I hate both clubs with equal intensity but for different reasons. It may be an irrational hatred but supporting a football club avidly is pretty irrational.
I hate both clubs with equal intensity but for different reasons. It may be an irrational hatred but supporting a football club avidly is pretty irrational.
That's actually a really good point!!
It is. When you think about it, it's bloody ridiculous people getting so passionate & attached to a football club whilst spending thousands upon thousands of pounds following grown men up & down the country kicking a ball around. Odd behaviour. But wouldn't change it for a thing!
Just can't find the hatred for Millwall as I do for Palarse. It is inborn in my blood to hate this strange bunch from Croydon. Obviously, it all stems back to 1985-92 and before. Anyone remember 1983 (I think), when we lost 2-0 to the Nigels and we all went on the rampage around the streets of SE25 terrorizing the locals? And pre match we took the Albion over? Great days. I think my hatred for Palarse also relates to their antics in the 70's, when they thought they were something and soon learned that they were nothing. Stamford Bridge (the kung fu kick) and Tooting and Mitchem spring to mind. Roll on the 14th!
I posted the following on another thread last month. Various people agreed with me. One called me a 'tree hugger'. Apt, as I like trees. Quite simply, the support base of any UK-based football team mirrors that of society, i.e. some decent people and some who see fit only to castigate and snarl and sneer. To think of everyone who supports another team as inherently inferior smacks of ignorance. Anyway, here's what I posted:
"Just a little thought about football rivalry, folks. I see and hear the words 'Despise', 'Scum' and 'Hate' mentioned in relation to supporters of our neighbouring clubs. Can we not accept that we, for whatever reason, support Charlton Athletic, and, meanwhile, others choose - for whatever reason - to support Crystal Palace, Millwall, or whoever? I'm all for friendly banter, ribbing, bragging rights, etc, but is there not enough strife in the world already? Remember, please, that it was not the Palace fans that had us move to Selhurst Park. It was a financial decision, decided upon by the management of the time. Football fans have a common enemy - the commercial greed that pervades the modern game and has driven many clubs to the wall. I humbly suggest that we leave hatred out of it, and let the football do the talking".
I posted the following on another thread last month. Various people agreed with me. One called me a 'tree hugger'. Apt, as I like trees. Quite simply, the support base of any UK-based football team mirrors that of society, i.e. some decent people and some who see fit only to castigate and snarl and sneer. To think of everyone who supports another team as inherently inferior smacks of ignorance. Anyway, here's what I posted:
"Just a little thought about football rivalry, folks. I see and hear the words 'Despise', 'Scum' and 'Hate' mentioned in relation to supporters of our neighbouring clubs. Can we not accept that we, for whatever reason, support Charlton Athletic, and, meanwhile, others choose - for whatever reason - to support Crystal Palace, Millwall, or whoever? I'm all for friendly banter, ribbing, bragging rights, etc, but is there not enough strife in the world already? Remember, please, that it was not the Palace fans that had us move to Selhurst Park. It was a financial decision, decided upon by the management of the time. Football fans have a common enemy - the commercial greed that pervades the modern game and has driven many clubs to the wall. I humbly suggest that we leave hatred out of it, and let the football do the talking".
In times gone by Millwall and Charlton used to share their fans with supporters spending one saturday at the valley and the other at the Den, in a way Millwall are the black sheep of the family but are family nevertheless. Palace, I'll never forgive for the Selhurst years, initially aiming to close us down and then just fleecing us and thier fans treating us like shit. But for me I would like them both in the same division as us and us to tonk them on a regular basis, although that does rarely happen.
True. My dad used to do this with his mates when in the early fifties, but soon became an Addick due to Bartram and the rest. Rivalry is what football is based on, but it is an individual thing based on our own perception of rival. i would never want to see any other club go out of business, BUT i do revel in my rivals demise. it still gives me pleasure to see wendies and utd lose. No issues with Rotherham, Barnsley or Chesterfield whatsoever, as they are not even considered rivals even when in the same league.
Anna_kissed ... like it or not ... football is a 'tribal' game and always will be. The love / hate relationship is a key factor in this. Trying to convert people's relationship with football to a liberal lovey-dovey environment will never work ... thankfully.
Most fans will always talk about certain other clubs from a 'hate' perspective ... whether they really mean the true meaning of hate (and some do) is actually irrelevant ... it's all part and parcel of our great game.
Back to the original issue, I have never liked, nor will ever like, Millwall ... but the last thing I want is for that club to disappear. However, with Palace I personally could not care less if the club disintegrated completely.
I hate the clubs, not the supporters. I believe it is OK to hate CPFC. As said, Millwall know their place but Palace don't. I seem to remember 'team of the eighties' etc. These are grey clubs with no history and no class.
It's funny that the biggest hooligan club in the country doesn't have a hate fuelled rivalry with it's two closest rival clubs.
And Im not sure it's case of Millwall 'knowing their place' in relation to Charlton, just a case of Millwall fans not basing their perception of themselves in terms of on the pitch success or crowd size compared to anyone else, not even local rivals.
As football got more and more tribal (as others have pointed out in the 50s south Londoners often went to both the Den and the Valley) I guess Millwall focused on hooligan rivalries, rather than purely football ones.
It's fair to say that the intensity of the crowd for the visit of Palace or Charlton has always been a notch below what it is for the visits of West Ham, Chelsea, Leeds, Cardiff, Birmingham City and even the likes of Stoke, Forest and Swansea.
Perhaps why Charlton and Palace fans often comment on The Den not being that intimidating or in the case of Palace thinking our mob doesn't show at Selhurst because they're 'scared'.
Having said that, really looking forward to the match with you lot at The Den - as I missed the last one. My game of the season this year.
These are grey clubs with no history and no class.
Hope you're not refering to the club that pioneered professional football in the south, football in the community, woman's football and the only club to have been unbeaten at home for a whole season in 4 different divisions, the most successful FA Cup side never to have won it or the only south London club to have played in a proper European fixture and the official record holders of most ticket sales for a game at both the old and new Wembley's?
These are grey clubs with no history and no class.
Hope you're not refering to the club that pioneered professional football in the south, football in the community, woman's football and the only club to have been unbeaten at home for a whole season in 4 different divisions, the most successful FA Cup side never to have won it or the only south London club to have played in a proper European fixture and the official record holders of most ticket sales for a game at both the old and new Wembley's?
It's fair to say that the intensity of the crowd for the visit of Palace or Charlton has always been a notch below what it is for the visits of West Ham, Chelsea, Leeds, Cardiff, Birmingham City and even the likes of Stoke, Forest and Swansea.
So how come you sold out against us two seasons ago - was it all the Charlton fans who couldn't get tickets in the away end?
These are grey clubs with no history and no class.
Hope you're not refering to the club that pioneered professional football in the south, football in the community, woman's football and the only club to have been unbeaten at home for a whole season in 4 different divisions, the most successful FA Cup side never to have won it or the only south London club to have played in a proper European fixture and the official record holders of most ticket sales for a game at both the old and new Wembley's?
as bad as palace trying to make out you dont care about us
These are grey clubs with no history and no class.
Hope you're not refering to the club that pioneered professional football in the south, football in the community, woman's football and the only club to have been unbeaten at home for a whole season in 4 different divisions, the most successful FA Cup side never to have won it or the only south London club to have played in a proper European fixture and the official record holders of most ticket sales for a game at both the old and new Wembley's?
Brilliant, 5 minutes after claiming "Just a case of Millwall fans not basing their perception of themselves in terms of on the pitch success or crowd size"
On a number of occasions the question has been posed 'why do Millwall supporters call themselves 'Wall''. The answer, like Millwall supporters, is very simple (according to Wankipedia) . The original Millwall supporters were said to be 'as thick as a brick'. This lack of mental agility continues to this day (see the famous Stuwall thread.) When collected together, many bricks make a wall. The rest is history:-)
Hey, hey @Bunny is back for some more Millwall based fun and japes.
Now Bunny, can you please clear this up for us once and for all as we're confused given your initial claim to be a woman then strangely morphing into some 6'6", all action, Jean Claude Van Damme-a-like passing out signed autographs to Balkan fans of Millwall's off pitch antics.
It's a simple enough question, are you a man or a woman? Maybe a bit of both, is that it?
...'course the alternative is that you're just on the wind up I suppose but that would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
i work with quite a few Millwall fans and funny as it might seem they dont mind us at the valley,they always say we are not a threat,but they are always slaging off the Hammers and Nigels
Indifferent about Millwall although obviously happy to watch them lose. Not from South London so don't feel the same sense of tribalism as many on here. But my dad always taught me to hate Palace. As a rational adult I now find it really odd but interesting that my blood boils when I see a red and blue striped shirt or car sticker.
Plus, My hatred partly comes from a school bully supporting Palace. Their pain is his pain. I like to think of him in pain.
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Most fans will always talk about certain other clubs from a 'hate' perspective ... whether they really mean the true meaning of hate (and some do) is actually irrelevant ... it's all part and parcel of our great game.
Back to the original issue, I have never liked, nor will ever like, Millwall ... but the last thing I want is for that club to disappear. However, with Palace I personally could not care less if the club disintegrated completely.
And Im not sure it's case of Millwall 'knowing their place' in relation to Charlton, just a case of Millwall fans not basing their perception of themselves in terms of on the pitch success or crowd size compared to anyone else, not even local rivals.
As football got more and more tribal (as others have pointed out in the 50s south Londoners often went to both the Den and the Valley) I guess Millwall focused on hooligan rivalries, rather than purely football ones.
It's fair to say that the intensity of the crowd for the visit of Palace or Charlton has always been a notch below what it is for the visits of West Ham, Chelsea, Leeds, Cardiff, Birmingham City and even the likes of Stoke, Forest and Swansea.
Perhaps why Charlton and Palace fans often comment on The Den not being that intimidating or in the case of Palace thinking our mob doesn't show at Selhurst because they're 'scared'.
Having said that, really looking forward to the match with you lot at The Den - as I missed the last one. My game of the season this year.
"Pioneered" is bit of a strong word.
Intensity my arse.
I've checked the Wembley website and can't find the 'official' record ticket page.
However I did find a nice link to 'Wembleys greatest events', so thanks for that.
Well done on being successful losers.
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However Bunny has just made Millwall look like a bunch of deluded cocks.
Still hate Palace a lot though - they have no purpose at all.
When collected together, many bricks make a wall. The rest is history:-)
Now Bunny, can you please clear this up for us once and for all as we're confused given your initial claim to be a woman then strangely morphing into some 6'6", all action, Jean Claude Van Damme-a-like passing out signed autographs to Balkan fans of Millwall's off pitch antics.
It's a simple enough question, are you a man or a woman? Maybe a bit of both, is that it?
...'course the alternative is that you're just on the wind up I suppose but that would be ridiculous wouldn't it?
Plus, My hatred partly comes from a school bully supporting Palace. Their pain is his pain. I like to think of him in pain.