Have been using an electronic cigarette at the Valley at my seat all season. Nobody (stewards or fans) seem bothered. It does give out vaper which looks like smoke but it doesn't smell or linger and there's no harm to anyone around me.
I think they're saving that for the promotion party.
In all serious though, I have nothing against smoking. Its your choice. I dislike the obvious breaking of the rules, the selfish behaviour at the expense of your fellow Charlton fans and quite possibly the club (as they can be fined).
I would have nothing against a smoking area at the club. As long as the club thought it was beneficial I'd be all for it if it meant putting a stop to smoking in the toilets.
The last thing they should do is attempt to justify what is an addiction. How would smokers feel about going to the toilet for an illicit fag and finding that their favorite trap was occupied by a junkie cooking his smack and strapping his arm up ready to inject a fix?
Hmm, yes, smoking is like heroin. Also imagine going into that toilet and finding someone f*cking a brass, or slitting someones throat. All equally irrelevant
are you suggesting that shagging whores and/or committing murder in a public toilet is an addiction ?. My point is that both nicotine and heroin are addictive and both are 'killers' over the longer term. I suggest that smokers would find the actions of my exemplar smack addict as obnoxious as most c/lifers find the actions of smokers who partake of their particular addiction in a place where it is not allowed .. does that clear up your obvious confusion Addicted? .. or are you like your name a hopeless addict trying to justify the unjustifiable ?
I'm suggesting that they are as irrelevant to the smoking debate as someone shooting up. Didn't think it would confuse you?
I don't feel the need to smoke in the ground, to be honest don't agree with those who do although think considering it is still a legal habit a smoking area might be a more feasible option than some are making out. Only felt compelled to get involved in the discussion once you brought smack into it!
You can also add 'drinking' to your list of long term killers. Legal too!
The club have provided an area specially for drinkers called the bar. No one drinking there is breaking any rules or law. Smokers on the other hand do not have an area provided so when they smoke they are breaking the law. How simple is that.
@addicted I'm suggesting that they are as irrelevant to the smoking debate as someone shooting up. Didn't think it would confuse you?
I don't feel the need to smoke in the ground, to be honest don't agree with those who do although think considering it is still a legal habit a smoking area might be a more feasible option than some are making out. Only felt compelled to get involved in the discussion once you brought smack into it!
You can also add 'drinking' to your list of long term killers. Legal too!
Agreed that I have caricatured the heroin/smoking comparison .. however, read again what I have written. AND, I agree that smoking is still a legal activity, BUT not in the Valley which is a private premises used for public performances/public access and therefore subject also to the ban on smoking in public places just like cinemas, pubs, clubs, trains etc etc .. so there is a time and a place for everything. I disagree that there should be an area devoted to smokers at the Valley. Many more spectators are non smokers than are smokers and many children attend football matches. The children especially should not to subjected to cigarette smoke, no matter how 'passive' those fumes may be. Why should special provision be made for addicts who are incapable for even a couple of hours, of controlling their wants and needs for a nicotine fix
On a serious note, the reason why I think it is banned from the ground is so the place conforms to Health and Safety at Work regulations (eg the reason smokers can't spark up in a boozer is because the smoke is harmful to the bar staff, not necessarily other drinkers). When I worked in the service industry and had to go into people homes, I could refuse to go in if there was smoke in the house from a cig, the same as I could refuse to go in if there was a dangerous dog in the house. Smokers are also banned from smoking in company vans etc...
Smoking is not banned at The Valley though is it ? This thread proves it !
not so ..it simply proves that many people are willing to ignore the ban and that the Club is not prepared to enforce the ban as vigorously as it perhaps should ..
Smoking is not banned at The Valley though is it ? This thread proves it !
Can't see what you mean, it is banned, but people are obviously breaking the rules.
Maybe The Club should be doing more to enforce the ban, but it is banned.
The club have done eff all about the smoking in the North upper toilets for literally years. IMHO they are as at fault over this as the inconsiderate smokers themselves.
On a serious note, the reason why I think it is banned from the ground is so the place conforms to Health and Safety at Work regulations (eg the reason smokers can't spark up in a boozer is because the smoke is harmful to the bar staff, not necessarily other drinkers). When I worked in the service industry and had to go into people homes, I could refuse to go in if there was smoke in the house from a cig, the same as I could refuse to go in if there was a dangerous dog in the house. Smokers are also banned from smoking in company vans etc...
you were saying about the health and safety act that they have to comply with, i was just wondering why at ebbsfleets ground you can smoke anywhere? i know its in the conference so isn’t dictated to by the football league but why would that rule be different if all places of work have to comply with the government law on smoking?
On a serious note, the reason why I think it is banned from the ground is so the place conforms to Health and Safety at Work regulations (eg the reason smokers can't spark up in a boozer is because the smoke is harmful to the bar staff, not necessarily other drinkers). When I worked in the service industry and had to go into people homes, I could refuse to go in if there was smoke in the house from a cig, the same as I could refuse to go in if there was a dangerous dog in the house. Smokers are also banned from smoking in company vans etc...
you were saying about the health and safety act that they have to comply with, i was just wondering why at ebbsfleets ground you can smoke anywhere? i know its in the conference so isn’t dictated to by the football league but why would that rule be different if all places of work have to comply with the government law on smoking?
Because it's complety open maybe and classed as "outdoor"?
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In all serious though, I have nothing against smoking. Its your choice.
I dislike the obvious breaking of the rules, the selfish behaviour at the expense of your fellow Charlton fans and quite possibly the club (as they can be fined).
I would have nothing against a smoking area at the club. As long as the club thought it was beneficial I'd be all for it if it meant putting a stop to smoking in the toilets.
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to be fair its usualy the poor little old lady who collects the pots in the liberal club, but hey ho...
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I don't feel the need to smoke in the ground, to be honest don't agree with those who do although think considering it is still a legal habit a smoking area might be a more feasible option than some are making out. Only felt compelled to get involved in the discussion once you brought smack into it!
You can also add 'drinking' to your list of long term killers. Legal too!
I don't feel the need to smoke in the ground, to be honest don't agree with those who do although think considering it is still a legal habit a smoking area might be a more feasible option than some are making out. Only felt compelled to get involved in the discussion once you brought smack into it!
You can also add 'drinking' to your list of long term killers. Legal too!
Agreed that I have caricatured the heroin/smoking comparison .. however, read again what I have written. AND, I agree that smoking is still a legal activity, BUT not in the Valley which is a private premises used for public performances/public access and therefore subject also to the ban on smoking in public places just like cinemas, pubs, clubs, trains etc etc .. so there is a time and a place for everything. I disagree that there should be an area devoted to smokers at the Valley. Many more spectators are non smokers than are smokers and many children attend football matches. The children especially should not to subjected to cigarette smoke, no matter how 'passive' those fumes may be. Why should special provision be made for addicts who are incapable for even a couple of hours, of controlling their wants and needs for a nicotine fix
Maybe The Club should be doing more to enforce the ban, but it is banned.
not so ..it simply proves that many people are willing to ignore the ban and that the Club is not prepared to enforce the ban as vigorously as it perhaps should ..
Never seen or heard of that either as a East Stand ST Holder or a member of the Safety Advisory Group.