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  • Mendonca In Asdas
    Mendonca In Asdas Posts: 22,658
    Who do you report it to though?
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,813
    Charlton.
    They should then take it to Millwall or the Football League.
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,483
    Yeah .The dimwit that threw the seat really knew where it was going to land. Do me a favour!!
    Fella looked the type that lives off of jam sandwiches and has velcro shoes because standard laces are too difficult.
    Moron!
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,743
    Mendonca In Asdas said:

    Who do you report it to though?

    Our CEO.

    DOH !
  • PL54
    PL54 Posts: 10,757
    Mendonca In Asdas said:

    Who do you report it to though?

    Airman

  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,061
    dickplumb said:

    All this macho posturing of some fans really does my head in it is so 70s/80s.I am all for local rivalries but smoke bombs,flares offering people out, is that really what Football is all about?I don't like Millwall,never have done,but it is about time some 40 and 50 year olds grew up from both Millwall and Charlton and other clubs.I didn't go yesterday as I had a ticket for the England NewZealand game.A fantastic atmosphere at that game,great stadium,all supporters sitting together.Proper physical contest on the pitch,a game played by real men.Had a drink afterwards with some NewZealanders and was a great day with England winning.

    There's nothing more annoying than rugby fans trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to football. The atmosphere at a rugby match is shit in comparison to football. It's like a singalong at the theatre, that's not what I went to the Den for yesterday and it's probably why rugby is a minority sport whilst football is a part of the fabric of society and the most popular sport on earth, it's for this very reason that it means so much to people.
  • Latimer
    Latimer Posts: 943
    I was there, I agree with Len Glover's sentiments entirely, I will never go to that dump again. If that was an advertisement for modern day football and fan following, I would give up going. Reminds me too painfully of the darker days of the 70s and 80s and why I stopped going. I go to watch football, not a scene from a Saturday night in a city centre. Mindless posturing. Nothing justifies the pathetic and mindless stupidity of what was on display yesterday afternoon.

    I wonder what the outcry would have been if the seat/flair/smoke bomb thrown by a Charlton attendee had hit a fellow Charlton?

  • Davo55
    Davo55 Posts: 7,843
    Isn't it time to move on guys?

    1. We have some fans who thought some of our guys went over the line.

    2. We have some fans who loved it that we went there balls out and stood up for ourselves.

    Neither side of the argument will persuade the other. Nothing new is being added. Move on eh?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,041
    Mendonca In Asdas said:

    Who do you report it to though?

    The Black Lawyers Association.
  • Woodsywood
    Woodsywood Posts: 991
    Other than Mildrew, who actually heard the racism yesterday?

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  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,813
    Frimpong and Haynes, apparently.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,041
    edited December 2012
    I was standing very close to the person who through the red smoke bomb on the pitch at the end.
    It wasn't "his". Someone had it, then put it down, for reasons unknown. Someone else picked it up & lobbed it on the pitch. It looked to me that he did it to get rid of it, more than an act of provocation. (IYTWIM).

    I think it landed close to the ball boy, but like I say I think he lobbed it as it was "smoking him out".
  • Woodsywood
    Woodsywood Posts: 991
    lordromford said:

    Frimpong and Haynes, apparently.

    Yeah but I am wondering if anyone on this site actually heard it?
  • dickplumb
    dickplumb Posts: 4,835
    se9addick said:

    dickplumb said:

    All this macho posturing of some fans really does my head in it is so 70s/80s.I am all for local rivalries but smoke bombs,flares offering people out, is that really what Football is all about?I don't like Millwall,never have done,but it is about time some 40 and 50 year olds grew up from both Millwall and Charlton and other clubs.I didn't go yesterday as I had a ticket for the England NewZealand game.A fantastic atmosphere at that game,great stadium,all supporters sitting together.Proper physical contest on the pitch,a game played by real men.Had a drink afterwards with some NewZealanders and was a great day with England winning.

    There's nothing more annoying than rugby fans trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to football. The atmosphere at a rugby match is shit in comparison to football. It's like a singalong at the theatre, that's not what I went to the Den for yesterday and it's probably why rugby is a minority sport whilst football is a part of the fabric of society and the most popular sport on earth, it's for this very reason that it means so much to people.
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    I am a Charlton fan of Fifty one years standing.I have been a Season ticket holder most of that time.I have been a regular at away games,I also watch about twenty matches a Season of the U21s,U18s and U16s.So from that you can see that I am Charlton through and through.I have always been a Football fan.

    You are wrong,the atmosphere at the Rugby was electric and passionate.But it wasn't ruined by brainless tribalism,or people pretending that they are hard.You can be passionate without resorting to vile chants and chucking seats,flares or smoke bombs.Or giving out racist abuse.The England and NewZealand fans passionately supported their teams but they knew how to behave.Some of the stuff that goes on inside and outside of a place like Millwall sickens me.It had no place in football in the seventies and eighties and it has no place today.I am sorry if that doesn't sit well with some people on this Forum,but the way people behaved at the Rugby made a big impression on me.This was from people who had a lot to drink.
  • MeebaumAzanitch
    MeebaumAzanitch Posts: 605
    ShootersHillGuru said:

    You must understand surely that once you throw something you have no control whatsoever over what may follow. If that's not of concern to you then you are truly a moron.

    I agree. I threw a party once. For my birthday!
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,813
    edited December 2012
    Woodsywood-
    Probably not, seeing as it was from Millwall fans in their area. Meldrew said he was in with the Millwall lot, that's why he heard it. Frimps and Haynes were the targets, that's why they heard it.
    Not sure what point you're getting at tbh. Are you saying it didn't happen if not enough people on here heard it?
  • TellyTubby
    TellyTubby Posts: 3,553
    Woodsywood said:

    lordromford said:

    Frimpong and Haynes, apparently.

    Yeah but I am wondering if anyone on this site actually heard it?
    I assume that it was mainly close to the half way line so not that many Charlton would have been near enough
  • Woodsywood
    Woodsywood Posts: 991
    Just wondering, shouldn't really judge there fans on it until we know the truth.
  • Nug
    Nug Posts: 4,626
    red_murph said:

    I'm sorry but I just dont get it.

    Sing, give Millwall loads of shit and take the piss. Blinding. Well happy with that. Been there done that.

    Chucking flares or smoke stuff is just plain moronic. Hold it up above your head and keep it there if you are man enough, you'd more than likely get a flask of tea in your nappa.

    As for the seat throwing muppet, how proud must he be today. Nice one. Not quite sure how he's avoided getting proper grief on here. It's bullshit, it's purile and it's not Charlton.

    Was thinking the same, surely that was the worst thing of the day, surprised he didn't take someones head off.
  • lordromford
    lordromford Posts: 7,813
    Woodsywood said:

    Just wondering, shouldn't really judge there fans on it until we know the truth.

    No, that's fair enough.
    But if someone did hear it, they should report it. IMHO


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  • Woodsywood
    Woodsywood Posts: 991
    lordromford said:

    Woodsywood said:

    Just wondering, shouldn't really judge there fans on it until we know the truth.

    No, that's fair enough.
    But if someone did hear it, they should report it. IMHO

    Yes they should
  • nolly
    nolly Posts: 12,122
    12 year old girl that was hit was a millwall fan
  • I_Saw_Semedo_Score
    I_Saw_Semedo_Score Posts: 1,632
    se9addick said:

    dickplumb said:

    All this macho posturing of some fans really does my head in it is so 70s/80s.I am all for local rivalries but smoke bombs,flares offering people out, is that really what Football is all about?I don't like Millwall,never have done,but it is about time some 40 and 50 year olds grew up from both Millwall and Charlton and other clubs.I didn't go yesterday as I had a ticket for the England NewZealand game.A fantastic atmosphere at that game,great stadium,all supporters sitting together.Proper physical contest on the pitch,a game played by real men.Had a drink afterwards with some NewZealanders and was a great day with England winning.

    There's nothing more annoying than rugby fans trying to take the moral high ground when it comes to football. The atmosphere at a rugby match is shit in comparison to football. It's like a singalong at the theatre, that's not what I went to the Den for yesterday and it's probably why rugby is a minority sport whilst football is a part of the fabric of society and the most popular sport on earth, it's for this very reason that it means so much to people.
    You put your riposte across far better than I ever could (though I tried).

    Have nothing against rugby but these bellends who look down their nose on us common football fans can nosh on my left nut, pretentious wankers.

  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,563
    I heard it because I was sat 4 rows from the front in the Kitchener stand, sat with my brother and his Millwall-supporting boys. BWP even pointed at me, thinking it was me instead of the bloke behind me. I kept wondering what would happen if I had been hauled out as the racist. Makes you realise how easily your life could change forever due to mistaken density. Mind you, I also thought how far I would let it go until I pulled out my Charlton cap from my pocket to challenge them on why a Charlton fan would abuse his own player. I thought our black players handled it brilliantly, especially BWP who gave back as much as he could without inciting the crowd. His 'fat boy' gesture to one racist thug was worth the £31 the ticket cost me. Good on ya Brad.
  • meldrew66
    meldrew66 Posts: 2,563
    Oops, I meant 'identity' not density but ironic all the same!
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,238
    I was sat in a box in the Millsmall end... Clear monkey chants every time BWP touched the ball
  • Stig
    Stig Posts: 29,054
    Two questions because I honestly don't know how dangerous these things might be:
    1. Has anyone in a football ground ever been injured by a flare?
    2. Has anyone in a football ground ever been injured by a smoke bomb?

    I remember that Welshman getting killed by a firework, but that's something else. It's just that everyone says about it being dangerous and I really don't know. Is it?
  • Brendan_O_Connell
    Brendan_O_Connell Posts: 8,938
    meldrew66 said:

    I heard it because I was sat 4 rows from the front in the Kitchener stand, sat with my brother and his Millwall-supporting boys. BWP even pointed at me, thinking it was me instead of the bloke behind me. I kept wondering what would happen if I had been hauled out as the racist. Makes you realise how easily your life could change forever due to mistaken density. Mind you, I also thought how far I would let it go until I pulled out my Charlton cap from my pocket to challenge them on why a Charlton fan would abuse his own player. I thought our black players handled it brilliantly, especially BWP who gave back as much as he could without inciting the crowd. His 'fat boy' gesture to one racist thug was worth the £31 the ticket cost me. Good on ya Brad.

    I am very happy you didn't pull your CAFC cap out and tell those scumbags what you thought of them. Hopefully you got out safely without any incident.
  • DRF
    DRF Posts: 2,455
    Peakey4Rocket said:

    Valiantphil said:

    Can't let this go without adding my views:

    We already have the moral high-ground, as a club and it's fans. We encourage family values and inclusion policies. We have been innovative (Curbs/Gritt dual coaches, Fans' Director, etc etc), and have survived the imposters that are triumph and disaster, with our reputation intact.

    Why would we throw this away by throwing flares and smashing up seats in front of a club that preaches equality and fairness but will NEVER shake off its real identity.

    I never saw a single non-white face in their crowd.
    After 20 minutes they started a ferocious fight among themselves.
    They abuse substitutes while warming up and throw coins.
    Their child mascot runs onto the pitch waving the idiots into battle.
    At the end, 60 year old men are waiting outside to pick fights.
    They are proud to say nobody likes them.

    Fellow Charlton fans, we are better than this. Our vocal support is amazing, we had already won the day by silencing the neanderthals, but we made ourselves look cheap by stooping to their sub-human level.

    Absolute nonsense!! So 150-200 millwall charge in the corner, what do you want people to do.
    It's embarrassing being seen as squares and transporters.
    Charlton should be proud of yesterday's turn out. Why's everyone getting so bothered. Most involved have been going home and away for years!!
    Sorry to have been such a thorn in your pride. Why don't you find a club to support that you don't feel are an embarrassment to your hard image rather than turning charlton into something the rest of us have to worry about.
  • Deadred
    Deadred Posts: 1,514
    edited December 2012
    Stig said:

    Two questions because I honestly don't know how dangerous these things might be:
    1. Has anyone in a football ground ever been injured by a flare?
    2. Has anyone in a football ground ever been injured by a smoke bomb?

    I remember that Welshman getting killed by a firework, but that's something else. It's just that everyone says about it being dangerous and I really don't know. Is it?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2233901/Goalkeeper-hit-flare-suspended-match-Independiente-Belgrano.html
    http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/Away-fan-smoke-grenade-Plymouth-Argyle-s-Home/story-16632248-detail/story.html

    Doesn't answer the questions but highlights the consequences of carrying / throwing them albeit one was in South America during a game.

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