Nothing can be done about the other smokers and it will always be around.. I for one have not smoke in the toilets for a few weeks now since cutting down due to my fitness regime for my entry in to the navy on the 15Th of July.
Maybe they should put one of those attendents you find in bars up town on a friday night with the selection of aftershaves/mints/lolly pops who will wash your hands for you and offer you a towel and also shout at people he catches, he also lives off his tips so it should not cost the club anything ,
Nothing can be done about the other smokers and it will always be around.. I for one have not smoke in the toilets for a few weeks now since cutting down due to my fitness regime for my entry in to the navy on the 15Th of July.
I hope you dont mind but I would like to ask you a question. You say your considering or have joined the Navy, so I would assume your late teens/early twenties and have a good level of intelligence as to your chosen career? (not meant to sound patronising) Now, at your age it was almost a cool thing to do (smoking that is) we had the Marlbro cowboy strutting his stuff, endless advertising and film stars dragging on cigarette. Then came a period of realisation that maybe they arn't really doing you any good, then a period of they are actually killing people. Now I believe (I'm not sure it happens at all schools) they teach children the downfalls of smoking. It is hammered to anyone that will listen and those that wont, it kills people! So my question to you is........... Why do you choose to smoke?
I'm 24. I tried smoking. I did for about 2 months when I was 17. Hated it. Could not understand why anyone did it. Tastes bad, smells bad, feels bad and costs a stupid amount of money. At least with alcohol (& some other drugs) it tastes good/feels good. But smoking?
19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
CafcCrazy">19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
Keep trying to quit . It'll be a lot better for you in lots of ways and good luck with the navy. )
19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
good luck with your career. I think most of us who have smoked wish we'd never started, besides the health issue i must have spent a f*cking fortune before giving up.
The point of the post was to discuss the issue of people smoking in the toliets at the ground, which by the way happens in the lower North as well. As a life long non-smoker and the son of a man who treated the habit as an Olympic event who died at the age of 59 of lung cancer I do have opinions regarding the stupidity of the habit however I also resepct that fact that IT IS NOT ILLEGAL to smoke tobacco and so everyone has their own personal choice to make.
But the fact is whilst it isn't illegal to smoke tobacco it is illegal to smoke in public places, in exactly the same way that drinking alocohol is perfectly legal but becomes illegal when you drive a car with more than 80mg of alcohol in your blood. The rights and wrongs can be discussed but at the moment the half time smokers are breaking the law and its up to the club to stop it otherwise they run the risk of being prosecuted and fined.
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
This.
No - NOT 'this'
You have to be either wifully stupid, blithely ignorant, or on a deliberate wind-up. Irrespective of whether you think it's OK to smoke, and that doing so in a public toilet is quite OK because 'it's only for a little while, and only every couple of weeks', two facts remain. Firstly, it's against the law. Secondly, your 'opinion' on the matter, in this case, is rendered completely moot - because of the first point. If your 'opinion' mattered, then the law wouldn't have been passed, as the majority of people would still consider it acceptable for people to smoke wherever they pleased. They don't - end of discussion. if you want a wider discussion on the ban on smoking in public places as a whole, then why don't you create a separate thread about it (in the 'Not Charlton Related' category)?
Actually if you read the manifesto that the people supposedly voted for, it was not for a total smoking ban, they changed the legislation at the last minute.
I smoke, I manage to do without for ninety minutes, don't see why anyone else can't, but there is an awful lot of holier than thou coming from some on here...
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
This.
No - NOT 'this'
You have to be either wifully stupid, blithely ignorant, or on a deliberate wind-up. Irrespective of whether you think it's OK to smoke, and that doing so in a public toilet is quite OK because 'it's only for a little while, and only every couple of weeks', two facts remain. Firstly, it's against the law. Secondly, your 'opinion' on the matter, in this case, is rendered completely moot - because of the first point. If your 'opinion' mattered, then the law wouldn't have been passed, as the majority of people would still consider it acceptable for people to smoke wherever they pleased. They don't - end of discussion. if you want a wider discussion on the ban on smoking in public places as a whole, then why don't you create a separate thread about it (in the 'Not Charlton Related' category)?
Actually if you read the manifesto that the people supposedly voted for, it was not for a total smoking ban, they changed the legislation at the last minute.
I smoke, I manage to do without for ninety minutes, don't see why anyone else can't, but there is an awful lot of holier than thou coming from some on here...
The thread was started because of a smoking problem in the toilets, it's some of the smokers who seem to have some sort of guilty conscience, and who keep comparing smoking to other “bad” habits. Non-smokers dislike breathing in your smoke while have a slash. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.
Hahaha , Holier than thou is funny. Its a shame all smoker related discussions end up with smokers protecting their cigarettes no matter what, despite the "I don't mind going without , BUT" rhetoric. I'm glad I don't smoke but the baroness smokes so I understand all the issues involved. But Holier than thou is funny. Nice 1:))
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
If a butterfly flaps it wings in the Amazon rain forest it causes an earthquake in Japan according to chaos theory.
However the issue here is smoking.
Smoking is proved to cause cancer and other illnesses in both the smoker and others who have to breathe in secondary smoke. If people choose to smoke then that is their choice but CAFCCrazy and the other toilet smokers are forcing their choice on others.
Smoking also costs the NHS £millions a year, far more than we raise in tax from tobacco.
Those with pre-existing chest conditions will be hit hardest by going into a smoke filling toilet. They will often be children or older people who are more likely to have to use the toilets for their proper purpose more often.
And that is before you mention how it makes clothes stink.
Smoking in the toilets is selfish and against the law. CAFCcrazy can try and make as many excuses as he likes but he is figuratively saying "F*** you, I do what I want and if you don't like it then that's not my problem. Stop whinging and picking on me as a smoker".
As for "Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life." that sounds more like supporting 'wall. : - )
I agree. Just making the point that peoples arguments about their drinking doesn't affect others isn't always true.
The stench of smoke in toilets is disgusting and I wouldn't want an elderly person, a person with chest problems or a child to have to suffer it.
As for a generally fit adult, I can deal with it, but those above can't & shouldn't have to.
19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
I know loads in the forces who smoke like troopers! Especially when based abroad and cigs are half the price. You'll end up smoking more!
19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
I know loads in the forces who smoke like troopers! Especially when based abroad and cigs are half the price. You'll end up smoking more!
It's more for to get at peak fitness to make my militarisation stage of training that little bit easier no guarantees what happens after !
19 years old and yes my joining date is in July, started smoking when I was 13 admittedly due to peer pressure and yes maybe I thought it was cool.. I do regret starting now and hopefully will be able to eventually give up.
I know loads in the forces who smoke like troopers! Especially when based abroad and cigs are half the price. You'll end up smoking more!
It's more for to get at peak fitness to make my militarisation stage of training that little bit easier no guarantees what happens after !
When my friend joined the Army he had to stop smoking for his fitness levels. But I think once he got out to Afgan he was smoking again.
Apart from the bloke next to me in the NU chain smoking for most of the second half, in front of his young child. Plenty of choice language too. But then he was clearly wasted.
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I don't know about Kony and the Invisible Children, this is the true power of social media!
You say your considering or have joined the Navy, so I would assume your late teens/early twenties and have a good level of intelligence as to your chosen career? (not meant to sound patronising)
Now, at your age it was almost a cool thing to do (smoking that is) we had the Marlbro cowboy strutting his stuff, endless advertising and film stars dragging on cigarette. Then came a period of realisation that maybe they arn't really doing you any good, then a period of they are actually killing people. Now I believe (I'm not sure it happens at all schools) they teach children the downfalls of smoking. It is hammered to anyone that will listen and those that wont, it kills people! So my question to you is...........
Why do you choose to smoke?
Hated it. Could not understand why anyone did it.
Tastes bad, smells bad, feels bad and costs a stupid amount of money.
At least with alcohol (& some other drugs) it tastes good/feels good.
But smoking?
I just don't understand it!
Keep trying to quit . It'll be a lot better for you in lots of ways and good luck with the navy.
good luck with your career.
I think most of us who have smoked wish we'd never started, besides the health issue i must have spent a f*cking fortune before giving up.
But the fact is whilst it isn't illegal to smoke tobacco it is illegal to smoke in public places, in exactly the same way that drinking alocohol is perfectly legal but becomes illegal when you drive a car with more than 80mg of alcohol in your blood. The rights and wrongs can be discussed but at the moment the half time smokers are breaking the law and its up to the club to stop it otherwise they run the risk of being prosecuted and fined.
I smoke, I manage to do without for ninety minutes, don't see why anyone else can't, but there is an awful lot of holier than thou coming from some on here...
The stench of smoke in toilets is disgusting and I wouldn't want an elderly person, a person with chest problems or a child to have to suffer it.
As for a generally fit adult, I can deal with it, but those above can't & shouldn't have to.