I don't know for what reasons I am agreeing with you but I do. Went for a beer after the game with my mates who sit in the covered end and they commented on player X losing the ball when I thought (and people who sit round me) that he was one of our only positives
Someone earlier on said there's no need to panic? You sure. What have you been watching the past few weeks? I've been to every game so far and have every reason to panic unless we get some wingers
Pritchard and jackson, not knocking these two but jackson nor pritchard isn't championship class, fed up with people saying to be loyal due to what he did last season, if we carry on playing both him and pritchard in wide positions we will soon find ourselves at the bottom, ill even take wagstaff over them out wide, at least he can attempt to take a man on.
You won't understand how fucking pissed off I am, this was clearly going to happen ever since the leicester game, only the results have put a paper bag over how poor our midfield really is.
well it didnt take long the momentum of a wonderful season has well and truly gone palace who will be bottom half tore us a new one and gratefully they backed off and invited us on to them rather than going for the jugular cos it could have been more wilson put a few good balls in but defensively i thought he was junk don't like any of that starting midfield atm they're gonna have to improve to make a dent on this division i like green he has ability but for him to play we may be more open at the back who knows what the solution is
our support was woeful any other club would have tried to lift the team in a derby match but even tho a few tried we usually need goals before we get going i thought the palace fans, as manufactured as you wanna call it, made a bit of an atmosphere , i mean a whole away end with 3k joining in with a song is something we might achieve one day
0% top 6 ...... 10% 7th-12th ..... 65% 13th-21st ....25% chance of relegation ...lets buy in january and we wont go there
I though Wilsons positioning was poor. One long ball up to there left mid and Wilson wasn't even goal side. I don't usually get mad when players muck something up. I just go quiet. But when wilson had that shot at the end I went ape shit. He had green next to him, players in the box and it's the last kick of the game.
Thought stephens played well tonight. Pritch and jj had poor nights. Solly still quality on the other side. Yann was quieter than normal. Bwp worked hard once again. Still don't know how hamers header didn't go in. Roof would have came off if that went in.
It did kick off at the station but I just see the police steaming in. Think a few palace came round our side.
One thing is clear , we have a couple of players who are just not good enough for The Championship. Not for the lack of effort i must say. Jacko is being found out which is such a shame. We are never going to win games with no width and nobody to supply the strikers. Long balls is all we had tonight and it's not good enough.
What is really starting to concern me is that since about Jan of this year, we just seem unable to play a game where its not 1 dimensional - ie a big hoof up to Kermy. Would have thought that the management team would have a plan b - however it just doesnt change. Is it time to start questioning the management?
Thought Wilson was awful defending tonight, his shot at the end made me so so angry. He played crap the whole game and then had the arrogance to shoot when he should have passed. Mug.
I though he started shakily but improved as the game went on. Shame about the last kick.
sorry but I really don't get the dale Stephens love in that some people seem to have on this forum. Has more bad games than good in my opinion. Nowhere near as good as some people seem to think he is. £2 million from villa would have allowed us to significantly improve our midfield. Hate criticising Powell and the board but can't help but feel they made the wrong decision there!!!
What is really starting to concern me is that since about Jan of this year, we just seem unable to play a game where its not 1 dimensional - ie a big hoof up to Kermy. Would have thought that the management team would have a plan b - however it just doesnt change. Is it time to start questioning the management?
What is really starting to concern me is that since about Jan of this year, we just seem unable to play a game where its not 1 dimensional - ie a big hoof up to Kermy. Would have thought that the management team would have a plan b - however it just doesnt change. Is it time to start questioning the management?
It's only 4 games this season!
Agreed , Very OVer the top, but we are looking poor
Always respect your view but really was he worse than jj Stephens Hollands yann honest
Mate, the thing is that Stephens, Hollands and Yann had difficulty because we didn't play how we can. As a midfielder u need to be brought into the game or go looking for it. When we play long ball, midfielders and forwards struggle. The game passes them by. As a defender, wilsons defending is pretty poor. He can put a foot in but his positional play is dire. With the ball he looked terrible. As a new starter in a derby I'm willing to put it down to nerves, but I've got little faith in him.
I'm gonna get dug out and told I'm using him as a scapegoat but he is not champ level and I hope wiggins and solly remain our full backs.
What is really starting to concern me is that since about Jan of this year, we just seem unable to play a game where its not 1 dimensional - ie a big hoof up to Kermy. Would have thought that the management team would have a plan b - however it just doesnt change. Is it time to start questioning the management?
It's only 4 games this season!
Being Pedantic , its 5 games , however, as i said, this has been happening since mid last season - its just that last season other teams werent good enough to capitalise.
Quick views because I need to go and abuse my body to get over that;
midfield bar Stephens totally non-existent.
Our one dimensional hoof-ball just doesn't work. I have no idea why we attempt it repeatedly when it doesn't work especially when our midfield aren't pressing enough to ever win a second ball.
Palace fans are despicable cowards. My Mum was attempting to park her car behind the west stand and it took steward intervention to get Nigels to stop banging and jumping on her car. Why choose to intimidate a non aggressive woman on her own? Reminiscent of the Sydenham train incident. Scum.
And how can they pretend that derby means nothing to them when they are obviously so smug about it?!
It's a very steep learning curve. Only Powell's second full season in charge and the first at this level and most of the players first season at this level for a while. The team was screaming for some width and Green did turn the screw when he came on. Fantastic save by Speroni from Fuller, unlucky from Hamer, dreadful from the West stand lino. Just a wretched night which we have to take on the chin and learn from. We will get better and move onwards and upwards. However I refuse to congratulate Palace. Fans already saying we're going down - yeah 5 games in, just a mere 41 to go. Mugs. Come on SCP, thinking cap on and let's give Derby a game.
Powell needs to learn quickly and I'm sure he will.
We can all see the midfield is an issue in the step up to the Championship. He needs to address if with whatever funds he has available for a loan move and then maybe something in January.
Steep learning curve for everybody after the walk in the park last season.
Someone earlier on said there's no need to panic? You sure. What have you been watching the past few weeks? I've been to every game so far and have every reason to panic unless we get some wingers
Pritchard and jackson, not knocking these two but jackson nor pritchard isn't championship class, fed up with people saying to be loyal due to what he did last season, if we carry on playing both him and pritchard in wide positions we will soon find ourselves at the bottom, ill even take wagstaff over them out wide, at least he can attempt to take a man on.
You won't understand how fucking pissed off I am, this was clearly going to happen ever since the leicester game, only the results have put a paper bag over how poor our midfield really is.
I'm with you 100% on this one !!!
I've been to every game so far this season & have been saying this since the 1st half v Brum & even came on here & said that if Green had come on with 10 mins to go in that game we would have won 1-0 as we would have kept the ball better. I've decided not to go to any more awat games all the time Powell persists with this stupid & ineffectual line-up.
Interesting reading and it would appear that at last the majority on here are coming to realise that the midfield is the problem. They wernt great last year in my opinion but we got away with it because individually there is quality but as a unit they stink. I know I will get slated but I am pissed off enough not to care. Jackson is far to slow for this league and so is Hollands. Pritchard is a lovely little footballer but too lightweight for the buffeting that this league will provide. Stephens baffles me. 2.5 million my arse. Green won't perform consistently although he looked good in his short cameo tonight. Is Waggy any different ? No idea if Kerkar can cut it. Not much left. If we can't add to what we have then I am seriously concerned bout relegation. SCP also needs to think beyond hoofball. Tonight in all honest we were crap.
Wilson struggled against Zaha. But then so did Wiggins before he went off - Zaha turned him over countless times in the first 15 mins. I've seldom seen Wiggins have such a difficult time defensively (alhough going forward he did put in one fantastic cross that floated beyond the far post after about ten mins)
Give the lad Wilson a break. Zaha was a handful for anyone tonight.
Interesting reading and it would appear that at last the majority on here are coming to realise that the midfield is the problem. They wernt great last year in my opinion but we got away with it because individually there is quality but as a unit they stink. I know I will get slated but I am pissed off enough not to care. Jackson is far to slow for this league and so is Hollands. Pritchard is a lovely little footballer but too lightweight for the buffeting that this league will provide. Stephens baffles me. 2.5 million my arse. Green won't perform consistently although he looked good in his short cameo tonight. Is Waggy any different ? No idea if Kerkar can cut it. Not much left. If we can't add to what we have then I am seriously concerned bout relegation. SCP also needs to think beyond hoofball. Tonight in all honest we were crap.
Changed your tune, last week you seemed to think Jackson was a good player and I was an arsehole to criticise him ?
The current starting 11 has a solid look about it but at the expense of some creativity. think powelly needs to be a bit bolder at home and green has certainly given him something to think about. away to derby think powell will keep it solid tho. possibly replace pritchard with green & evina for wiggins. fuller is pushing for a start especially after yanns performance tonight. dont think we should panic just yet lets see where we are after 10 games.
Question the management? Seriously? That was SCP's SIXTH game in charge at this level. He is still learning his trade and pitting his wits against some very good sides. However much we hate Palace and their muggy fans they outplayed us tonight and we have to realise this division will be incredibly difficult indeed.
Interesting reading and it would appear that at last the majority on here are coming to realise that the midfield is the problem. They wernt great last year in my opinion but we got away with it because individually there is quality but as a unit they stink. I know I will get slated but I am pissed off enough not to care. Jackson is far to slow for this league and so is Hollands. Pritchard is a lovely little footballer but too lightweight for the buffeting that this league will provide. Stephens baffles me. 2.5 million my arse. Green won't perform consistently although he looked good in his short cameo tonight. Is Waggy any different ? No idea if Kerkar can cut it. Not much left. If we can't add to what we have then I am seriously concerned bout relegation. SCP also needs to think beyond hoofball. Tonight in all honest we were crap.
Interesting reading and it would appear that at last the majority on here are coming to realise that the midfield is the problem. They wernt great last year in my opinion but we got away with it because individually there is quality but as a unit they stink. I know I will get slated but I am pissed off enough not to care. Jackson is far to slow for this league and so is Hollands. Pritchard is a lovely little footballer but too lightweight for the buffeting that this league will provide. Stephens baffles me. 2.5 million my arse. Green won't perform consistently although he looked good in his short cameo tonight. Is Waggy any different ? No idea if Kerkar can cut it. Not much left. If we can't add to what we have then I am seriously concerned bout relegation. SCP also needs to think beyond hoofball. Tonight in all honest we were crap.
Changed your tune, last week you seemed to think Jackson was a good player and I was an arsehole to criticise him ?
He is a good player but to accommodate him you need the right players to allow for his lack of pace. We have none. He is therefore a liability as things stand.
Interesting reading and it would appear that at last the majority on here are coming to realise that the midfield is the problem. They wernt great last year in my opinion but we got away with it because individually there is quality but as a unit they stink. I know I will get slated but I am pissed off enough not to care. Jackson is far to slow for this league and so is Hollands. Pritchard is a lovely little footballer but too lightweight for the buffeting that this league will provide. Stephens baffles me. 2.5 million my arse. Green won't perform consistently although he looked good in his short cameo tonight. Is Waggy any different ? No idea if Kerkar can cut it. Not much left. If we can't add to what we have then I am seriously concerned bout relegation. SCP also needs to think beyond hoofball. Tonight in all honest we were crap.
Changed your tune, last week you seemed to think Jackson was a good player and I was an arsehole to criticise him ?
He is a good player but to accommodate him you need the right players to allow for his lack of pace. We have none. He is therefore a liability as things stand.
Accommodating is essentially the same as carrying a player, we need 4 players who are capable and I don't feel Jackson is one, however, I would give him a chance at CM
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Pritchard and jackson, not knocking these two but jackson nor pritchard isn't championship class, fed up with people saying to be loyal due to what he did last season, if we carry on playing both him and pritchard in wide positions we will soon find ourselves at the bottom, ill even take wagstaff over them out wide, at least he can attempt to take a man on.
You won't understand how fucking pissed off I am, this was clearly going to happen ever since the leicester game, only the results have put a paper bag over how poor our midfield really is.
palace who will be bottom half tore us a new one and gratefully they backed off and invited us on to them rather than going for the jugular cos it could have been more
wilson put a few good balls in but defensively i thought he was junk
don't like any of that starting midfield atm they're gonna have to improve to make a dent on this division
i like green he has ability but for him to play we may be more open at the back
who knows what the solution is
our support was woeful any other club would have tried to lift the team in a derby match but even tho a few tried we usually need goals before we get going
i thought the palace fans, as manufactured as you wanna call it, made a bit of an atmosphere , i mean a whole away end with 3k joining in with a song is something we might achieve one day
0% top 6 ...... 10% 7th-12th ..... 65% 13th-21st ....25% chance of relegation ...lets buy in january and we wont go there
Thought stephens played well tonight. Pritch and jj had poor nights. Solly still quality on the other side. Yann was quieter than normal. Bwp worked hard once again. Still don't know how hamers header didn't go in. Roof would have came off if that went in.
It did kick off at the station but I just see the police steaming in. Think a few palace came round our side.
Jacko is being found out which is such a shame.
We are never going to win games with no width and nobody to supply the strikers. Long balls is all we had tonight and it's not good enough.
As a defender, wilsons defending is pretty poor. He can put a foot in but his positional play is dire. With the ball he looked terrible. As a new starter in a derby I'm willing to put it down to nerves, but I've got little faith in him.
I'm gonna get dug out and told I'm using him as a scapegoat but he is not champ level and I hope wiggins and solly remain our full backs.
midfield bar Stephens totally non-existent.
Our one dimensional hoof-ball just doesn't work. I have no idea why we attempt it repeatedly when it doesn't work especially when our midfield aren't pressing enough to ever win a second ball.
Palace fans are despicable cowards. My Mum was attempting to park her car behind the west stand and it took steward intervention to get Nigels to stop banging and jumping on her car. Why choose to intimidate a non aggressive woman on her own? Reminiscent of the Sydenham train incident. Scum.
And how can they pretend that derby means nothing to them when they are obviously so smug about it?!
No.
Powell needs to learn quickly and I'm sure he will.
We can all see the midfield is an issue in the step up to the Championship. He needs to address if with whatever funds he has available for a loan move and then maybe something in January.
Steep learning curve for everybody after the walk in the park last season.
I'm with you 100% on this one !!!
I've been to every game so far this season & have been saying this since the 1st half v Brum & even came on here & said that if Green had come on with 10 mins to go in that game we would have won 1-0 as we would have kept the ball better. I've decided not to go to any more awat games all the time Powell persists with this stupid & ineffectual line-up.
What have you seen in the last 4 games which gives you hope for the next 4 games? You can see why people are getting worried
Give the lad Wilson a break. Zaha was a handful for anyone tonight.