For once the usual know-alls have not claimed that they knew about the five year plan all along. If the big beasts of CL didn't know about it, clearly it cannot exist.
"LoOkOuT" objected:
What's happened to you recently? You've been consumed by a massive chip on your shoulder!
Nah, Not even niggled by a little chip, let alone "consumed" by a "massive" one, "LoOkOuT". But hey, we live in an age when the digital blogosphere demands ludicrously OTT hyperbole, and so even the most throwaway, minor tongue-in-cheek jibe has to be described as an enormodome "massive chip".
So "what's happened...recently'' to cause such an elephantine "chip" ? Calm down. Simple embarrasment at all that ghastly self-absorbed stuff from people polishing their egos and whose posts are more about their own amour propre than about CAFC.
Slater's an empty suit to use the parlance Josh Harris would understand. Sounds to me like he's trying to play things down because someone's bad poker play has worsened their position. The Spanish police sussed him out quick enough.
I don't understand how any football club has a 5 year plan - an overall strategy yes - but a plan. What is the plan for this year - to finish 4th from bottom?
I don't understand how any football club has a 5 year plan - an overall strategy yes - but a plan. What is the plan for this year - to finish 4th from bottom?
LOL, but my point is, what if we got relegated- is that part of the 5 year plan. Did the plan involve backing Powell with money for Fuller last season and not this? There are all sorts of developments that make a 5 year plan impossible!
Looking at the signings plus Slater's mid table finish joke, they are preparing for L1, but it would be daft to think that even if there had been a 5 year plan/strategy that it had a) football as its main priority b) that they give a shit about CAFC. They need to sell and that is the only plan but buyers don't seem to agree with their rosy views of our future at the Peninsula or our current price tag. if the future was so rosy, why would Cash have pulled the plug.
I don't (and don't want) to understand all the petty personal disagreements voiced on this thread, but I would like to better understand the context of this comment by Slater.
Surely, if he answered a question by referring to a 5 year plan (presumably it was the original one of making the Premiership within 5 years of the original takeover), the next question would have been 'what are the elements of this plan, and how on earth can you claim that it is still on track?' I can't imagine any supporter just sitting there mutely and letting that opportunity pass them by! So what was the next question.....?
I don't understand how any football club has a 5 year plan - an overall strategy yes - but a plan. What is the plan for this year - to finish 4th from bottom?
No, I'm sure it is to increase tractor production by 50% and plough up what's left of the pitch, using it to grow potatoes for vodka.
I don't (and don't want) to understand all the petty personal disagreements voiced on this thread, but I would like to better understand the context of this comment by Slater.
Surely, if he answered a question by referring to a 5 year plan (presumably it was the original one of making the Premiership within 5 years of the original takeover), the next question would have been 'what are the elements of this plan, and how on earth can you claim that it is still on track?' I can't imagine any supporter just sitting there mutely and letting that opportunity pass them by! So what was the next question.....?
I wasn't there and, unusually, there has been no report back so it seems unknown if a follow up question was asked. But Henry still has it on his list.
I think it's incredible that a statement as big as the one reported still hasn't been backed up or expanded on with any further details from anyone there or anyone else from the Trust 24 hours later.
If I was cynical I would start to think it was a controlled message planted by the club using the Trust as a mouthpiece just like individuals used the SLP a couple of weeks back...
I am with a lot of comments on the thread that express sceptism about the 5 year plan. If there is a 5 five year plan, then it is helpful to let people know about it. What the feck is it and where are we on that plan ? I am presuming that there is nothing on that from MS answers at the meeting or Bernie R would have reported on that.
I understand that MS is transferring a lot of money into the club, that is great but it is difficult to trust any talk of a 5 year plan when investment in the playing staff seems threadbare.
MS could tell us that there is no imminent take over one day and next week we are sold. I have read that MS has also said that because of takeovers there is no long term budget. I remember reading the club is not being put up for sale in the program whilst the Voice of the Valley showed that there was a brochure doing the rounds in the city that showed the club was being put up for sale for a speculative forty million.
Maybe there is a rough 5 year plan that they are working too, that is a rough plan whilst they work until they sell the club. With all the double talk, it is impossible to tell what is true or not and this makes it difficult to trust what MS is said or take anything at face value.
Wouldn't it be so much simpler if the board spoke to the fans on occasion. When we were in League 1 there was clear direction: get promoted; consolidate in the Championship; have a crack at the play-offs. Whatever plan there was has been re-written and is not being shared with the fans. Ideally the Trust can encourage the board to share the headlines and there are a number of reasons as to why this makes sense
I think it's incredible that a statement as big as the one reported still hasn't been backed up or expanded on with any further details from anyone there or anyone else from the Trust 24 hours later.
If I was cynical I would start to think it was a controlled message planted by the club using the Trust as a mouthpiece just like individuals used the SLP a couple of weeks back...
Maybe there was no expansion on that statement. Barnie reported it as it was an interesting statement. The fact that MS says that there is no imminent take over and talked about a 5 year plan without necessarily expanding on it or Charlton fans not knowing what that it is tells us a lot about MS and how he communicates with the supporters.
A lot of that maybe linked to commercial confidentiality but it does lead me to take nearly all of what MS says with a huge pinch of salt. In this instance as it is not his or the Trusts fault that MS chooses to communicate in this way - it is MS.
Personally, I wish they had put out a more reasonable price for the club some time ago and maybe the deal would have been completed by now (not running the risk of relegating the club or pushing things to the wire). Charlton fans should not fight amongst ourselves because of problems at the club or frustration with how the club is being run or that the takeover hasn't happened yet.
A) was this comment made to an assembled gathering or to one person in a private conversation if it was to all and sundry was it in response to a question and if so what was the question C) if it was in answer to a question then what other questions were asked
My guess is that it was in a one to one conversation, with a trust member, and the trust have been used as were the SLP.
I think it is overstating it to say that the Trust was being used as a mouth piece for Slater, what is MS saying in any case ? The Trust is definitely not a mouthpiece for the club or is trying to undermine the owners. Love em or loathe them, they are still keeping the club afloat. Circumstances of the report may be helpful.
The Trust reported the comments from MS - if MS feels that he can say that there is a 5 year plan - but doesn't clearly state or remind us what there is - whats the use of that ? I am sure that we can all pick that fact to pieces as everyone has done on this thread.
That's the next question for him what is this plan ? By the time he gets to answer the circumstances of the owners of the club may have changed in any case.
I am not sure what the importance of it all is in any case, as with all MS statements, it doesn't reveal the whole story, for whatever reason and it all has to be taken with a big pile of salt.
A) was this comment made to an assembled gathering or to one person in a private conversation if it was to all and sundry was it in response to a question and if so what was the question C) if it was in answer to a question then what other questions were asked
My guess is that it was in a one to one conversation, with a trust member, and the trust have been used as were the SLP.
would like to know the same ...this is all very vague
It is all vague with the high likelihood that whatever the circumstances MS made the comments in, is that MS was being vague. Nearly all MS says is vague. I am not quite what the story is. MS always comes out with a big pile of guarded, opaque lawyer speak that sounds big but there is little specific detail. That's been the case since day one.
Circumstances are great and all and give additional background is helpful and all but it is not going to remove the fact that MS makes vague statements that don't tell the whole of the story.
MS says there is a 5 year plan but we don't know what that is, isn't that what's important here ? Infinitesimal detail about background and all - There is no conspiracy or secrets to find here. This piece of news and delivery is in danger of being over dissected. Just my opinion and all.
If Slater told me my age I'd check my birth certificate.
He may say there's a 5 year plan, and there may well have been. The only assumption can be the plan consisted of solidifying, growth and progression because anything else simply doesn't make sense. But saying it's still on course, whatever it is, is clearly rubbish as everyone can see that the squad has not been improved. At best it's stood still (which in reality is going bakwards). But I'd argue the quality and strength has been actively reduced.
What I'm confused about is that apparently this was a supporter's group meeting with a Q&A - but nothing else has been reported from it, not a peep. He must have said more than the one sentence on the trust website... So why is no-one expanding on it?
Something doesn't smell right (a criticism of Slater not the trust!!)
All very odd. Every supporters club meeting gets a write up of sorts on here, yet despite how many members are on this site not a single person went to the meeting or can report on it -meanwhile the trust get an "exclusive" single line comment from the night.
What I'm confused about is that apparently this was a supporter's group meeting with a Q&A - but nothing else has been reported from it, not a peep. He must have said more than the one sentence on the trust website... So why is no-one expanding on it?
Something doesn't smell right (a criticism of Slater not the trust!!)
All very odd. Every supporters club meeting gets a write up of sorts on here, yet despite how many members are on this site not a single person went to the meeting or can report on it -meanwhile the trust get an "exclusive" single line comment from the night.
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Put some meat on the bone @razil ffs!
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North Kent Addicks, eh ?
News to me.
So "what's happened...recently'' to cause such an elephantine "chip" ? Calm down. Simple embarrasment at all that ghastly self-absorbed stuff from people polishing their egos and whose posts are more about their own amour propre than about CAFC.
Amusing piece here about 2013 being "the year in which internet bragging took over the web" : http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/dec/06/selfies-status-updates-digital-bragging-web
Surely, if he answered a question by referring to a 5 year plan (presumably it was the original one of making the Premiership within 5 years of the original takeover), the next question would have been 'what are the elements of this plan, and how on earth can you claim that it is still on track?' I can't imagine any supporter just sitting there mutely and letting that opportunity pass them by! So what was the next question.....?
If I was cynical I would start to think it was a controlled message planted by the club using the Trust as a mouthpiece just like individuals used the SLP a couple of weeks back...
I understand that MS is transferring a lot of money into the club, that is great but it is difficult to trust any talk of a 5 year plan when investment in the playing staff seems threadbare.
MS could tell us that there is no imminent take over one day and next week we are sold. I have read that MS has also said that because of takeovers there is no long term budget. I remember reading the club is not being put up for sale in the program whilst the Voice of the Valley showed that there was a brochure doing the rounds in the city that showed the club was being put up for sale for a speculative forty million.
Maybe there is a rough 5 year plan that they are working too, that is a rough plan whilst they work until they sell the club. With all the double talk, it is impossible to tell what is true or not and this makes it difficult to trust what MS is said or take anything at face value.
Whatever plan there was has been re-written and is not being shared with the fans. Ideally the Trust can encourage the board to share the headlines and there are a number of reasons as to why this makes sense
A lot of that maybe linked to commercial confidentiality but it does lead me to take nearly all of what MS says with a huge pinch of salt. In this instance as it is not his or the Trusts fault that MS chooses to communicate in this way - it is MS.
Personally, I wish they had put out a more reasonable price for the club some time ago and maybe the deal would have been completed by now (not running the risk of relegating the club or pushing things to the wire). Charlton fans should not fight amongst ourselves because of problems at the club or frustration with how the club is being run or that the takeover hasn't happened yet.
A) was this comment made to an assembled gathering or to one person in a private conversation
C) if it was in answer to a question then what other questions were asked
My guess is that it was in a one to one conversation, with a trust member, and the trust have been used as were the SLP.
The Trust reported the comments from MS - if MS feels that he can say that there is a 5 year plan - but doesn't clearly state or remind us what there is - whats the use of that ? I am sure that we can all pick that fact to pieces as everyone has done on this thread.
That's the next question for him what is this plan ? By the time he gets to answer the circumstances of the owners of the club may have changed in any case.
I am not sure what the importance of it all is in any case, as with all MS statements, it doesn't reveal the whole story, for whatever reason and it all has to be taken with a big pile of salt.
Circumstances are great and all and give additional background is helpful and all but it is not going to remove the fact that MS makes vague statements that don't tell the whole of the story.
MS says there is a 5 year plan but we don't know what that is, isn't that what's important here ? Infinitesimal detail about background and all - There is no conspiracy or secrets to find here. This piece of news and delivery is in danger of being over dissected. Just my opinion and all.
He may say there's a 5 year plan, and there may well have been. The only assumption can be the plan consisted of solidifying, growth and progression because anything else simply doesn't make sense. But saying it's still on course, whatever it is, is clearly rubbish as everyone can see that the squad has not been improved. At best it's stood still (which in reality is going bakwards). But I'd argue the quality and strength has been actively reduced.
Something doesn't smell right (a criticism of Slater not the trust!!)
All very odd. Every supporters club meeting gets a write up of sorts on here, yet despite how many members are on this site not a single person went to the meeting or can report on it -meanwhile the trust get an "exclusive" single line comment from the night.
Strange.
The silence is deafening