...everyone has a bad habit but most of them are less obvious than smoking.
How do you know this? Has there been a scientific paper looking into it, or perhaps it's in some little known government register, or maybe Richard Scarey's Big Book of Everyone's Habits. I suspect that it is just a vague notion that you (and plenty of others) carry around just to make yourself feel better about your own condition.
As for the comparing smokers to 'Junkies' how ridiculous.
There are a lot of similarities. There tend to be three main sources to both narcotic and tobacco additctions: chemical, social and behavioural. Both smokers and junkies tend to experience positive feelings early on, but find that they can only re-attain this by topping up. Many don't re-experience early 'highs' but find that they need to keep feeding their addiction just to avoid lows. Both let their addictions have a negative impact on their health and other aspects of their lives. Many are in denial as to the consequences of their actions.
No matter how small or bad the habit is everyone has a bad habit no body is perfect you don't need scientists to prove that its human nature and common sense.
Regarding the comparison to junkiies, I'm a big Eric Clapton fan and he's tried pretty much everything. The hardest drug to kick according to his autobiography is cigarettes.
If we knew then what we know now, cigarettes would not be legal. You could say the same for alcohol, but that's been around forever.
No matter how small or bad the habit is everyone has a bad habit no body is perfect you don't need scientists to prove that its human nature and common sense.
yes but, the point people are trying to make is that YOUR habit affects other people.
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
This.
But I wouldn't stick my child in the garage with my engine running would I.
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
This.
No - NOT 'this'
You have to be either wifully stupid, blithely ignorant, or on a deliberate wind-up. Irrespective of whether you think it's OK to smoke, and that doing so in a public toilet is quite OK because 'it's only for a little while, and only every couple of weeks', two facts remain. Firstly, it's against the law. Secondly, your 'opinion' on the matter, in this case, is rendered completely moot - because of the first point. If your 'opinion' mattered, then the law wouldn't have been passed, as the majority of people would still consider it acceptable for people to smoke wherever they pleased. They don't - end of discussion. if you want a wider discussion on the ban on smoking in public places as a whole, then why don't you create a separate thread about it (in the 'Not Charlton Related' category)?
But me drinking doesn't affect anyones health but mine, do you not understand that part?
It may not always affect other peoples health, but it can affect us in one way or the other. The affects of drinking on the body pose long term problems that the NHS may have to deal with, costing us taxes. Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
If a butterfly flaps it wings in the Amazon rain forest it causes an earthquake in Japan according to chaos theory.
However the issue here is smoking.
Smoking is proved to cause cancer and other illnesses in both the smoker and others who have to breathe in secondary smoke. If people choose to smoke then that is their choice but CAFCCrazy and the other toilet smokers are forcing their choice on others.
Smoking also costs the NHS £millions a year, far more than we raise in tax from tobacco.
Those with pre-existing chest conditions will be hit hardest by going into a smoke filling toilet. They will often be children or older people who are more likely to have to use the toilets for their proper purpose more often.
And that is before you mention how it makes clothes stink.
Smoking in the toilets is selfish and against the law. CAFCcrazy can try and make as many excuses as he likes but he is figuratively saying "F*** you, I do what I want and if you don't like it then that's not my problem. Stop whinging and picking on me as a smoker".
As for "Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life." that sounds more like supporting 'wall. : - )
I'm a smoker and go to games with my Mum, who also smokes. Weirdly we can control our urges until after we've left the ground at full-time. Just don't smoke, it's not hard! It's mostly a male thing as well as you don't ever find women huddled in the toilets having a sneaky puff.
I'm not trying to justify my actions as i know what i am doing is wrong all i am saying is The Valley will never tackle this issue for a few years for whatever reason they may have. I would be all for a smoking area but sadly this will not happen either as Charlton will see it as an unnecessary waste of time for them.
So instead of writing and whinging on here try and do something about that, i'm sure if you got a petition together and sent it into the club that would raise some eyebrows. But until the day that happens even if i stop going into the toilets there will always be a select few that will be smoking. So you can moan at me as much as you want but it is not going to make the blindest bit of difference.
I'm not trying to justify my actions as i know what i am doing is wrong
Well it certainly read like you were.
even if i stop going into the toilets there will always be a select few that will be smoking. So you can moan at me as much as you want but it is not going to make the blindest bit of difference.
But that is the point YOU can make a difference. Not me, but YOU. YOU can stop smoking in the toilets and hiding behind excuses that everyone else is doing it.
You say that you know what you are doing is wrong yet you continue to do it when it is in your power to stop. What does that say about you?
To use a quote from the 60s "If you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem".
I'm not trying to justify my actions as i know what i am doing is wrong all i am saying is The Valley will never tackle this issue for a few years for whatever reason they may have. I would be all for a smoking area but sadly this will not happen either as Charlton will see it as an unnecessary waste of time for them.
So instead of writing and whinging on here try and do something about that, i'm sure if you got a petition together and sent it into the club that would raise some eyebrows. But until the day that happens even if i stop going into the toilets there will always be a select few that will be smoking.
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So you want the non smokers to petition the club for a smoking area? or have i got that all wrong?
So you can moan at me as much as you want but it is not going to make the blindest bit of difference.
You don't strike me as the sharpest knife in the... place where they keep the knives.I read that as "I'm a selfish a5shole and chances are nobody will ever do anything about it." - Good luck to you. I will not sign a petition (for whatever odd reason you seem to think we should!), but I'll grass you up if I catch you. Fair?
CafcCrazy....I'm not trying to justify my actions as i know what i am doing ......
BUT......:)) You're right, we shouldn''t be moaning at you as you only smoke for 2 minutes a fortnight in a toilet so pose no health risk to anyone else. Unfortunately a law is a law. I know you'd like to bend it for yourself just as a lot of folks would would like to bend other laws to suit themselves but it just isn't going to happen alas. An earlier post referenced that the smoking ban wasn't applied for pub customers but for the working staff, so I guess if the potential smoking area at Charlton had to be staffed then its obvious.The law will apply.No smoking area! Alas. :0))
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I must remember to visit the bogs more often - I tend to avoid them due to the fog of selfishness.
soft close toilet seats in the NWQ for me please.
There are a lot of similarities. There tend to be three main sources to both narcotic and tobacco additctions: chemical, social and behavioural. Both smokers and junkies tend to experience positive feelings early on, but find that they can only re-attain this by topping up. Many don't re-experience early 'highs' but find that they need to keep feeding their addiction just to avoid lows. Both let their addictions have a negative impact on their health and other aspects of their lives. Many are in denial as to the consequences of their actions.
If we knew then what we know now, cigarettes would not be legal. You could say the same for alcohol, but that's been around forever.
What about everyone that drives cars and pollutes the air we all breathe?
It can all get a little silly, but everyone does something that affects other peoples health.
You have to be either wifully stupid, blithely ignorant, or on a deliberate wind-up. Irrespective of whether you think it's OK to smoke, and that doing so in a public toilet is quite OK because 'it's only for a little while, and only every couple of weeks', two facts remain. Firstly, it's against the law. Secondly, your 'opinion' on the matter, in this case, is rendered completely moot - because of the first point. If your 'opinion' mattered, then the law wouldn't have been passed, as the majority of people would still consider it acceptable for people to smoke wherever they pleased. They don't - end of discussion. if you want a wider discussion on the ban on smoking in public places as a whole, then why don't you create a separate thread about it (in the 'Not Charlton Related' category)?
However the issue here is smoking.
Smoking is proved to cause cancer and other illnesses in both the smoker and others who have to breathe in secondary smoke. If people choose to smoke then that is their choice but CAFCCrazy and the other toilet smokers are forcing their choice on others.
Smoking also costs the NHS £millions a year, far more than we raise in tax from tobacco.
Those with pre-existing chest conditions will be hit hardest by going into a smoke filling toilet. They will often be children or older people who are more likely to have to use the toilets for their proper purpose more often.
And that is before you mention how it makes clothes stink.
Smoking in the toilets is selfish and against the law. CAFCcrazy can try and make as many excuses as he likes but he is figuratively saying "F*** you, I do what I want and if you don't like it then that's not my problem. Stop whinging and picking on me as a smoker".
As for "Let's not forget drinking that leads people to urinate up walls, vandalism, violence etc that all affect other peoples quality of life." that sounds more like supporting 'wall. : - )
If a butterfly flaps it wings in the Amazon rain forest it causes an earthquake in Japan according to chaos theory.
Brilliant...:))
So instead of writing and whinging on here try and do something about that, i'm sure if you got a petition together and sent it into the club that would raise some eyebrows. But until the day that happens even if i stop going into the toilets there will always be a select few that will be smoking. So you can moan at me as much as you want but it is not going to make the blindest bit of difference.
But that is the point YOU can make a difference. Not me, but YOU. YOU can stop smoking in the toilets and hiding behind excuses that everyone else is doing it.
You say that you know what you are doing is wrong yet you continue to do it when it is in your power to stop. What does that say about you?
To use a quote from the 60s "If you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem".
So you want the non smokers to petition the club for a smoking area? or have i got that all wrong?
BUT......:))
You're right, we shouldn''t be moaning at you as you only smoke for 2 minutes a fortnight in a toilet so pose no health risk to anyone else. Unfortunately a law is a law. I know you'd like to bend it for yourself just as a lot of folks would would like to bend other laws to suit themselves but it just isn't going to happen alas. An earlier post referenced that the smoking ban wasn't applied for pub customers but for the working staff, so I guess if the potential smoking area at Charlton had to be staffed then its obvious.The law will apply.No smoking area! Alas.
:0))