Is Kevin Cash back on board? Or new investment?.Into the valley forum says this.
just had a gander and they seem to be convinced cash was never not involved but he stopped putting his money in, but apparently TJ has found some one else to do that. Part of me wants this to be true but i think its just wishful thinking considering we've won 3 games on the run. Plus they seem to suggest the new investor is zabeel, who, tbh although they're not broke are in no position to buy a football club
Is Kevin Cash back on board? Or new investment?.Into the valley forum says this.
just had a gander and they seem to be convinced cash was never not involved but he stopped putting his money in, but apparently TJ has found some one else to do that. Part of me wants this to be true but i think its just wishful thinking considering we've won 3 games on the run. Plus they seem to suggest the new investor is zabeel, who, tbh although they're not broke are in no position to buy a football club
Cash back in the game would be a good thing IMHO at least in the short term.
As was being said on here as long back as the summer Cash hadn't left, just stopped funding the losses. This was proved by his front man, Slater, still being on the board where he can protect his interest.
If he now willing to pump money in then that would explain Frimpong and Jonnson. I just some money goes into getting the academy through it's cat 1 assessment and to paying for the mundane but important bills owed to local businesses.
Another story from an unreliable source was that there is new, outside money sniffing around but even if true we know from Zebeel that a deal isn't done until it is done.
As someone once said "I'll believe it when it is on the OS"
There has been several million threads slagging off the owners on here without a snippet being on the O/S. Its well known our owners do their business on the quiet.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
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I do hope the company follows it's own policies with regard the treatment of it's own employees.
There has been several million threads slagging off the owners on here without a snippet being on the O/S. Its well known our owners do their business on the quiet.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
Unless its on the O/S of course.
Agreed.
It's funny because negative rumours gets started on here about the board and most on here believe it but some positive rumours comes out and everyone is dis-believing it.
Who's that "reamsofverse" character on that awful site? He seems to know a lot but is so obviously guessing.
The admin, he's bananas and bans anyone who questions him, or offers to talk about it "face to face" at his local. Psycopathic control freak comes to mind.
There has been several million threads slagging off the owners on here without a snippet being on the O/S. Its well known our owners do their business on the quiet.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
Unless its on the O/S of course.
Agreed.
It's funny because negative rumours gets started on here about the board and most on here believe it but some positive rumours comes out and everyone is dis-believing it.
Unbelievable.........................
"everyone is dis-beliving it" Huge exaggeration there. So far no one at all has said it's not true.
I actually think there is some substance to the rumours but we know from experience that doesn't mean a deal has or will be done. When it is confirmed on the OS as a done deal then we'll can be sure.
Nice to know that Southend and you have such an open mind. Easy to dismiss everyone who says something you don't like as "Attention seeking" or "disgruntled". Saves so much time not having to challenge your own beliefs or listen to what other people are saying.
Who's that "reamsofverse" character on that awful site? He seems to know a lot but is so obviously guessing.
The admin, he's bananas and bans anyone who questions him, or offers to talk about it "face to face" at his local. Psycopathic control freak comes to mind.
u mean he bans people who threaten him? Whatever next!
Who's that "reamsofverse" character on that awful site? He seems to know a lot but is so obviously guessing.
The admin, he's bananas and bans anyone who questions him, or offers to talk about it "face to face" at his local. Psycopathic control freak comes to mind.
u mean he bans people who threaten him? Whatever next!
I think he means Reams offers them out rather than the other way round.
The bringing in of three loan players, plus the adverts for new senior manager positions makes it clear that a corner has potentially been turned.
Whether that is the result of a current part of the ownership structure putting more in, or a potential takeover could be on the cards in the next couple of months, is entirely down to what you want to believe.
3 recent loans afka but what about pulling out the stops to get fuller on big money 3 months ago.
What about turning down money for 2 players when they were easily replaced
What about continually doing price initiatives to get the punters in.
From what I can see they have turned the club around from one looking league 2 bound, spent money, pissed league one and continued the strengthening with premiership signings...
The bringing in of three loan players, plus the adverts for new senior manager positions makes it clear that a corner has potentially been turned.
Whether that is the result of a current part of the ownership structure putting more in, or a potential takeover could be on the cards in the next couple of months, is entirely down to what you want to believe.
Seaborne had to be brought in with no fit left full backs at the club. Jonnson is hardly that progressive I don't think but I'll certainly give you that Frimpong is the type of player you would need in order to progress. As for the off the field adverts surely they were eventually going to happen given the infamous departures ? I'll believe money is in the building if come January we see a flurry of good transfer dealings.
There has been several million threads slagging off the owners on here without a snippet being on the O/S. Its well known our owners do their business on the quiet.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
Unless its on the O/S of course.
Agreed.
It's funny because negative rumours gets started on here about the board and most on here believe it but some positive rumours comes out and everyone is dis-believing it.
Unbelievable.........................
"everyone is dis-beliving it" Huge exaggeration there. So far no one at all has said it's not true.
I actually think there is some substance to the rumours but we know from experience that doesn't mean a deal has or will be done. When it is confirmed on the OS as a done deal then we'll can be sure.
Nice to know that Southend and you have such an open mind. Easy to dismiss everyone who says something you don't like as "Attention seeking" or "disgruntled". Saves so much time not having to challenge your own beliefs or listen to what other people are saying.
Trust me Henry, I have read a lot of these rumours that have been popping up on here the last 6 months and have certainly listened. Everyone seemed to believe that source and I thought to myself "Am I missing something here?" but then i find on here it's just a plain rumour that some random person that has started this without backing anything up.
I don't think I'm exagarrating because comments are already starting with "I wait until its on the OS" and "This person is guessing obviously". However I do agree with them but it won't the same just before the season with rumours that cash has dropped out which everyone seemed to believe on here.
So far the board have done great because if it won't for them we would be in league two by now and be in a Plymouth type situation by now. Lets just give them some credit rather than slagging them off without anything to back this up.
3 recent loans afka but what about pulling out the stops to get fuller on big money 3 months ago.
What about turning down money for 2 players when they were easily replaced
What about continually doing price initiatives to get the punters in.
From what I can see they have turned the club around from one looking league 2 bound, spent money, pissed league one and continued the strengthening with premiership signings...
I could go on but I think you know my opinion
TJ put his hand in his own pocket for the fuller deal
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any Charlton fan who wasn't grateful that the current board became involved - it's as clear as day that that their two years in charge has led to a dramatic upsurge in fortunes and that without them we would have been in serious, serious trouble.
That doesn't mean they are infallible however, nor that people can't express dissatisfaction with certain issues. And suggesting that the rumours of cash flow problems in the summer were simply the invention of one random who duped everyone is simply wrong. I think it's pretty evident that there were issues, but recent events certainly suggest that these have stabilised for the moment. Whether it's a long term solution we will have to wait and see.
But the comment of "I'll believe it when it is on the OS" was clearly with regard to a takeover BEING COMPLETED. It wasn't saying there was no truth in the rumours, in fact the opposite, but pointing out, using the example of Zabeel that takeover deals can go wrong. It was a "wait until we are sure" not a "it's all lies"
you said "everyone" when it clearly wasn't. It has a huge exaggeration and it was false.
You say that "Everyone seemed to believe that source " of the negative comments over the summer but don't say which one. There are a lot of different sources and a large number of posters don't believe then whether the source was/is Prague Addick, Airman Browm, North London Addick, Plaayer, Rothko or others.
Southend, Rodney, NNS, Brunello, KentAddick, Killerandhales to name just a few have all constantly said that they don't agree that there is an issue or cause for concern. And they are perfectly entitled to that view.
So why exaggerate with "everyone believes the rumours" when it is clearly not true from the names I have listed.
You said
"So far the board have done great because if it won't for them we would be in league two by now. Lets just give them some credit rather than slagging them off without anything to back this up."
1. We don't know if we would be in league 2. That's not something we can know
2. But yes they did very well, they recruited Powell even if he wasn't first choice (Eddie Howe was) and stuck with him when it all went pear shaped that first season. They backed him financially (although they always claimed the Jenkinson money paid for all the transfers) and we got promoted at a canter.
The board deserved and got huge praise for doing that.
And then, in the view of some, things changed.
The board itself changed, Directors left, share holdings changed. That is all FACT and all on the OS. Then employees left, that is FACT even if some of that never made the OS for some reason.
Speculation, and it was speculation but not from some "random" person as you said but from lots of different, well connected people, was that Kevin Cash was no longer willing to bankroll the Club and that Jimenez and Powell have a poor working relationship. Doesn't make it true but does, IMHO, make it worth listening to.
There was only one fee paid in the summer. Compare this to the previous summer.
Some people were worried. It wasn't "attention seeking" as Southend says, it was concern.
Now money seems to be being spent although we don't know that (speculation again) as we don't know how much of Frimpongs, Seabourne or Jonssons wages we are paying. We have also shipped out players such as Hollands and Sullivan.
So yes the old board did well, the current board is different with even the Chairman set to be replaced if we believe that Paul Elliot is coming on board.
3 recent loans afka but what about pulling out the stops to get fuller on big money 3 months ago.
What about turning down money for 2 players when they were easily replaced
What about continually doing price initiatives to get the punters in.
From what I can see they have turned the club around from one looking league 2 bound, spent money, pissed league one and continued the strengthening with premiership signings...
I could go on but I think you know my opinion
I must add also that we loaned the likes of Lee Martin when we were in League one and close to going in administration. Loaning players does not mean everything is ok.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any Charlton fan who wasn't grateful that the current board became involved - it's as clear as day that that their two years in charge has led to a dramatic upsurge in fortunes and that without them we would have been in serious, serious trouble.
That doesn't mean they are infallible however, nor that people can't express dissatisfaction with certain issues. And suggesting that the rumours of cash flow problems in the summer were simply the invention of one random who duped everyone is simply wrong. I think it's pretty evident that there were issues, but recent events certainly suggest that these have stabilised for the moment. Whether it's a long term solution we will have to wait and see.
Well put, it is not a simple black or white issue of goodies and baddies.
3 recent loans afka but what about pulling out the stops to get fuller on big money 3 months ago.
What about turning down money for 2 players when they were easily replaced
What about continually doing price initiatives to get the punters in.
From what I can see they have turned the club around from one looking league 2 bound, spent money, pissed league one and continued the strengthening with premiership signings...
I could go on but I think you know my opinion
TJ put his hand in his own pocket for the fuller deal
Source?
I'm not saying it's not true but aren't you just some "random" person as Disco would say
I think you'd be hard pressed to find any Charlton fan who wasn't grateful that the current board became involved - it's as clear as day that that their two years in charge has led to a dramatic upsurge in fortunes and that without them we would have been in serious, serious trouble.
That doesn't mean they are infallible however, nor that people can't express dissatisfaction with certain issues. And suggesting that the rumours of cash flow problems in the summer were simply the invention of one random who duped everyone is simply wrong. I think it's pretty evident that there were issues, but recent events certainly suggest that these have stabilised for the moment. Whether it's a long term solution we will have to wait and see.
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As was being said on here as long back as the summer Cash hadn't left, just stopped funding the losses. This was proved by his front man, Slater, still being on the board where he can protect his interest.
If he now willing to pump money in then that would explain Frimpong and Jonnson. I just some money goes into getting the academy through it's cat 1 assessment and to paying for the mundane but important bills owed to local businesses.
Another story from an unreliable source was that there is new, outside money sniffing around but even if true we know from Zebeel that a deal isn't done until it is done.
As someone once said "I'll believe it when it is on the OS"
There has been several million threads slagging off the owners on here without a snippet being on the O/S. Its well known our owners do their business on the quiet.
I think our owners are great and nothing I will read on here from people seeking attention or disgruntled employees who havent read their company procedures policy will deter me from that.
Unless its on the O/S of course.
It's funny because negative rumours gets started on here about the board and most on here believe it but some positive rumours comes out and everyone is dis-believing it.
Unbelievable.........................
"everyone is dis-beliving it" Huge exaggeration there. So far no one at all has said it's not true.
I actually think there is some substance to the rumours but we know from experience that doesn't mean a deal has or will be done. When it is confirmed on the OS as a done deal then we'll can be sure.
Nice to know that Southend and you have such an open mind. Easy to dismiss everyone who says something you don't like as "Attention seeking" or "disgruntled". Saves so much time not having to challenge your own beliefs or listen to what other people are saying.
I've heard semi reliable rumours of money coming into the Club, whether it's new investment or a full takeover. We'll just have to wait and see.
Whether that is the result of a current part of the ownership structure putting more in, or a potential takeover could be on the cards in the next couple of months, is entirely down to what you want to believe.
If there's a takeover imminent, then why would TJ be spending on loan deals and a new management structure - unless he's 'tarting us up for sale'.
Would new owners be spending already before the contracts have been signed? - highly unlikely.
Where does the rumours of Paul Elliot becoming (a salaried) Chariman fit into all of it?
What about turning down money for 2 players when they were easily replaced
What about continually doing price initiatives to get the punters in.
From what I can see they have turned the club around from one looking league 2 bound, spent money, pissed league one and continued the strengthening with premiership signings...
I could go on but I think you know my opinion
I don't think I'm exagarrating because comments are already starting with "I wait until its on the OS" and "This person is guessing obviously". However I do agree with them but it won't the same just before the season with rumours that cash has dropped out which everyone seemed to believe on here.
So far the board have done great because if it won't for them we would be in league two by now and be in a Plymouth type situation by now. Lets just give them some credit rather than slagging them off without anything to back this up.
That doesn't mean they are infallible however, nor that people can't express dissatisfaction with certain issues. And suggesting that the rumours of cash flow problems in the summer were simply the invention of one random who duped everyone is simply wrong. I think it's pretty evident that there were issues, but recent events certainly suggest that these have stabilised for the moment. Whether it's a long term solution we will have to wait and see.
you said "everyone" when it clearly wasn't. It has a huge exaggeration and it was false.
You say that "Everyone seemed to believe that source " of the negative comments over the summer but don't say which one. There are a lot of different sources and a large number of posters don't believe then whether the source was/is Prague Addick, Airman Browm, North London Addick, Plaayer, Rothko or others.
Southend, Rodney, NNS, Brunello, KentAddick, Killerandhales to name just a few have all constantly said that they don't agree that there is an issue or cause for concern. And they are perfectly entitled to that view.
So why exaggerate with "everyone believes the rumours" when it is clearly not true from the names I have listed.
You said
"So far the board have done great because if it won't for them we would be in league two by now. Lets just give them some credit rather than slagging them off without anything to back this up."
1. We don't know if we would be in league 2. That's not something we can know
2. But yes they did very well, they recruited Powell even if he wasn't first choice (Eddie Howe was) and stuck with him when it all went pear shaped that first season. They backed him financially (although they always claimed the Jenkinson money paid for all the transfers) and we got promoted at a canter.
The board deserved and got huge praise for doing that.
And then, in the view of some, things changed.
The board itself changed, Directors left, share holdings changed. That is all FACT and all on the OS. Then employees left, that is FACT even if some of that never made the OS for some reason.
Speculation, and it was speculation but not from some "random" person as you said but from lots of different, well connected people, was that Kevin Cash was no longer willing to bankroll the Club and that Jimenez and Powell have a poor working relationship. Doesn't make it true but does, IMHO, make it worth listening to.
There was only one fee paid in the summer. Compare this to the previous summer.
Some people were worried. It wasn't "attention seeking" as Southend says, it was concern.
Now money seems to be being spent although we don't know that (speculation again) as we don't know how much of Frimpongs, Seabourne or Jonssons wages we are paying. We have also shipped out players such as Hollands and Sullivan.
So yes the old board did well, the current board is different with even the Chairman set to be replaced if we believe that Paul Elliot is coming on board.
That still stings
I'm not saying it's not true but aren't you just some "random" person as Disco would say