There was a period last night where people were singing "you take it up the arse". Lasted about 5-10 minutes. I didn't hear anything else. As it was behind me I've no idea if that was what the stewards were responding to when they were trying to get someone out. I think the Brighton fans have a point, even if people here do think it is just banter, they are saying it's not. If someone tells me I'm doing something they find offensive, I'd need a good reason to carry on. Banter is not a good reason.
Spot on. I consider a insult hurled at my team in general to be banter, like the (pretty lame) Millwall "Charlton Athletic, we laughing at you" chant, or "youre sh*t and you know you are" and so on. Chants like those dont make a point of emphasising race or sexual orientation, so its hard to be really offended. Thats banter....
from the site linked above I see these as offensive and unacceptable :
How would you feel if a group of fans asked if you 'passed your son around'
How would you explain to your son or daughter that you are not 'aids ridden scum'
Do you just laugh it off when you're asked 'if you take it up the arse' in front of your children?
I'm not surprised some of our fans sing these as for years they have been singing the 'incest' song and quite a few deem that acceptable and banter but it's no different really.
Banter's supposed to be funny. Call me a killjoy, but I don't find 15 minutes of 'you take it up the arse' to be particularly clever or amusing. In fact, wherever it's sung, I think it makes us look like idiots to be honest.
Presumably we are all proud that we have been given the Community Club of the Year award yet thoughtless homophobic chanting by fans will tarnish our image as a club that cares for all the community. The Charlton team spends a lot of time, does a lot of good and builds a lot of good will through its community work. Don't spoil it.
It seems they make a point of trying to listen out for the chants at every game. Charlton's cime is by far the worst of this lot:
14 August 2012 Swindon Town (A) “Town full of faggots”. Other abuse heard too. Letter sent from BHASC to Swindon Town FC. Response received from club who said that they would be vigilante and apologised.
18 August 2012 Hull City (A) “We can see you holding hands” and others. Player rubs his hands up and down several times over his backside whilst standing in front of, but with his back to, Brighton fans. Spoke to senior steward after match. Letter sent to Club. Club’s stewards take action during game. Hull City FC defended its player saying he had done nothing wrong.
21 August 2012 Cardiff City (H) Nothing audible n/a
25 August 2012 Barnsley (H) Nothing audible n/a
1 September 2012 Burnley (A) Home fans used many derogative words. So bad that BBC Sussex radio had to turn off a microphone and apologise several times on air for the language being used around them. No action was taken.
14 September 2012 Sheffield Wednesday (H) Nothing audible n/a
18 September 2012 Watford (A) Nothing audible n/a
22 September 2012 Millwall (A) Multiple, persistent chants heard. No action was taken this season. BHASC corresponded with Millwall in 2011 & 2012 season and have trusted them to work away at the problem.
29 September 2012 Birmingham (H) Nothing audible n/a
2 October 2012 Ipswich Town (H) Nothing audible n/a
6 October 2012 Derby County (A) Nothing audible n/a
20 October 2012 Middlesbrough (H) Nothing audible n/a
23 October 2012 Leicester City (A) A variety of chants including “We can see you holding hands”. BHASC has reported to Leicester City FC in the past who didn’t accept that it was anything but banter. With this mind set BHASC didn’t see that we could achieve anything else at this time.
27 October 2012 Blackpool (A) Nothing audible n/a
2 November 2012 Leeds United (H) Several different chants BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
6 November 2012 Peterborough (h) Nothing audible n/a
17 November 2012 Huddersfield Town (A) "We can see you holding hands" "You're just a town full of faggots" Spoke to police at game and letter sent to club. Club responded apologising and explaining actions of stewards in preventing abuse spreading
24 November 2012 Bolton Wanderers (H) “We can see you holding hands” “You’re just a town full of buggerers” “We always shag girls” Email sent to Bolton who responded.
27 November 2012 Bristol City (H) Nothing audible n/a
1 December 2012 Crystal Palace (A) “Palace 5, Brighton 0, Brighton take it up the bum” “We can see you holding hands”. Complaint to stewards and letter sent to club. No action taken at the time by the stewards, but Senior Steward reprimanded by CPFC for failing to take action.
8 December 2012 Charlton Athletic (A) “We can see you holding hands”. Chants were sporadic and did not spread possibly due to actions of stewards.
16 December 2012 Nottingham Forest (H) Nothing audible n/a
18 December 2012 Millwall (H) Several individual incidents reported after the game. A father and son pair of Brighton fans were walking away from the ground and the father was asked “Do you pass him round?” BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
29 December 2012 Watford (H) Sporadic chanting reported BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
1 January 2013 Ipswich Town (A) Nothing audible n/a
5 January 2013 Newcastle United (H) Sporadic homophobic chanting reported Stewards took action to prevent chants being spread.
12 January 2013 Derby County (H) Nothing audible n/a
19 January 2013 Birmingham City (A) “Does your boyfriend know you're here?" “Go home you qayers” “Up your arse m’lord, up your arse” Incidents were reported to Birmingham City FC.
26 January 2013 Arsenal (H) “Does your boyfriend know you're here?" “We can see you holding hands” BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments
2 February 2013 Sheffield Wednesday (A) “We can see you holding hands” “Does your boyfriend know you're here?" “Town full of faggots” “Up your arse, up your arse, if you’re not a fucking wanker you’re a qayer” Complaint made to stewards. BHASC understands that stewards may have taken action to prevent the chants spreading
9 February 2013 Hull City (H) Local paper reported that three Hull fans were arrested for homophobic comments made after the match. Two of those arrested were cautioned.
12 February 2013 Blackburn Rovers (H) Homophobic gestures from Blackburn player Colin Kazim-Richards Investigations by the Sussex County Police and The FA.
19 February 2013 Cardiff City (A) Nothing audible n/a
23 February 2013 Burnley (H) Nothing audible n/a
2 March 2013 Huddersfield Town (H) Nothing audible n/a
5 March 2013 Bristol City (A) “We can see you holding hands” “You’re just a town full of faggots” “What’s it like to suck a cock” “We drink cider, you suck cock” “The referee’s a gay boy” "Gay and you know you are" Incidents not reported.
9 March 2013 Bolton Wanderers (A) "We can see you holding hands" "Do you take it up the arse?" "Gay and you know you are" This was reported to previous contact at Bolton by email. A response has not been forthcoming to date.
12 March 2013 Barnsley (A) Nothing audible Barnsley demonstrated to BHASC procedures of stewards and how they deal with any instances of reported abuse.
17 March 2013 Crystal Palace (H) “You’re queer and you know you are” “We can see you holding hands” BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
30 March 2012 Nottingham Forest (A) “Does your boyfriend know you’re here?” “You only sing when you’re bumming” “Have you ever shagged a girl?” “We can see you holding hands” And shouts of ‘faggots’, ‘gay’ and ‘nonce’ with limp-wristed gestures Brighton supporters reported incidents to the police and stewards. The stadium safety officer assured GFSN before the game that a zero-tolerance policy was in place and the stewards would take any appropriate action necessary.
The offensive singing was not heard in the upper west stand where i was. The only thing that caused comment from the Brighton fans around me was when "stand up if you hate Palace" was sung. They thought it very amusing.
Oh and a Brighton supporting friend of mine tells me that when they beat Palace 3-0 recently the brighton fans were singing "we've just fcked you up the a7se"
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Robbie Elliot wore pink for Charlton.
Mixed response.
How would you feel if a group of fans asked if you 'passed your son around'
How would you explain to your son or daughter that you are not 'aids ridden scum'
Do you just laugh it off when you're asked 'if you take it up the arse' in front of your children?
I'm not surprised some of our fans sing these as for years they have been singing the 'incest' song and quite a few deem that acceptable and banter but it's no different really.
If it was one its not ok.
My view; somethings are not PC they are just right.
Times change and so must we all. 1970s' sit coms so this.
Presumably we are all proud that we have been given the Community Club of the Year award yet thoughtless homophobic chanting by fans will tarnish our image as a club that cares for all the community. The Charlton team spends a lot of time, does a lot of good and builds a lot of good will through its community work. Don't spoil it.
14 August 2012 Swindon Town (A) “Town full of faggots”.
Other abuse heard too.
Letter sent from BHASC to Swindon Town FC.
Response received from club who said that they would be vigilante and apologised.
18 August 2012 Hull City (A) “We can see you holding hands” and others.
Player rubs his hands up and down several times over his backside whilst standing in front of, but with his back
to, Brighton fans.
Spoke to senior steward after match.
Letter sent to Club.
Club’s stewards take action
during game.
Hull City FC defended its player saying he had done nothing wrong.
21 August 2012 Cardiff City (H) Nothing audible n/a
25 August 2012 Barnsley (H) Nothing audible n/a
1 September 2012 Burnley (A) Home fans used many derogative
words. So bad that BBC Sussex radio had to turn off a microphone and apologise several times on air for
the language being used around them.
No action was taken.
14 September 2012 Sheffield Wednesday (H) Nothing audible n/a
18 September 2012 Watford (A) Nothing audible n/a
22 September 2012 Millwall (A) Multiple, persistent chants heard. No action was taken this season.
BHASC corresponded with Millwall in 2011 & 2012 season and have trusted them to work away at the
problem.
29 September 2012 Birmingham (H) Nothing audible n/a
2 October 2012 Ipswich Town (H) Nothing audible n/a
6 October 2012 Derby County (A) Nothing audible n/a
20 October 2012 Middlesbrough (H) Nothing audible n/a
23 October 2012 Leicester City (A) A variety of chants including “We can see you holding hands”.
BHASC has reported to Leicester City FC in the past who didn’t accept that it was anything but banter.
With this mind set BHASC didn’t see that we could achieve anything else at this time.
27 October 2012 Blackpool (A) Nothing audible n/a
2 November 2012 Leeds United (H) Several different chants BHASC is comfortable that
Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have
historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
6 November 2012 Peterborough (h) Nothing audible n/a
17 November 2012 Huddersfield Town (A)
"We can see you holding hands"
"You're just a town full of faggots"
Spoke to police at game and letter sent to club.
Club responded apologising and explaining actions of stewards in preventing abuse spreading
24 November 2012 Bolton Wanderers (H)
“We can see you holding hands”
“You’re just a town full of buggerers”
“We always shag girls”
Email sent to Bolton who responded.
27 November 2012 Bristol City (H) Nothing audible n/a
1 December 2012 Crystal Palace (A)
“Palace 5, Brighton 0, Brighton take it up the bum”
“We can see you holding hands”.
Complaint to stewards and letter sent to club.
No action taken at the time by the stewards, but Senior Steward reprimanded by CPFC for failing to take
action.
8 December 2012 Charlton Athletic (A)
“We can see you holding hands”. Chants were sporadic and did not spread possibly due to actions of stewards.
16 December 2012 Nottingham Forest (H) Nothing audible n/a
18 December 2012 Millwall (H) Several individual incidents reported
after the game. A father and son pair of Brighton fans were walking away from the ground and the father was
asked “Do you pass him round?”
BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
29 December 2012 Watford (H) Sporadic chanting reported BHASC is comfortable that
Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed appropriate. Fans have
historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if they make such comments.
1 January 2013 Ipswich Town (A) Nothing audible n/a
5 January 2013 Newcastle United (H)
Sporadic homophobic chanting reported Stewards took action to prevent chants being spread.
12 January 2013 Derby County (H) Nothing audible n/a
19 January 2013 Birmingham City (A)
“Does your boyfriend know you're
here?"
“Go home you qayers”
“Up your arse m’lord, up your arse”
Incidents were reported to Birmingham City FC.
26 January 2013 Arsenal (H)
“Does your boyfriend know you're
here?"
“We can see you holding hands”
BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed
appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if
they make such comments
2 February 2013 Sheffield Wednesday (A)
“We can see you holding hands”
“Does your boyfriend know you're
here?"
“Town full of faggots”
“Up your arse, up your arse, if you’re not a fucking wanker you’re a qayer”
Complaint made to stewards. BHASC understands that stewards may have taken action to prevent the chants
spreading
9 February 2013 Hull City (H)
Local paper reported that three Hull fans were arrested for homophobic comments made after the match.
Two of those arrested were cautioned.
12 February 2013 Blackburn Rovers (H)
Homophobic gestures from Blackburn player Colin Kazim-Richards
Investigations by the Sussex County Police and The FA.
19 February 2013 Cardiff City (A) Nothing audible n/a
23 February 2013 Burnley (H) Nothing audible n/a
2 March 2013 Huddersfield Town (H) Nothing audible n/a
5 March 2013 Bristol City (A) “We can see you holding hands”
“You’re just a town full of faggots”
“What’s it like to suck a cock”
“We drink cider, you suck cock”
“The referee’s a gay boy”
"Gay and you know you are"
Incidents not reported.
9 March 2013 Bolton Wanderers (A)
"We can see you holding hands"
"Do you take it up the arse?"
"Gay and you know you are"
This was reported to previous contact at Bolton by email. A response has not been forthcoming to
date.
12 March 2013 Barnsley (A) Nothing audible
Barnsley demonstrated to BHASC procedures of stewards and how they deal with any instances of reported abuse.
17 March 2013 Crystal Palace (H)
“You’re queer and you know you are”
“We can see you holding hands”
BHASC is comfortable that Brighton & Hove Albion FC has adequate procedures to take action if deemed
appropriate. Fans have historically been ejected and on sometimes even prevented from going in if
they make such comments.
30 March 2012 Nottingham Forest
(A)
“Does your boyfriend know you’re
here?”
“You only sing when you’re
bumming”
“Have you ever shagged a girl?”
“We can see you holding hands”
And shouts of ‘faggots’, ‘gay’ and
‘nonce’ with limp-wristed gestures
Brighton supporters reported incidents to the police and stewards. The stadium safety officer assured GFSN before the
game that a zero-tolerance policy was in place and the stewards would take any appropriate action
necessary.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots
Odd that.
Update: Read it wrong