And what about when clubs sing youre a ground full of spastics and make up photos of someone with obvious learning difficulties driving the "valley express" train do we go to the police make a big deal out of it i dont think the problem will ever go and i know people say ban everyone that sings these sort of chants but that in effect is the majority of the north upper in my opinion, and yes i do sit there myself.
What do you mean "make up photos" ? I thought they were real!!!
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
No "outrage" but there was a debate about what was and wasn't acceptable.
Also can't see how songs sung at a game months ago could take away from last night.
Even if it was last night so what? Result great; homophobia bad. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
So they describe our homophobic chanting as sporadic and not spreading possibly due to the actions of stewards, it couldn't possibly be due to the moral decency of the majority of our supporters.
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
Agree. You could argue that "does your boyfriend know youre here" isnt directly attacking someone, but I think thats offensive as well.
There could be some ppl who feel that throwing a banana at a black player isnt as bad as shouting "you black ******". The fact is both are offensive.
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?
Offensive to people that cannot walk. Needs banning.
I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?
I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?
Exactly, my rule is "would you shout that at someone on the street", if you wouldnt, its probably because its offensive...
Some of the chanting goes too far yes, but according to that dossier we sang "we can see you holding hands". How is that homophobic, as it's not saying gayness is wrong in any way, and it's not attacking gay people?
By including such mild banter, they're making themselves look precious, and deflecting attention from the more serious and nasty comments said at other games.
This. Some people clearly have a very different definition of "homophobic" to mine. And "abuse"...
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
So what is the official Charlton Life stance on " We can see you sneaking out"?
No idea as as far as I know there is no "Charlton Life stance" on anything.
My personal view is that "we can see you sneaking out" proves the point.
We and many others sing it as a negative. Sneaking out/leaving early is seen as bad so we point it out.
In the same way people are saying "we can see you holding hands" as a negative ie you're gay. Otherwise why are people singing it? It's not a statement of fact as no one is actually holding hands so it's only purpose is to abuse. Mild maybe but still homophobic.
I expect to be slated for this, but why do derogatory chants have to be sung about anyone? I expect there will be the usual cries of 'banter', but wouldn't it be much nicer if everyone sang positive chants, that actually support their team rather than a load of vitriolic abuse?
Don't agree with this, Football is all about the in word "banter" between fans which i feel is all part of the attraction of the game and atmosphere. But there is line between banter and abuse.
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.
- No-one likes you cos you're scum - The Jeremy Kyle song - The referee is a wanker - Build a bonfire - Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
Sheep sheep shaggers You fat bastard Old man, old man Palarse Simon Jordan is a wanker We pay your benefit What's it like to have no job? What's it like to live near Wales? Same old **** always cheating
There's aren't many chants left if you remove all those that could offend someone...
- No-one likes you cos you're scum - The Jeremy Kyle song - The referee is a wanker - Build a bonfire - Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
Typical PC leftie over-reaction.
All perfectly acceptable IMHO as none are homophobic or racist. The last one might be regionalist but that is all.
Ah, so wanting to burn an entire set of football fans to death is okay but suggesting they hold hands is totally unacceptable? Just so I know where our moral compass is pointing.
Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.
Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.
Although it is supposedly a reflection of what went on when we played them at The Valley. I don't remember there being such outrage at the time from our lot on here.
couldnt agree more thats the problem with this everyones got something to say now about it nothing at the time.
- No-one likes you cos you're scum - The Jeremy Kyle song - The referee is a wanker - Build a bonfire - Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
Sheep sheep shaggers You fat bastard Old man, old man Palarse Simon Jordan is a wanker We pay your benefit What's it like to have no job? What's it like to live near Wales? Same old **** always cheating
There's aren't many chants left if you remove all those that could offend someone...
You're totally missing the point.
It's not about offending possibly someone
The songs are meant to "offend" someone. IF IF IF it is a fat or old player then that is who it is pointed at not all fat or old people. It's OK. It is not going to make old or fat people feel uncomfortable or need explaining to your children
If, on the other hand you are abusing a whole racial group with monkey noise or a whole social group with homophobic chants then it is just abuse.
No one has said we can't sing anything or never ever swear or never again make fun of rival fans yet every time these tired old line comes out "
"we won't be able to sing XYZ" NO ONE HAS SAID THAT.
Next it will be "post-96" or "go to the opera, then"
Sing loud, sing a lot, be witty. Just don't be racist or homophobic.
Will always split people these things because there is always a huge degree of hypocracy in what people individually see as acceptable or funny.
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.
Been struggling to express my views on this, but AFKA has it right - I think that there is a fine line between political correctness & sterility. If you want to watch a sport where there is no passion/humour from the stands but with a little bit of happy clappy every now & again - spend some time here in North America, it's awful. If the price to pay for a bit of atmosphere is some occasional "banter" - I'd take it & I am not ashamed to be largely politically correct.
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No "outrage" but there was a debate about what was and wasn't acceptable.
Also can't see how songs sung at a game months ago could take away from last night.
Even if it was last night so what? Result great; homophobia bad. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
I think, in part, that is correct.
It is mild compared to other remarks/songs about taking it up the arse or passing your kids around s but it is clearly homophobic.
The song is clearly saying "we can see you doing something wrong" otherwise why point it out?
If this was a bad as it got then we'd all be in a better place but it doesn't and it is the thin end of the wedge.
And it's not "banter" and calling it "banter" doesn't make it OK.
There could be some ppl who feel that throwing a banana at a black player isnt as bad as shouting "you black ******". The fact is both are offensive.
- The Jeremy Kyle song
- The referee is a wanker
- Build a bonfire
- Dirty Northern Bastards
I take it all these songs won't be heard at The Valley again?
My personal view is that "we can see you sneaking out" proves the point.
We and many others sing it as a negative. Sneaking out/leaving early is seen as bad so we point it out.
In the same way people are saying "we can see you holding hands" as a negative ie you're gay. Otherwise why are people singing it? It's not a statement of fact as no one is actually holding hands so it's only purpose is to abuse. Mild maybe but still homophobic.
All perfectly acceptable IMHO as none are homophobic or racist. The last one might be regionalist but that is all.
You fat bastard
Old man, old man
Palarse
Simon Jordan is a wanker
We pay your benefit
What's it like to have no job?
What's it like to live near Wales?
Same old **** always cheating
There's aren't many chants left if you remove all those that could offend someone...
Never been a fan of the Brighton / gay bashing thing. Partly because i quite like Brighton as a club, but mainly because it is just so unorginal. A joke you have heard a thousand times is never funny.
Some things said / chanted do probably need to be reigned in a little by the 'wider football family', but it will be a said day if all forms of old-skool terrace humour gets fully eradicated from game. Football is just getting too serious.
It's not about offending possibly someone
The songs are meant to "offend" someone. IF IF IF it is a fat or old player then that is who it is pointed at not all fat or old people. It's OK. It is not going to make old or fat people feel uncomfortable or need explaining to your children
If, on the other hand you are abusing a whole racial group with monkey noise or a whole social group with homophobic chants then it is just abuse.
No one has said we can't sing anything or never ever swear or never again make fun of rival fans yet every time these tired old line comes out "
"we won't be able to sing XYZ" NO ONE HAS SAID THAT.
Next it will be "post-96" or "go to the opera, then"
Sing loud, sing a lot, be witty. Just don't be racist or homophobic.
here?”
““Have you ever shagged a girl?”
“We can see you holding hands”
Whats wrong with these, two are purely asking questions and the other a observation.
Harmless ;-)
Now if you find that offensive then do not got to football
Surely singing about building a fire and putting people on the top and bottom is more offensive
But i deem both nothing other than banter
Some people need to let go of hands and get a flipping grip on something else like real life