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  • By the way guys it was Hughes who gave away the penalty.
  • Good management in whatever line of work should influence the 'workers' though. Without good management no enterprise will succeed. I think it was bad team management that with 20 minutes to go, 2-0 up and well in control that the decisions that were made led to an immediate capitulation. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.
  • masicat said:

    Kap10 said:

    Still better than a defeat, a point is a point, not as good as three but better than none. No Jackson next week and presumably for two more after that.

    Good.

    Especially if Cousins injury keeps him out for a few or even one game
  • If Yeovil finish 4th bottom their manager would be a hero. Peoples expectations are far too high for Charlton and Powell.
  • Anyone who was there, was it a red or should we appeal.

    Whether it was a red or wasn't we are Charlton so it will be deemed a frivolous appeal in any event.

    Two words: Osei Sankofa. (? spelling).
  • Disappointing just doesn't cover it... time to get behind Powell and the boys though, sounds patronizing but it's true.
  • edited December 2013
    Wasn't there and so prepared to believe that it was a good away point and Yeovil battled equally hard and fully deserved to come back and get something out of the game.

    But when you are 2-0 with 20 mins to go in a six pointer against one of only three clubs below us, then any supporter who feels like we dropped two points and is feeling bitterly disappointed tonight surely has the right to do so.

    Genine question to those who were there: was the first substitution significant or was it purely coincidental that within seven mins of Cousins going off, we conceded two goals? And was the substiution enforced or tactical?
  • The way Yann has been playing, he made need a game off to regain fitness/desire.
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  • Solidgone said:

    Commentator quotes "Charlton's defence is solid", "Yeovil have not scored more than one goal in a game this season" "Charlton's 3 points". Anybody else thought immediately the mockers were well and truly set in place.........and then ensued those crazy 6 minute. Enuff said.

    In fairness, they only scored once, with Morro on the end of the other!

  • The whole uncertainity at the club is clear to see now. Nearly all the first team manager coaches ect have no idea if they will be here come june were playing like strangers some like yann seem to have given up totally. You would hope as profesionals they would rise above this but its clear we are on our knees now. If i was waiting to know if i had a job or not it would mess me up there human at the end of the day. Somthing has to happen soon either sign them up or let them know there being realesed. Otherwise will be down by march.

    Well said that man.

    We got a point at a team who scored 3 past Watford and beat Blackpool without conceding either time.
    We scored, what sounded like, 2 good goals in open play.
    We didn't lose.
    Solly returned.

    Would have been nice to get all three points, when wouldn't it, but thats the way it goes: At least we didn't lose after going down to 10 men.

  • All I can say re sending off was 50/50 ball before jackos challenge it broke free and another 50/50 ball , Jacko won it strong but fair, but it dont matter it was 2-2 then, Cousins goin off was the difference, as I said id injured fair enough, have a niggling feeling it was game won, sit back and replace with Hughes.
  • The way Yann has been playing, he made need a game off to regain fitness/desire.

    If only we could afford it, Church and Piggott / Sordell won't work, got to grin and bare (bear?) it till he breaks down injured.
  • Congrats to JJ on getting Christmas at home with the family. (Called doing a Danny Mills in the trade).
  • now the good news ..... Solly's back !!!!!
  • Gutted. Didn't see us losing. Usually scoring before half time deflates a team. Thought we'd go on to win 3-0 on the counter.

    I know everyone entitled to their opinions, but...

    I still haven't seen ONE name who the CP out brigade would like in charge, if we were to sack CP....
  • JordanCousins ‏@jordancousins94 5m
    Gutted we didn't get the 3 points, 1 points better then none I guess, away support was superb
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  • Uboat said:

    Rob said:

    Good management in whatever line of work should influence the 'workers' though. Without good management no enterprise will succeed. I think it was bad team management that with 20 minutes to go, 2-0 up and well in control that the decisions that were made led to an immediate capitulation. I'm sorry but that's my opinion.

    You're entitled to your opinion, but for me that is way too simplistic. It's not Fifa14 - CP can't control the players and they will make mistakes.
    I don't even know what Fifa14 is so I'm not sure how that relates. To think that management doesn't have an influence on what is going on is way too simplistic as you put it. We were in a good position to win that game and, in my opinion, the bad management decisions, influence, whatever you want to call it, led to us throwing the game away. I think it is too simplistic to think that Management can't control what goes on on the field. I think good management does and should. Could you have seen Alex Ferguson allowing a capitulation like that for example? And there are many, many other examples.

    I'm not trying to be negative here and I'm not trying to provoke an argument. I've supported CP right from the beginning but, in my opinion, today's capitulation was very ominous in the prowess of our management team and the influence they are having on the team and tactics at the moment.
  • edited December 2013
    http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20131207-report-yeovil-town-x-charlton-x-1220812.aspx

    Report: Yeovil Town 2 Charlton 2


    Read a full report from Charlton's 2-2 draw with Yeovil on Saturday afternoon
    Olly Groome reports from Huish Park


    Four manic, second-half minutes saw Charlton surrender a two goal advantage as they drew with Yeovil Town at Huish Park.

    Chris Powell's side were cruising at 2-0 before an own goal, a penalty and a red card saw the Addicks throw away their hopes of returning to London with three points having been forced to settle for 2-2 and a share of the spoils.

    Before kick-off Chris Powell made one change to the starting XI which lost at Reading in midweek. Skipper Johnnie Jackson returned to the fold in place of Cedric Evina who dropped to the bench.

    But the big news was on the bench.

    There was an early Christmas present for Charlton fans in the form of Chris Solly who was named amongst the seven in reserve.

    The reigning Player of the Year was back in a matchday squad for the first time since the 2-2 draw with Barnsley in August after regaining fitness following a troublesome knee injury.

    And his inclusion on the bench would give the Addicks' travelling faithful a huge lift pre-match as word of his involvement spread.

    Charlton started the game on the front foot, winning a corner as early as 90 seconds into proceedings.

    Dale Stephens stood up to deliver the first set-piece of the afternoon and his stinging ball in was nicked off the head of Lawrie Wilson at the near post.

    The opening exchanges to'd and fro'd with both sides exchanging possession through misplaced passes and clumsily conceded free-kicks.

    And it was 14 minutes before either side had a shot in anger.

    Yeovil's John Lundstram, on loan from Everton, fired in an effort from 30 yards which dipped just over the bar leaving the Charlton fans sat just behind it with their hearts in their mouths.

    And two minutes later, the Glovers had Ben Alnwick worried again, and it was another loanee who threatened.

    Ishmael Miller, leant to Yeovil by Nottingham Forest, stole into the box from the left but his low effort was relatively tame, allowing the Addicks' stopper to collect safely.

    It was a good spell for the home side who were growing in confidence while the visitors struggled to make an impact at the other end.

    Indeed, when a hint of an opening did come, a poor refereeing decision stood in the way.

    With Powell's men spreading the play wide, Jackson was fouled in the centre of the park having played the ball to the advancing Cameron Stewart on the left flank.

    But as Stewart collected with space in front of him, Mr Pawson pulled play back to award the free-kick when Charlton would have profited far more from the advantage.

    And the referee continued to cause controversy throughout the half, missing obvious fouls and awarding free-kicks for, on occasions, seemingly nothing much to the derision of both sets of players and supporters alike.

    Although Yeovil's half-chances were coming from range, they were, for a stage, looking the more likely.

    A pair of efforts from Liam Davis saw the ball fly straight at Alnwick, and then over the bar as the Glover's shots tally increased.

    But just before the half-hour there was a far more impressive pot-shot at the other end.

    Stewart, who has scored his fair share of screamers this term, cut in from the left before unleashing a curling effort which looked to be heading for the top right-hand corner but for a fine save from Glovers' custodian Christopher Dunn.

    It would be a dress-rehearsal for Stewart who, with 37 minutes on the clock, gave the visitors the lead with a vicious shot from just outside the box.

    The Addicks broke swiftly away from Yeovil's attack, with the Hull City loanee taking the ball over the half-way line.

    Charlton attacked three-on-three but Stewart, with Simon Church and Kermorgant for company, decided to go alone, confidently rifling into the bottom right-hand corner of Dunn's net.

    Powell's men had come alive, and with that goal, so did Stewart.

    The winger had all of a sudden become integral to his side's first-half efforts, as proven by what happened next as they doubled the lead.

    Stewart stormed down the left-wing yet again, leaving Glovers' full-back Luke Ayling for dead as he approached the byline, delivering an inch perfect cross to the back post.

    And Charlton were spoilt for choice. With both Church and Jackson lurking unmarked, the captain made the call, shouting for Church to duck allowing him to head home the finish make it 2-0 to the south-Londoners.

    The Addicks went into the break with the knowledge that in each of the five games that they have taken the lead this season they have never lost, winning four and drawing once.

    Red fingers were crossed with hope that it would prove to be a good omen in Somerset.

    Gary Johnson rang the changes at half-time with a double substitution in an attempt to get at Charlton's throats early.

    But the first sign of danger did not come until the 54th minute when Joseph Edward's stinging volley only just cleared the bar.

    And shortly after, the home side had a decent shout for a penalty when substitute James Hayter apperaed to have been brought down by Dorian Dervite. But Mr Pawson again upset the home crowd by waving the appeals away.

    Whilst the Glovers chased the referee, Charlton chased down the other end, immediately coming close to adding a third.

    Dale Stephens found himself in possession near the angle of the six-yard box and as he cut his ball back for Jackson Charlton could have had a penalty of their own.

    It looked as if the skipper's shot had come back of a Yeovil hand, albeit from close range, as the home side cleared away the danger.

    Or so the Glovers thought.
  • Davo55 said:

    Ok, let’s try to keep the addick vs addick sniping in check guys. All views are valid and I haven’t yet seem any “Powell out” or “Powell walks on water” stuff anyway, so why the (anticipated) hysteria?

    I can’t say I was too impressed with the team selection. It certainly looked like a more or less unchanged team, playing the same old tactics, which have got us very close to the relegation zone. Having said that, they seemed to be playing well and to gain a 2-0 lead against the team that just beat both Watford and Blackpool is pretty impressive.

    As always though, any addicks fan can never feel confident about the outcome of a match unless we are 3 or 4 goals to the good. And that anxiety was all too justified as an own goal and a penalty quickly eradicated al the good work.

    It seems clear that CP had to sub Cousins due to injury and I defy anyone to say that they thought, at the time, that Hughes was a bad call. With 20 minutes to go, it was exactly the right thing to do.

    Where I do have a problem though, is the settling for a point at that stage. Yes, a loss would have been disastrous but so is just a single point. Yeovil are bottom 3 and after a rampant Derby visit next week, we are very likely to be joining them there, perhaps for quite a while. Taking off Church for Solly and leaving a clearly out of sorts Yann up front on his own was really throwing in the towel. Yeovil were always going to go for it big time and why not bring on Sordell to try to get the breakaway win we so badly needed?

    I loved CP as a player and hugely respect him as a man. I also think that, in time, he could be a very good manager. But we can’t be in or around the relegation zone, playing hoofball and throwing points away and say all is well. CP, and his assistant and coaching staff need to take a long hard look at themselves and how they are setting the team up, and look for ways to win games. If they don’t and we can’t, relegation is looking much more likely than Slater’s somewhat optimistic lower mid-table prediction.

    I don’t under-estimate the negative impact the takeover talk (or lack of actual movement) will be having on the players and staff, and nor do I under-estimate the negative impact of the uncertain contractual situation. But these cannot be used as excuses all the time. These guys have to find a way to rise above it all.

    I think they are rising above it all. Otherwise we would be bottom. Lets not forget injuries to Solly, Cort, Jackson, Kemorgant and Wood. This has had an impact. This point, rather than being 'disastrous' could be very important. Of course we are frustrated at throwing away the lead but Id be even more annoyed at trying to get a win with ten men and ending up defeated.
  • Davo55 said:

    Ok, let’s try to keep the addick vs addick sniping in check guys. All views are valid and I haven’t yet seem any “Powell out” or “Powell walks on water” stuff anyway, so why the (anticipated) hysteria?

    I can’t say I was too impressed with the team selection. It certainly looked like a more or less unchanged team, playing the same old tactics, which have got us very close to the relegation zone. Having said that, they seemed to be playing well and to gain a 2-0 lead against the team that just beat both Watford and Blackpool is pretty impressive.

    As always though, any addicks fan can never feel confident about the outcome of a match unless we are 3 or 4 goals to the good. And that anxiety was all too justified as an own goal and a penalty quickly eradicated al the good work.

    It seems clear that CP had to sub Cousins due to injury and I defy anyone to say that they thought, at the time, that Hughes was a bad call. With 20 minutes to go, it was exactly the right thing to do.

    Where I do have a problem though, is the settling for a point at that stage. Yes, a loss would have been disastrous but so is just a single point. Yeovil are bottom 3 and after a rampant Derby visit next week, we are very likely to be joining them there, perhaps for quite a while. Taking off Church for Solly and leaving a clearly out of sorts Yann up front on his own was really throwing in the towel. Yeovil were always going to go for it big time and why not bring on Sordell to try to get the breakaway win we so badly needed?

    I loved CP as a player and hugely respect him as a man. I also think that, in time, he could be a very good manager. But we can’t be in or around the relegation zone, playing hoofball and throwing points away and say all is well. CP, and his assistant and coaching staff need to take a long hard look at themselves and how they are setting the team up, and look for ways to win games. If they don’t and we can’t, relegation is looking much more likely than Slater’s somewhat optimistic lower mid-table prediction.

    I don’t under-estimate the negative impact the takeover talk (or lack of actual movement) will be having on the players and staff, and nor do I under-estimate the negative impact of the uncertain contractual situation. But these cannot be used as excuses all the time. These guys have to find a way to rise above it all.

    I think they are rising above it all. Otherwise we would be bottom. Lets not forget injuries to Solly, Cort, Jackson, Kemorgant and Wood. This has had an impact. This point, rather than being 'disastrous' could be very important. Of course we are frustrated at throwing away the lead but Id be even more annoyed at trying to get a win with ten men and ending up defeated.
  • Davo55 said:

    Ok, let’s try to keep the addick vs addick sniping in check guys. All views are valid and I haven’t yet seem any “Powell out” or “Powell walks on water” stuff anyway, so why the (anticipated) hysteria?

    I can’t say I was too impressed with the team selection. It certainly looked like a more or less unchanged team, playing the same old tactics, which have got us very close to the relegation zone. Having said that, they seemed to be playing well and to gain a 2-0 lead against the team that just beat both Watford and Blackpool is pretty impressive.

    As always though, any addicks fan can never feel confident about the outcome of a match unless we are 3 or 4 goals to the good. And that anxiety was all too justified as an own goal and a penalty quickly eradicated al the good work.

    It seems clear that CP had to sub Cousins due to injury and I defy anyone to say that they thought, at the time, that Hughes was a bad call. With 20 minutes to go, it was exactly the right thing to do.

    Where I do have a problem though, is the settling for a point at that stage. Yes, a loss would have been disastrous but so is just a single point. Yeovil are bottom 3 and after a rampant Derby visit next week, we are very likely to be joining them there, perhaps for quite a while. Taking off Church for Solly and leaving a clearly out of sorts Yann up front on his own was really throwing in the towel. Yeovil were always going to go for it big time and why not bring on Sordell to try to get the breakaway win we so badly needed?

    I loved CP as a player and hugely respect him as a man. I also think that, in time, he could be a very good manager. But we can’t be in or around the relegation zone, playing hoofball and throwing points away and say all is well. CP, and his assistant and coaching staff need to take a long hard look at themselves and how they are setting the team up, and look for ways to win games. If they don’t and we can’t, relegation is looking much more likely than Slater’s somewhat optimistic lower mid-table prediction.

    I don’t under-estimate the negative impact the takeover talk (or lack of actual movement) will be having on the players and staff, and nor do I under-estimate the negative impact of the uncertain contractual situation. But these cannot be used as excuses all the time. These guys have to find a way to rise above it all.

    I think they are rising above it all. Otherwise we would be bottom. Lets not forget injuries to Solly, Cort, Jackson, Kemorgant and Wood. This has had an impact. This point, rather than being 'disastrous' could be very important. Of course we are frustrated at throwing away the lead but Id be even more annoyed at trying to get a win with ten men and ending up defeated.
    Single points against the weaker sides won't keep us up though, SJH. Surely we have to start getting more wins.
  • I think there are a number of problems at our club at the moment and Chris Powell comes pretty far down that list. Sack him and whoever comes in will still have to deal with everything else on that list, they'll just have less experience of doing so.
  • Or so the Glovers thought.

    With the clearance falling to Jordan Cousins, the academy graduate powered in a fierce drive from all of 35 yards which narrowly cleared the right-hand upright.

    On 64 minutes, the Addicks threatened once more when Church's impressive overhead kick forced Dunn into a low, diving save to his right.

    Charlton looked comfortable, but after 72 minutes, things would change.

    With the home side advancing down the left, an awkward ball in deflected off the arm of Michael Morrison and into Alnwick's goal.

    There was nothing either player could have done, but the Addicks were now under severe pressure.

    And that pressure would take just two minutes to give way when Yeovil then won a penalty, and a chance to equalise.

    Miller was the man who won the spot-kick after being man-handled by sub Andy Hughes, and the striker stepped up himself to power in the penalty to level matters at 2-2.

    If things had simply gone from bad to worse in a very short period of time, the match's next flashpoint would be best described as a complete implosion.

    With a loose ball becoming available in Yeovil's defensive half, Jackson and Ayling competed to get there first. But as the Addick's skipper slid in, he caught the Glovers ' full-back. With the referee deeming the challenge a dangerous one, he brandished the red card.

    Charlton were shell-shocked. They had gone from the comfortable position of a two-goal lead, to surrendering that lead, and a player, in just five short minutes.

    With that, Yeovil smelled blood.

    Hayter should have done better when clean through, instead hitting his tame effort straight at Alnwick before Miller saw a left-footed effort from the edge of the box roll agonisingly wide.

    Solly made his long-awaited return with eight minutes remaining joined by Richard Wood from the bench as injury-time loomed.

    All of a sudden, Charlton were protecting the draw and the single point, with ten men, suddenly became precious.

    The clock ticked down without further incident, and with the final whistle bringing an end to a crazy game in the south-west , Charlton would leave with an overbearing sense of disappointment.

    In truth, it was a potentially excellent away victory snatched away via their very own undoing.

    Charlton: Alnwick, Wilson, Wiggins, Dervite, Morrison; Stewart, Jackson, Cousins (Hughes 69), Stephens; Kermorgant, Church.

    Subs (not used): Pope, Evina, Solly, Green, Wood, Sordell.

    Booked: Wilson 17 (foul on Grant), Kermorgant 71 (clash of heads with McAllister), Alnwick 75 (dissent).

    Sent off: Jackson 78 (foul on Ayling).

    Goals: Stewart 37, Jackson 45.

    Yeovil Town: Dunn; Ayling, Duffy, Webster, Davis (McAllister 59); Edwards, Upson, Lundstram (Dawson 45), Grant; Miller, Morgan (Hayter 45).

    Subs (not used): Stewart, Foley, Ralls, Hoskins.

    Booked: Duffy 6 (foul on Kermorgant), Webster 60 (foul on Church), Ayling 69 (foul on Jackson).

    Goals: Morrison 72 (og), Miller 76 (pen).

    Att: 6,053 (836 from Charlton)

    Referee: Mr C Pawson

    Read more at http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/20131207-report-yeovil-town-x-charlton-x-1220812.aspx#8ucmE16CqOE2ju5A.99
  • Just about to get on train home 12 bottles stronger
  • Stuck in traffic vetting away from the match.
    The view wasn't the best so can comment better on defence in first half and attack in second.
    Couldn't see a lot at all at other end she to poor light.
    Alnwick looked commanding and used the ball well. Morrison had a good first half. We passed the ball on the ground well but should have had more penetration of their box. Of course when we did, Stewart was superb for his never ending run and goal. Jackson posted an important part in our good play in the centre of midfield.
    I didn't think yank or church were effective enough. Church had a good attempt well saved and cousins went very close with a second half shot but failed to shine for me.
    the ref was getting card happy and it seemed odds on that someone would get an early bath. From what I could see it was never a red.

    As for the into Powell brigade, take a deep breath and think about what you are asking for and what can be done by anyone else.
  • Very disappointing after being two up and comfortable. I respectfully disagree with anybody who thinks we should have gone for it when down to ten men with Yeovil on the front foot. A point keeps us above Yeovil, so not a disaster in the scheme of things.
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