Good management in whatever line of work should influence the 'workers' though. Without good management no enterprise will succeed. I think it was bad team management that with 20 minutes to go, 2-0 up and well in control that the decisions that were made led to an immediate capitulation. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion, but for me that is way too simplistic. It's not Fifa14 - CP can't control the players and they will make mistakes.
I don't even know what Fifa14 is so I'm not sure how that relates. To think that management doesn't have an influence on what is going on is way too simplistic as you put it. We were in a good position to win that game and, in my opinion, the bad management decisions, influence, whatever you want to call it, led to us throwing the game away. I think it is too simplistic to think that Management can't control what goes on on the field. I think good management does and should. Could you have seen Alex Ferguson allowing a capitulation like that for example? And there are many, many other examples.
I'm not trying to be negative here and I'm not trying to provoke an argument. I've supported CP right from the beginning but, in my opinion, today's capitulation was very ominous in the prowess of our management team and the influence they are having on the team and tactics at the moment.
Fine. I think you're wrong and you haven't said anything new with the second post, apart from that it wouldn't have happened with Ferguson in charge, which is not a great point as he was at a stable club with some of the best players in the world. That's why they didn't let two goal leads slip (apart from that time at The Valley).
Good management in whatever line of work should influence the 'workers' though. Without good management no enterprise will succeed. I think it was bad team management that with 20 minutes to go, 2-0 up and well in control that the decisions that were made led to an immediate capitulation. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.
You're entitled to your opinion, but for me that is way too simplistic. It's not Fifa14 - CP can't control the players and they will make mistakes.
I don't even know what Fifa14 is so I'm not sure how that relates. To think that management doesn't have an influence on what is going on is way too simplistic as you put it. We were in a good position to win that game and, in my opinion, the bad management decisions, influence, whatever you want to call it, led to us throwing the game away. I think it is too simplistic to think that Management can't control what goes on on the field. I think good management does and should. Could you have seen Alex Ferguson allowing a capitulation like that for example? And there are many, many other examples.
I'm not trying to be negative here and I'm not trying to provoke an argument. I've supported CP right from the beginning but, in my opinion, today's capitulation was very ominous in the prowess of our management team and the influence they are having on the team and tactics at the moment.
Fine. I think you're wrong and you haven't said anything new with the second post, apart from that it wouldn't have happened with Ferguson in charge, which is not a great point as he was at a stable club with some of the best players in the world. That's why they didn't let two goal leads slip (apart from that time at The Valley).
Look at Ferguson and Manchester United though. Now that Moyes is in charge with basically the same players he can't win if he tries. That shows the influence that Management can have on how a team performs. I'm not saying it's all Chris Powell's fault but what I am saying is that Management can and does have a big influence on what goes on on the field.
Listening to the game we sounded in control, I was worried when Cousins went off for Hughes (I presume injury related) as Hughes to me is no longer Championship standard and it meant we would be dropping back for the final 20/30 minutes. Gower or Pritchard to me would be more effective in that position imo. Then 5 mad minutes and we've chucked away 2 points.
I really fear we are going down this season without some drastic change in ownership to allow investment in the side. We have a great relegation record vs Blackpool and we have them on the final day
Couldn't go today but from what has been said & from what I have seen in recent weeks I do not believe Kermy deserves a place in the starting eleven at the moment.
He appears to be fat, unfit & not the same player he was last year and something is wrong somewhere imo.
I would rather go 5 in midfield against derby ( a draw would be a good result ). I know people criticise Church but he is full of energy/running and at present a better option upfront.
I had quite a good view of the red card and thought it was very harsh. Jackson was clearly being pulled back before lunging for the ball and the ref should have blown before a free kick to Charlton before the challenge was even made. After it was it looked like he mostly got the ball.
I agree with "ROB".Management does have an influence.With any other manager this group of players would be 10 points adrift at the bottom.Because SCP gets the absolute most out of them we have a chance of staying up.
Just seen goals and sending off on Sky. Didn't look a really bad tackle, but was two footed and you can see why he was sent off. You can't go in like that in today's game.
Individual errors have cost us. People need to understand that with a lower level champ squad that's gonna happen from time to time.
Comparing the situation with Sir Alex Ferguson is ridiculous!!!
Consistency is going to be a problem, both collectively, individually and with CP.
Expecting the players and staff to go out there and call every decision and choice they make right would be madness. Sometimes you get punished, sometimes you don't and get away with it. That's Championship football!!!
Just feel absolutely gutted we didn't hold on. We desperately needed that win.
I know its a bit woah me attitude, it just feels like this club smashed up a whole mirror shop and will forever pay the price with things going against us.
Gonna be a massive month this one. We desperately needed to bring in re-enforcements and didn't / couldn't.
After a result like this...and I mean losing a 2 goals lead with 20mins left to a bottom 3 side cannot be called a good result in my view... The season could go two ways:
1. Players use the easy excuse of contracts, uncertainty and being demoralised and hide meaning we disappear without sight/fight.
2. Powelly starts to build a seige mentality. I hate to say it, but like Warnock did at Palace the season they dropped into administration, did not pay players etc and yet still scrambled enough points to stay up.
I strongly believe we have the players here to do it and the right characters but they need to be firing on all cylinders and we need to be lucky with injuries.
Solly and Wood back are huge boosts, if we can find a way to get Sordell scoring that would see us move in the right direction.
Odd game. We were probably a bit too comfortable at 2-0 and had chances to really go for the throat. A mad couple of minutes following Cousins going off and then Jackson's red card but then pretty comfortable seeing the game out for a draw. Maybe in hindsight, Solly for Cousins might have been the better option, with Stephens moving to defensive midfield because Hughes looked so far off the pace. Oh well...at least we saw a couple of good goals and a pretty solid performance. Special mentions for Stewart who was excellent when he moved to the left and Wiggins, who looked a different class.
Chris, you're the one in control. At times he was all thumbs and you have to wonder, what's he doing all week at the training ground?
From the off he went with the default 11, rather than pausing the game to sort out the formation and work out the tactics. Rookie mistake, but can't fault his enthusiasm for the game. Sometimes I think he gets mesmerised by the opening vids and the commentators (so realistic this year!).
Good possession game to start, but not much penetration and little finesse until the first goal. Great reflexes from Powell, who was able to change players (crafty L1) and grab control of Cousins as the ball fell in his path. Think he may have meant to side foot it, but instead (thankfully) Circled + R1'd it into the roof of the net. Dexterity and quickness! Could have skied it, if he was back a bit further, but from 35 yards it came off.
Second goal gave us a cushion. Where would we be without JJ. We're going to find out, but he came through today. Sometimes it's hard to create space, even when holding the Sprint button, but he's a wily old veteran and pops up at the right time in the right place more often than not (I like to use him in in Be a Pro mode and pull the strings in midfield myself when I want to get a real feel for life as a pro. Takes me back to my glory days for Saltus Grammar). As the ball came in, Powell had JJ at the back post and was quick fingered enough to R1 the call for Church to dummy it before heading into the back of the net. Game on, we're going up the League!
Problem is Powell held on to the R2 buttons too long in the second half. The players were tired, sprinting aimlessly. Better command of the sprinting button would mean stronger legs when the ball is in and around the box, or there's a breakaway. If he can master this, I'm sure we'll begin to climb the table. Look no further than Yann and Church. Both knackered well before 70 mins. Additionally, there were a few instances where Powell had command of Church and cocked it up (Use the Finesse Shot: R1 + Circle, not the blasted Circle button on its own). No wonder he can't beat the keeper!
In the second half the pressure got to Powell. He had JJ going in for a hard challenge, but instead of calling for the second defender (Circle: hold), he went in for a slide tackle (X). You could see it's not what he meant, but was a case of his head thinking on thing and his thumbs doing something else! Didn't seem a bad tackle, but you just never know how the algorithm's going call it.
Nothing he could do about the deflection, that was harsh, but felt he held onto to the Triangle button too long with Alnwick, resulting in the charge that led to the penalty. Never seem him use it before, but he should know (at this level) that you can double tap the Triangle button to call the keeper back. Still, he's learning.
Other than that, there's some basics that he consistently fails to employ and it's really pressing my buttons:
Though ball: Fecking Triangle button! Find it and use it. Knock on: Right Analog stick. Duh! Initiate forward run: L1 (that decking easy).
Some of it is simply muscle memory and can be corrected in training. I'm more concerned about decision making and how that translates into poor hand-eye coordination.
TJ and Slater can't escape blame here either. What's the refresh rate on the tvs down at Sparrow's Lane? Anyone know? Probably 120MhZ, but on match day the League uses 240MhZ, which as we all know, could account for Powell's inability to react fast enough when it counts.
Lastly, I've seen some cheat codes around the web and wonder why we don't employ more of these. Same old Charlton, same old Charlton. We're too fecking nice!
PS: On the question of sitting back; in the first half Yeovil were happy for us to keep possession and knock the ball about without going anywhere. Our goals were from breaks when they'd been attacking us. In the second half, Yeovil chased the game and forced us back. We still broke away a few times and made a couple of chances but in general we were getting back into shape and shutting down their options. My biggest concern was that were too ponderous in attack in the 2nd half and tried to overdo things a bit. It came back to bite us when at 1-2 Kermorgant tried a lofted ball out to the wing to Stewart when a simple pass down the line into space was called for. Yeovil headed it clear, pushed forward and got the penalty.
I didn't go to the match, listened on cafcplayer, and thought I'd read the views of those who were there. All I can see is a pre-emptive attack on the "Haters".
They got a lucky deflection for the own goal Luck sometimes changes games! But we should have the nerve to hold on! Roll on the weekend Should be no problem with derby struggling to score!!!
We had Yeovil in our pocket for most of the game without playing fantastically.
A freaky OG completely rejuvenated Yeovil and the red, well from where I saw it, was a committed 50/50 that wrongly saw Jacko sent off. You could then tell they were going to equalise, its just what happens to you when your down the bottom.
You cannot tell me that CP would have wanted to stick with what we've got in respect of squad at this stage of the season but we are where we are. I looked at the bench and it was thin on quality or players that could make a real impact.
The first half was a dire affair. We looked short on confidence, players were nervous in possession but we still 'controlled' a poor Yeovil side. We sat back slightly in the second but again looked relatively comfortable.
Positives - Stewart was excellent first half but faded. Defence looked solid for 70 mins. Solly is back.
Fortunately, I still think there are three worse teams than us in this division and Yeovil did little to prove me wrong.
'Copied from players marks page - church 6 - Lots of the running as usual. What does Sordell have to do to get a chance?
Agree 100% with this comment - why sign someone (on loan) and never play or give them a chance? I know he had a few games earlier on but surely no worse than Church!
Powells substitutions and timing of them baffles me. We seem to have no tactics. The 11 that start and the 3 that come on shouldnt be the 14. Powell normally gets a lot of praise from me but got it wrong today. Anyway we go again next match.
The thing for me is we threw away 3 points there are many reasons for it
Powell the players the board etc
But you can not ever convince me that we don't need a bit of luck to turn
I care little for opinions of anyone other than if you were at the game today and I feel for those poor feckas
I hope the change for cousins was as suggested in commentary as injured
If not the blame lies solely at powells feet for today
But the pussy lilly livered bunch that pre game and during before we conceeded that were so scared its charlton supporting was never gonna be easy and never will
Ref was very weak and they spent most of the game looking for a penalty. No surprise when they got one, and not a total surprise with the red. Ref seems,d to delight in being obtuse. If JC wasn't injured it was a poor decision taking him off as he really kept us ticking.
Oh and Miller should hold his head in shame. Not that I am bitter or anything. When Yann got the ball to feet he did good things, they doubled up on him in the air though.
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I really fear we are going down this season without some drastic change in ownership to allow investment in the side. We have a great relegation record vs Blackpool and we have them on the final day
He appears to be fat, unfit & not the same player he was last year and something is wrong somewhere imo.
I would rather go 5 in midfield against derby ( a draw would be a good result ). I know people criticise Church but he is full of energy/running and at present a better option upfront.
Comparing the situation with Sir Alex Ferguson is ridiculous!!!
Consistency is going to be a problem, both collectively, individually and with CP.
Expecting the players and staff to go out there and call every decision and choice they make right would be madness. Sometimes you get punished, sometimes you don't and get away with it. That's Championship football!!!
I know its a bit woah me attitude, it just feels like this club smashed up a whole mirror shop and will forever pay the price with things going against us.
Gonna be a massive month this one. We desperately needed to bring in re-enforcements and didn't / couldn't.
Let's hope we don't pay the price for it.
Feel very down this evening
I feel great, wife's gone Christmas shopping to France and for the first time in months I don't have to watch Strictly come friggin' dancing!
Now that's a result!
After a result like this...and I mean losing a 2 goals lead with 20mins left to a bottom 3 side cannot be called a good result in my view... The season could go two ways:
1. Players use the easy excuse of contracts, uncertainty and being demoralised and hide meaning we disappear without sight/fight.
2. Powelly starts to build a seige mentality. I hate to say it, but like Warnock did at Palace the season they dropped into administration, did not pay players etc and yet still scrambled enough points to stay up.
I strongly believe we have the players here to do it and the right characters but they need to be firing on all cylinders and we need to be lucky with injuries.
Solly and Wood back are huge boosts, if we can find a way to get Sordell scoring that would see us move in the right direction.
Powell's not perfect and he got it wrong today.
Chris, you're the one in control. At times he was all thumbs and you have to wonder, what's he doing all week at the training ground?
From the off he went with the default 11, rather than pausing the game to sort out the formation and work out the tactics. Rookie mistake, but can't fault his enthusiasm for the game. Sometimes I think he gets mesmerised by the opening vids and the commentators (so realistic this year!).
Good possession game to start, but not much penetration and little finesse until the first goal. Great reflexes from Powell, who was able to change players (crafty L1) and grab control of Cousins as the ball fell in his path. Think he may have meant to side foot it, but instead (thankfully) Circled + R1'd it into the roof of the net. Dexterity and quickness! Could have skied it, if he was back a bit further, but from 35 yards it came off.
Second goal gave us a cushion. Where would we be without JJ. We're going to find out, but he came through today. Sometimes it's hard to create space, even when holding the Sprint button, but he's a wily old veteran and pops up at the right time in the right place more often than not (I like to use him in in Be a Pro mode and pull the strings in midfield myself when I want to get a real feel for life as a pro. Takes me back to my glory days for Saltus Grammar). As the ball came in, Powell had JJ at the back post and was quick fingered enough to R1 the call for Church to dummy it before heading into the back of the net. Game on, we're going up the League!
Problem is Powell held on to the R2 buttons too long in the second half. The players were tired, sprinting aimlessly. Better command of the sprinting button would mean stronger legs when the ball is in and around the box, or there's a breakaway. If he can master this, I'm sure we'll begin to climb the table. Look no further than Yann and Church. Both knackered well before 70 mins. Additionally, there were a few instances where Powell had command of Church and cocked it up (Use the Finesse Shot: R1 + Circle, not the blasted Circle button on its own). No wonder he can't beat the keeper!
In the second half the pressure got to Powell. He had JJ going in for a hard challenge, but instead of calling for the second defender (Circle: hold), he went in for a slide tackle (X). You could see it's not what he meant, but was a case of his head thinking on thing and his thumbs doing something else! Didn't seem a bad tackle, but you just never know how the algorithm's going call it.
Nothing he could do about the deflection, that was harsh, but felt he held onto to the Triangle button too long with Alnwick, resulting in the charge that led to the penalty. Never seem him use it before, but he should know (at this level) that you can double tap the Triangle button to call the keeper back. Still, he's learning.
Other than that, there's some basics that he consistently fails to employ and it's really pressing my buttons:
Though ball: Fecking Triangle button! Find it and use it. Knock on: Right Analog stick. Duh! Initiate forward run: L1 (that decking easy).
Some of it is simply muscle memory and can be corrected in training. I'm more concerned about decision making and how that translates into poor hand-eye coordination.
TJ and Slater can't escape blame here either. What's the refresh rate on the tvs down at Sparrow's Lane? Anyone know? Probably 120MhZ, but on match day the League uses 240MhZ, which as we all know, could account for Powell's inability to react fast enough when it counts.
Lastly, I've seen some cheat codes around the web and wonder why we don't employ more of these. Same old Charlton, same old Charlton. We're too fecking nice!
powell post match
Luck sometimes changes games!
But we should have the nerve to hold on!
Roll on the weekend
Should be no problem with derby struggling to score!!!
We had Yeovil in our pocket for most of the game without playing fantastically.
A freaky OG completely rejuvenated Yeovil and the red, well from where I saw it, was a committed 50/50 that wrongly saw Jacko sent off. You could then tell they were going to equalise, its just what happens to you when your down the bottom.
You cannot tell me that CP would have wanted to stick with what we've got in respect of squad at this stage of the season but we are where we are. I looked at the bench and it was thin on quality or players that could make a real impact.
The first half was a dire affair. We looked short on confidence, players were nervous in possession but we still 'controlled' a poor Yeovil side. We sat back slightly in the second but again looked relatively comfortable.
Positives - Stewart was excellent first half but faded. Defence looked solid for 70 mins. Solly is back.
Fortunately, I still think there are three worse teams than us in this division and Yeovil did little to prove me wrong.
Agree 100% with this comment - why sign someone (on loan) and never play or give them a chance?
I know he had a few games earlier on but surely no worse than Church!
Powell the players the board etc
But you can not ever convince me that we don't need a bit of luck to turn
I care little for opinions of anyone other than if you were at the game today and I feel for those poor feckas
I hope the change for cousins was as suggested in commentary as injured
If not the blame lies solely at powells feet for today
But the pussy lilly livered bunch that pre game and during before we conceeded that were so scared its charlton supporting was never gonna be easy and never will
If JC wasn't injured it was a poor decision taking him off as he really kept us ticking.
Oh and Miller should hold his head in shame. Not that I am bitter or anything. When Yann got the ball to feet he did good things, they doubled up on him in the air though.