I am with Large and Valley Gary on this one, if he comes on a free take him and use him as a squad player, if Reading want a fee for him pack his bag and put him on a train.
Mooney has IMO the potential to be a very effective player at this level. Certainly streets ahead of Akpo if he is affordable within the current restraints then I would be happy to see him sign permanently.
I feel that we may well have missed out on Hoskins who I think will do well. Lets hope we get some sembalance of a team in place soon led by Semedo.
if he's free then i think we should take him on trial and give him the pre-season to prove himself.
if reading want a fee then we should look elsewhere; if worse comes to worse take him back on loan. but i'm certain there are better, affordable, options out there.
[cite]Posted By: superdulvertonred[/cite]Mooney has IMO the potential to be a very effective player at this level. Certainly streets ahead of Akpo if he is affordable within the current restraints then I would be happy to see him sign permanently.
Surely we have given him enough chances to show that potential, what we cannot afford to do is have another season waiting for players to blossom and show us what they can or cannot do otherwise we will all be moaning this time next year that we are still in league 1.
If I was him, I'd sign elsewhere if I could, due to some of our complete TOOL fans.
I'd like him to play next season, I think he's a fantastic prospect - can score goals and make them - seems aware of what is going on, and moreover he gives 100% (unlike so many others), yet gets abused (unlike so many others) EVERY time he makes a mistake.
Some of our impatient, scapegoating sheep-like fans need to think back and think about what certain players in the past lacking some technical abilities did for our club in working for a team and giving their all. Unlike people like Jerome Thomas, Marcus Bent et al who got off relatively scot free.
A fantastic prospect?...he's 26. Seriously, go watch a Kent League game on a saturday and you will see players of the same level as David Mooney. I dunno how he ever made it this far tbh. Granted he gives 100%, and i cant kncok him for that, but as a striker of a L1 club, you gotta have more than commitment.
perhaps a shame to write someone off after a terrible performance when he has also had good performances in more or less his first run of games at this level
Disagree with you Salad. It's not some aimless slating, if he is the best our 'Scouts' can find for the money we have then so be it but he lacks so much. He provides little joy or hope watching him.
As another poster said if he was 19/20 you would have a point but the guy is 26 and is simply not strong enough for the role we need him for at this standard of football.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]A fantastic prospect?...he's 26. Seriously, go watch a Kent League game on a saturday and you will see players of the same level as David Mooney. I dunno how he ever made it this far tbh. Granted he gives 100%, and i cant kncok him for that, but as a striker of a L1 club, you gotta have more than commitment.
agree totally. And Boggzy, no need for the insults mate. We are all entitled to our opinions and just becuase it differs to yours doesn't make me or anyone else a TOOL. Ok ?
[cite]Posted By: superdulvertonred[/cite]Mooney has IMO the potential to be a very effective player at this level. Certainly streets ahead of Akpo if he is affordable within the current restraints then I would be happy to see him sign permanently.
I feel that we may well have missed out on Hoskins who I think will do well. Lets hope we get some sembalance of a team in place soon led by Semedo.
Like I've said before, I hope we look elsewhere before going back for Mooney. He's not terrible, but there might be better options out there.
Do the people that want him back really rate him, or is it down to just not knowing what other options might be? No one would have suggested Richardson, Kyel Reid etc last season but Parky went and brought them in and they turned out good signings.
Can't remember of I mentioned this before, but a Reading mate of mine reckons Mooney is oone of their highest earners (slightky bizarrly). If that's true we were probably only able to sign him becasue Reading were still paying a proportion of his wages. Without him taking a pay-cut it's unlikely we'd be able to afford to sign him outright, fee or free.
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Do the people that want him back really rate him, or is it down to just not knowing what other options might be?
I'd have him back and I genuinely rate the guy. I think he had some very good games for us and got an unfair amount of stick when he didn't play so well - there were games where Bailey (and others) were far worse but escaped the same level of flack.
With a good pre-season and a following wind I think he could make real impact - but we'd have to be set up right and he'd need a partner and midfield capable of spotting his runs and playing the right balls to him. If, as I suspect, we're going to set up to be fairly direct next season then I think he'd be wasted with us, but in agood faootballing, pass and move type side he'd do well I think. He definitely has a lot more about him than any of out other currrent strikers (assuming Burton is off, and even then I think his off the ball stuff is superior to Deon).
I think it was either ColTat or Telinoz said they enjoyed watching him play and I'd agree with that. Sure he had frustrating games but at least I always felt there was a method about his play - he looked like a striker who understood what a striker should be and for all Mooney's faults the last one we had who looked like that was Darren Bent so it's not like there's nothing to be said for that.
His attitude was always first class and a good team player. A valuable cog in the wheel.
Which is no doubt why Parkinson played him so often, and went back for him for a second loan signing after Mooney's lengthy layoff as a result of getting clobbered in the Millwall home match.
Mooney brought a lot to the team - and the team played better and more coherently with Mooney in it.
He has a decent 1st touch and a good footballing brain. And there were games he turned in very good performances and poached some very good goals.
He was outstanding in the 4-4 draw with Millwall, for example - instrumental in creating 3 of our 4 goals.
And terrific goals scored against Gillingham and Swindon.
Okay, he had some less effective games, and missed a few sitters - but so did leading goalscorer Deon Burton, and others.
He chipped in with 6 goals, several assists - not bad in 2 loan spells, taking in perhaps about half our games,
Burton was leading scorer with 14 goals including penalties, but started twice the number of matches that Mooney did.
I would say in his own way, Mooney was equally effective and his goal ratio per game was similar.
I have a suspision that before Charltons problems have bottomed out we are going to see a lot worse players than Dave Mooney pulling on a Charlton shirt.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]oh God, not Mooney again. I'd be happy never to see him at The Valley again unless with the opposition as then I'd be happy to know they were playing with ten men.
I couldn't have put it better myself............well, not without swearing!
[cite]Posted By: falconwood_1[/cite]Completely agree about his kind of team player is needed but he's just far too weak for this level and his finishing isn't upto it either.
Bar that he's David Villa.
Obv.
In a full season as a regular Charlton player, I reckon Mooney would score around 15 goals, plus assists and important contribution in other player's goals.
If that should be the case, 15 goals is a decent return for a creative player and secondary striker.
The question then ..... would the primary striker get around 20 goals?
It's the attacking combination and the number of goals the strikers contribute together which is key, surely?
i bumped into him a couple of weeks ago and he and his mrs didn't like the abuse that he got here.he liked the club and that but the reality was that we wouldn't be at the top of his list for clubs that he was looking to sign for.
He is too lightweight and will never make a decent player. His control is poor, he doesn't work hard enough, his positioning is shite and he doesn't look intelligent enough to form an understanding with another striker.
Just let him go and forget about him, he will always get abuse here because he aint the kind of player we want or need.
[quote][cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: D_F_T[/cite]he will always get abuse here[/quote]
Lightweight, maybe ........ but otherwise that's not my impression of Mooney.
But some people will always give a player abuse, regardless of actual performance during the match.[/quote]
With you there Oggy and would add that IMO he will improve. Parkie is right if he is looking at other players before going for Mooney and I would expect that for every player we have the potential of signing or giving a new contract to,its just a shame that players may make their decisions based upon the abuse we give our own players before we see them kick a ball in a game. Mooneys movement off the ball was good, his goal scoring record was not the worst we have ever seen from a charlton player and his link up with Burton et al was good. If he can add muscle over the summer to his frame he will be a very good player at this level. But even if he came here and scored 15 goals for us next season he would still be hated by some on here
Agree with Oggy. Mooney needs more presense but all the other critisisms by DFT are well wide of the mark IMHO. If PP does get Mooney back I for one won't complain. No doubt others will do aplenty.
[cite]Posted By: ValleyGary[/cite]A fantastic prospect?...he's 26. Seriously, go watch a Kent League game on a saturday and you will see players of the same level as David Mooney. I dunno how he ever made it this far tbh. Granted he gives 100%, and i cant kncok him for that, but as a striker of a L1 club, you gotta have more than commitment.
totally agree with this, really hope we do not sign him, good luck to him whatever he does but I seriously hope it's not anything to do with us.
Wish him all the best, however in my humble if Mooney does not like the stick he has had at Charlton, I am sure at most other clubs, certainly those in top 10 of L1, he will face similar treatment. Our fans may not be the best for backing players at times, but we are not the worst and I am sure Mooney may face worse elsewhere.
The problem with Mooney is that age is not on his side regarding development (physical and technical) and that his weaknesses (and like many in L1 there are plenty) overshadow his strengths. He has some good attributes but for me, I think we can do a lot better and Mooney is at best at lower L1/L2 player.
Also despite Swindon/Milwall home, when Mooney was excellent, there were times he was embarassing- Milwall away, Orient home etc. Not the worst striker to play for us, but up there.
I quite like him and think there is more to come, yes he had some bad games but who didn't? He got a lot of abuse imo a lot of it unfairly and usually it was from the same people who would overlook some of their favourites making a mistake to just boo the guy before he even touched the ball.
He scored 6 goals last year and while not a fantastic return some were important, we didn't lose any games he scored in and some were very important in tight games. I don't think he is the best striker around but really what are we expecting? On a free I would absolutely take him
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I feel that we may well have missed out on Hoskins who I think will do well. Lets hope we get some sembalance of a team in place soon led by Semedo.
if reading want a fee then we should look elsewhere; if worse comes to worse take him back on loan. but i'm certain there are better, affordable, options out there.
Surely we have given him enough chances to show that potential, what we cannot afford to do is have another season waiting for players to blossom and show us what they can or cannot do otherwise we will all be moaning this time next year that we are still in league 1.
I'd like him to play next season, I think he's a fantastic prospect - can score goals and make them - seems aware of what is going on, and moreover he gives 100% (unlike so many others), yet gets abused (unlike so many others) EVERY time he makes a mistake.
Some of our impatient, scapegoating sheep-like fans need to think back and think about what certain players in the past lacking some technical abilities did for our club in working for a team and giving their all. Unlike people like Jerome Thomas, Marcus Bent et al who got off relatively scot free.
Mooney for me ended at Millwall. Have no confidence in him whatsoever.
Did you go Millwall, Boggzy?
As another poster said if he was 19/20 you would have a point but the guy is 26 and is simply not strong enough for the role we need him for at this standard of football.
agree totally. And Boggzy, no need for the insults mate. We are all entitled to our opinions and just becuase it differs to yours doesn't make me or anyone else a TOOL. Ok ?
Hoskins signed a 2 yr deal for Bristol R today.
Do the people that want him back really rate him, or is it down to just not knowing what other options might be? No one would have suggested Richardson, Kyel Reid etc last season but Parky went and brought them in and they turned out good signings.
I'd have him back and I genuinely rate the guy. I think he had some very good games for us and got an unfair amount of stick when he didn't play so well - there were games where Bailey (and others) were far worse but escaped the same level of flack.
With a good pre-season and a following wind I think he could make real impact - but we'd have to be set up right and he'd need a partner and midfield capable of spotting his runs and playing the right balls to him. If, as I suspect, we're going to set up to be fairly direct next season then I think he'd be wasted with us, but in agood faootballing, pass and move type side he'd do well I think. He definitely has a lot more about him than any of out other currrent strikers (assuming Burton is off, and even then I think his off the ball stuff is superior to Deon).
I think it was either ColTat or Telinoz said they enjoyed watching him play and I'd agree with that. Sure he had frustrating games but at least I always felt there was a method about his play - he looked like a striker who understood what a striker should be and for all Mooney's faults the last one we had who looked like that was Darren Bent so it's not like there's nothing to be said for that.
His attitude was always first class and a good team player. A valuable cog in the wheel.
Which is no doubt why Parkinson played him so often, and went back for him for a second loan signing after Mooney's lengthy layoff as a result of getting clobbered in the Millwall home match.
Mooney brought a lot to the team - and the team played better and more coherently with Mooney in it.
He has a decent 1st touch and a good footballing brain. And there were games he turned in very good performances and poached some very good goals.
He was outstanding in the 4-4 draw with Millwall, for example - instrumental in creating 3 of our 4 goals.
And terrific goals scored against Gillingham and Swindon.
Okay, he had some less effective games, and missed a few sitters - but so did leading goalscorer Deon Burton, and others.
He chipped in with 6 goals, several assists - not bad in 2 loan spells, taking in perhaps about half our games,
Burton was leading scorer with 14 goals including penalties, but started twice the number of matches that Mooney did.
I would say in his own way, Mooney was equally effective and his goal ratio per game was similar.
Bar that he's David Villa.
Obv.
I couldn't have put it better myself............well, not without swearing!
In a full season as a regular Charlton player, I reckon Mooney would score around 15 goals, plus assists and important contribution in other player's goals.
If that should be the case, 15 goals is a decent return for a creative player and secondary striker.
The question then ..... would the primary striker get around 20 goals?
It's the attacking combination and the number of goals the strikers contribute together which is key, surely?
He is too lightweight and will never make a decent player. His control is poor, he doesn't work hard enough, his positioning is shite and he doesn't look intelligent enough to form an understanding with another striker.
Just let him go and forget about him, he will always get abuse here because he aint the kind of player we want or need.
Goodbye Mooney!
Lightweight, maybe ........ but otherwise that's not my impression of Mooney.
But some people will always give a player abuse, regardless of actual performance during the match.
Lightweight, maybe ........ but otherwise that's not my impression of Mooney.
But some people will always give a player abuse, regardless of actual performance during the match.[/quote]
With you there Oggy and would add that IMO he will improve. Parkie is right if he is looking at other players before going for Mooney and I would expect that for every player we have the potential of signing or giving a new contract to,its just a shame that players may make their decisions based upon the abuse we give our own players before we see them kick a ball in a game. Mooneys movement off the ball was good, his goal scoring record was not the worst we have ever seen from a charlton player and his link up with Burton et al was good. If he can add muscle over the summer to his frame he will be a very good player at this level. But even if he came here and scored 15 goals for us next season he would still be hated by some on here
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totally agree with this, really hope we do not sign him, good luck to him whatever he does but I seriously hope it's not anything to do with us.
The problem with Mooney is that age is not on his side regarding development (physical and technical) and that his weaknesses (and like many in L1 there are plenty) overshadow his strengths. He has some good attributes but for me, I think we can do a lot better and Mooney is at best at lower L1/L2 player.
Also despite Swindon/Milwall home, when Mooney was excellent, there were times he was embarassing- Milwall away, Orient home etc. Not the worst striker to play for us, but up there.
He scored 6 goals last year and while not a fantastic return some were important, we didn't lose any games he scored in and some were very important in tight games. I don't think he is the best striker around but really what are we expecting? On a free I would absolutely take him