Hamer Solly Morrison Cort Wiggins Pritchard Stephens Hollands Kerkar Kermorgant Fuller -------- Be a very strong bench then aswell, BWP/Haynes with the pace, Jacko will cope better against tired players and can be a calming influence, Green/Waggy will tear tired full backs a new one.
I like the look of that team subs: Button,Wilson,Dervite,Haynes,Green,BWP,Jackson
We need to get back to basics with side that started season, or with waggy, Kerkar or both. Put diamond on back burner, two banks of four and step out when ball goes back. Plan B is 4-5-1, plan C to wait for a fit Fuller but may see Yann on bench as he is lazy high ball option.
There are a number of flaws in this team which need sorting, bar the birmingham game where I thought we were brilliant we've been lucky that these flaws haven't been made much more obvious
We havent played any sh*t teams yet in this division. One win one loss two draws. Pulled back to make 2-1 out of what could have been a humiliating tonking. Not too downhearted. Our support sounded mighty.
Powell's reaction to this game that we got beat by a better team probably is a veiled message to the board that we need better players and that the transfer window gave very disappointing outcomes for him and the team. It's probably a case of loanees although we know he prefers signings but his reaction showed his frustration so soon after the deadline. He will need to galvanise his team and have a siege mentality about him something along the lines of being stronger when we work together and support each other. There is little purpose to berating Jackson and Hamer unless you have someone else you can bring on to better them.There should be no confidence drop after one game.
CP rather than hinting he needs players needs to hold his hand up. He has cocked up on diamond and we've lost focus. Only seen 2.5 games not all this formation but I think he has us attacking and defending with same shape. Either that or we can't revert to defending quick enough. Our players are mostly good enough but wouldn't reject better ones.
We need to adopt the Curbs approach of "leagues within leagues" to ensure avoiding relegation.
Peterborough, Barnsley, Crystal Palace, Bristol City, Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday are games we MUST, at the very least, avoid defeat in. Burnley, Watford, Millwall and Derby are other games we need to target getting something.
Anything else we pick up will be a welcome bonus with our midfield.
That said I think we probably will avoid relegation but to aspire towards much more is unrealistic for us.
We need to adopt the Curbs approach of "leagues within leagues" to ensure avoiding relegation.
Peterborough, Barnsley, Crystal Palace, Bristol City, Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday are games we MUST, at the very least, avoid defeat in. Burnley, Watford, Millwall and Derby are other games we need to target getting something.
Anything else we pick up will be a welcome bonus with our midfield.
That said I think we probably will avoid relegation but to aspire towards much more is unrealistic for us.
This is a tough, tough league.
We won't be relegated. We have conceded only four goals so far against four of the best teams in the league,two who are still receiving the dregs of a 36 million parachute payment. Our weakness is still the same as last year, the midfield, we need two new players in there then mid-table will be easy
First half was painful to watch. Forest had way too much for us and it looked like men against boys. Needed a tactical switch much earlier than it came. When a side finds itself in that sort of situation an extra man in midfield is usually a sure way of stemming the tide. Hamer was clearly at fault for the goal and it badly effected him, he looked very very nervous throughout the rest of the half.
Second half was marginally better. Have to say Forest definitely took their foot off the gas though. Having said that the 4-5-1 was much better than this ridiculous diamond formation.
As already said, Fuller looks quality. Whether he'll be able to do that in any more than cameo appearances remains to be seen.
Clear for all that we are crying out for some quality in the centre of midfield. Hollands and Pritchard just weren't in it today. Hopefully we can do something in the loan market.
I won't write Jackson off just yet, but have to say, I had concerns about his ability to step up and at the moment they look well founded. He looks a yard short and his passing has gone to pot completely.
The Cook on the right situation just baffled me. He is a left sided player or a forward. We have Danny Green sitting on the bench so why aren't we playing him?
Worried about whether we have enough goals in the side at this level. Unless Fuller stays fit we may have an issue.
Positives - both fullbacks stuck at it defensively despite a total lack of protection. Solly also tried to get forward in the second half.
Is it just me, but do all of the sides we have played so far look much bigger than us physically?.
Not just you.
Look at the way little Wiggins was brushed aside and knocked to the floor like a tiny child during the build up towards Forest's second goal.
That said Charlton teams have never been the biggest physically in my memory.
SUN : "woeful Charlton ... were outfought and out classed"
MAIL ONLINE: "Charlton arrived at the City Ground also unbeaten ... but never looked like returning to south London with that record intact, rarely worrying Camp in the Forest goal until it was too late"
On the tactical side, we started with the 4-4-2 Diamond, with Hollands at the base, Pritchard on the right, Jackson on the left & Cook at the point in behind the front 2. Forest use a orthodox 4-4-2, with Reid drifting in from the left. With no width in the Diamond, we allowed their full backs to get out and gave Reid all the space he needed to dictate the pattern of play, and they passed through us. Cox and Blackstock often pulled wide into the space on their left as Reid moved inside and they overloaded us in a number of areas creating 2v1 & 3v2 situations. We were totally out-played and were fortunate Forest failed to take advantage (their goal was a ricket by Hamer).
CP changed it on 35 mins, pulling BWP wide on the right, abandoning the Diamond for 4-5-1, with Cook moving to left midfield outside of a Pritchard-Hollands-Jackson Central Midfield, which at least stopped the bleeding. However, with Kermit up front on his own, we were easily contained and never really got forward with any purpose.
After the second goal, the Fuller-Kerkar double substitution for BWP & Hollands forced another switch to a 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 system, with Haynes as the third attacker ( after replacing Cook). We then got going, Fuller started running at the Forest Back Four, Kerkar got crosses in from the left, Solly got down the right and Haynes got in behind. With Forest hanging-on at the end, we finished on a good positive note to take us into the derby. At 0-2 we kept going and didn't buckle, which was good to see.
IMO we don't have the players to play the Diamond or at least this line-up doesn't look capable. The player at the point should be the best attacking midfielder/striker In the team or a continental no.10, Cook looked lost in the role, as he did at Gillingham in pre-season. Only Hollands looked steady, in the defensive role in front of a solid central defence. We are leaving the full backs exposed to 2v1 situations too often.
Tutt-Tutt is spot on.
I have to say my hero Chris Powell got this one badly wrong. I said in the preview that Forest revolve around the tremendous Andy Reid & if we can stop him we could win.
However, we did the complete opposite & had let Reid totally run the show.
I can't believe how Reid ran up & down all 1st half leaving Pritchard in his wake. Even if Pritchard was outclassed (he was), there was no reason for him to let Reid consistently outpace him. Was Pritchard fit ?
Cook unfortunately looked totally out of his depth. Hardly touched the ball (like Pritchard) & when he did he lost it nearly every time.
As Reid was running the game (my worst but oh so obvious fear) the ball never came down our left so Jackson also hardly got a kick in the 1st half.
Basically Pritchard, Cook & Jackson hardly got a kick. Hollands was ok.
We should have lost by more, but I have to say their 1st goal was never a free kick to them & their 2nd goal was a foul against us, which wasn't given.
Only plus points were Fuller who was tremendous & turned the game on it's head. Kerkar was good.
On the tactical side, we started with the 4-4-2 Diamond, with Hollands at the base, Pritchard on the right, Jackson on the left & Cook at the point in behind the front 2. Forest use a orthodox 4-4-2, with Reid drifting in from the left. With no width in the Diamond, we allowed their full backs to get out and gave Reid all the space he needed to dictate the pattern of play, and they passed through us. Cox and Blackstock often pulled wide into the space on their left as Reid moved inside and they overloaded us in a number of areas creating 2v1 & 3v2 situations. We were totally out-played and were fortunate Forest failed to take advantage (their goal was a ricket by Hamer).
CP changed it on 35 mins, pulling BWP wide on the right, abandoning the Diamond for 4-5-1, with Cook moving to left midfield outside of a Pritchard-Hollands-Jackson Central Midfield, which at least stopped the bleeding. However, with Kermit up front on his own, we were easily contained and never really got forward with any purpose.
After the second goal, the Fuller-Kerkar double substitution for BWP & Hollands forced another switch to a 4-4-2 to 4-3-3 system, with Haynes as the third attacker ( after replacing Cook). We then got going, Fuller started running at the Forest Back Four, Kerkar got crosses in from the left, Solly got down the right and Haynes got in behind. With Forest hanging-on at the end, we finished on a good positive note to take us into the derby. At 0-2 we kept going and didn't buckle, which was good to see.
IMO we don't have the players to play the Diamond or at least this line-up doesn't look capable. The player at the point should be the best attacking midfielder/striker In the team or a continental no.10, Cook looked lost in the role, as he did at Gillingham in pre-season. Only Hollands looked steady, in the defensive role in front of a solid central defence. We are leaving the full backs exposed to 2v1 situations too often.
Tutt-Tutt is spot on.
I have to say my hero Chris Powell got this one badly wrong. I said in the preview that Forest revolve around the tremendous Andy Reid & if we can stop him we could win.
However, we did the complete opposite & had let Reid totally run the show.
I can't believe how Reid ran up & down all 1st half leaving Pritchard in his wake. Even if Pritchard was outclassed (he was), there was no reason for him to let Reid consistently outpace him. Was Pritchard fit ?
Cook unfortunately looked totally out of his depth. Hardly touched the ball (like Pritchard) & when he did he lost it nearly every time.
As Reid was running the game (my worst but oh so obvious fear) the ball never came down our left so Jackson also hardly got a kick in the 1st half.
Basically Pritchard, Cook & Jackson hardly got a kick. Hollands was ok.
We should have lost by more, but I have to say their 1st goal was never a free kick to them & their 2nd goal was a foul against us, which wasn't given.
Only plus points were Fuller who was tremendous & turned the game on it's head. Kerkar was good.
Defence did well (Hamer looked dodgy).
BWP & Kermy didn't get a look in.
No more diamond formations please Chris.
Finally, I have to say I was very disappointed that with Reid being the man to stop we did nothing. I hadn't come up with a plan, it's not up to me, but I expected us to man mark him, perhaps with Hollands. Stop him & I think you stop most of Forest's threat. But we didn't seem to have a scooby.
SUN : "woeful Charlton ... were outfought and out classed"
WE'RE STILL 17TH, THOUGH!
Seriously, I agree with Covered End. I do hope diamonds are not forever. Different quality of strikers, of course, but I couldn't help noticing that all five goals in the Man U v Soton game came from wide men getting crosses in from good angles.
Seriously, I agree with Covered End. I do hope diamonds are not forever. Different quality of strikers, of course, but I couldn't help noticing that all five goals in the Man U v Soton game came from wide men getting crosses in from good angles.
Apparently not according to the two people who have already asked this.
I think there may be, by the standards of this division. Three, probably.
Only two people? ;-)
As long as there are three poor teams we'll be okay, but before the season started, I thought the general view was that it wasn't much of a step up.
Id say the first 4 games for us have shown that the step up is not that great unless you were expecting every team who gets promoted to do it straight away again?
Wasn't there can't comment but wonder if the shenanigans of last week re Stephens and Solly affected us, especially Stephens pulling out of travelling the day before.
Wasn't there can't comment but wonder if the shenanigans of last week re Stephens and Solly affected us, especially Stephens pulling out of travelling the day before.
Must have done, Large. Have a Forest mate out here and told him three times last week that it was 'bite yer hand off for a point' time.
Two weeks to get over it, and get Fuller integrated. Looking forward to Palace.
I have to say my hero Chris Powell got this one badly wrong. I said in the preview that Forest revolve around the tremendous Andy Reid & if we can stop him we could win.
However, we did the complete opposite & had let Reid totally run the show.
I can't believe how Reid ran up & down all 1st half leaving Pritchard in his wake. Even if Pritchard was outclassed (he was), there was no reason for him to let Reid consistently outpace him. Was Pritchard fit ?
Cook unfortunately looked totally out of his depth. Hardly touched the ball (like Pritchard) & when he did he lost it nearly every time.
As Reid was running the game (my worst but oh so obvious fear) the ball never came down our left so Jackson also hardly got a kick in the 1st half.
Basically Pritchard, Cook & Jackson hardly got a kick. Hollands was ok.
We should have lost by more, but I have to say their 1st goal was never a free kick to them & their 2nd goal was a foul against us, which wasn't given.
Only plus points were Fuller who was tremendous & turned the game on it's head. Kerkar was good.
Defence did well (Hamer looked dodgy).
BWP & Kermy didn't get a look in.
No more diamond formations please Chris.
Agree with CE except about his half time comments that Solly was our best player, hopelessly exposed he did okay but for the goal free kick he shouldn't have let the player get in front of him. Didn't see any shirt pulling but should've gone down if there was. Solly's not really the worry though.
Lack of depth in the squad highlighted.
Forest could end up top or 8th, who know? We'll know what we are are like after the standard 10 matches.
Wasn't there can't comment but wonder if the shenanigans of last week re Stephens and Solly affected us, especially Stephens pulling out of travelling the day before.
Its easy enough to blame that, but you could blatently see the problems in the team in the hull game and even in the leicester game as well, our midfield seriously needs to be looked over. Pritchard isn't a right mid
Jackson isn't a left mid, only a centre mid if played along side two others
And we have No creativity or defence opening passes coming from the midfield, if only the andy reid type players were easy to find!
Wasn't there can't comment but wonder if the shenanigans of last week re Stephens and Solly affected us, especially Stephens pulling out of travelling the day before.
When the Aston Villa deal fell through Stephens should have travelled up and bloody well played, all this cobblers about him not being in the right frame of mind does not come into itCharlton employ him as a player so play him!
Wasn't there can't comment but wonder if the shenanigans of last week re Stephens and Solly affected us, especially Stephens pulling out of travelling the day before.
When the Aston Villa deal fell through Stephens should have travelled up and bloody well played, all this cobblers about him not being in the right frame of mind does not come into itCharlton employ him as a player so play him!
I agree with this but it was CP's decision for him not to travel and he, I'm sure, had a better reading of the situation then us at home.
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Peterborough, Barnsley, Crystal Palace, Bristol City, Huddersfield and Sheffield Wednesday are games we MUST, at the very least, avoid defeat in. Burnley, Watford, Millwall and Derby are other games we need to target getting something.
Anything else we pick up will be a welcome bonus with our midfield.
That said I think we probably will avoid relegation but to aspire towards much more is unrealistic for us.
This is a tough, tough league.
I think there may be, by the standards of this division. Three, probably.
Look at the way little Wiggins was brushed aside and knocked to the floor like a tiny child during the build up towards Forest's second goal.
That said Charlton teams have never been the biggest physically in my memory.
But I do wonder if ''we're still 17th'' is about to become the new ''we're still fifth''?
As long as there are three poor teams we'll be okay, but before the season started, I thought the general view was that it wasn't much of a step up.
MAIL ONLINE: "Charlton arrived at the City Ground also unbeaten ... but never looked like returning to south London with that record intact, rarely worrying Camp in the Forest goal until it was too late"
I have to say my hero Chris Powell got this one badly wrong. I said in the preview that Forest revolve around the tremendous Andy Reid & if we can stop him we could win.
However, we did the complete opposite & had let Reid totally run the show.
I can't believe how Reid ran up & down all 1st half leaving Pritchard in his wake. Even if Pritchard was outclassed (he was), there was no reason for him to let Reid consistently outpace him. Was Pritchard fit ?
Cook unfortunately looked totally out of his depth. Hardly touched the ball (like Pritchard) & when he did he lost it nearly every time.
As Reid was running the game (my worst but oh so obvious fear) the ball never came down our left so Jackson also hardly got a kick in the 1st half.
Basically Pritchard, Cook & Jackson hardly got a kick. Hollands was ok.
We should have lost by more, but I have to say their 1st goal was never a free kick to them & their 2nd goal was a foul against us, which wasn't given.
Only plus points were Fuller who was tremendous & turned the game on it's head. Kerkar was good.
Defence did well (Hamer looked dodgy).
BWP & Kermy didn't get a look in.
No more diamond formations please Chris.
Seriously, I agree with Covered End. I do hope diamonds are not forever. Different quality of strikers, of course, but I couldn't help noticing that all five goals in the Man U v Soton game came from wide men getting crosses in from good angles.
1-0 to me I think !!!!!!!!!!
Two weeks to get over it, and get Fuller integrated. Looking forward to Palace.
Lack of depth in the squad highlighted.
Forest could end up top or 8th, who know? We'll know what we are are like after the standard 10 matches.
Pritchard isn't a right mid
Jackson isn't a left mid, only a centre mid if played along side two others
And we have No creativity or defence opening passes coming from the midfield, if only the andy reid type players were easy to find!