[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]his love ex love interest is currently up the duff with a premier league defenders baby so it may be true that he wants out of london
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]his love ex love interest is currently up the duff with a premier league defenders baby so it may be true that he wants out of london
To clarify: you're saying that Chris Dickson's girlfriend is pregnant and that a Premier League defender is the father?
[cite]Posted By: ChicagoAddick[/cite]If we go on another one of Parky's non-winning streaks (come on it's now 2), then maybe Moots and Dicko will be back in Jan under a new manager?
Cocky? Yes but then all good strikers are and don't let the odd miss worry them.
The other significant bit is the fact that he hasn't said "for Rovers" which would rather suggest that he hasn't shut the door on us. Over to you Parky.
because he's not a Bristol Rovers striker - he's a Charlton striker and he's quite likely going to be knocking them in left, right and centre for one of our promotion rivals
personally that's not a situation I'm happy with and would expect a lot to feel the same way
Fair point, but he's not playing for us, he's playing for BR.
In the end, I care about the people who are pulling on the Charlton shirt, and if they are doing the business like they have been all season I would like to support them and the manager who have got us into that position, not worry about something that may or may not affect our promotion chances.
If it turns out Dicko scores 30 goals this season and BR pip us to a promotion place by a couple of points then fair enough - but at the moment, I really couldnt give a hoot.
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]Fair point, but he's not playing for us, he's playing for BR.
In the end, I care about the people who are pulling on the Charlton shirt, and if they are doing the business like they have been all season I would like to support them and the manager who have got us into that position, not worry about something that may or may not affect our promotion chances.
If it turns out Dicko scores 30 goals this season and BR pip us to a promotion place by a couple of points then fair enough - but at the moment, I really couldnt give a hoot.
Why talk about anything not to do with the current team? Should we pretend that Dicko doesn't exist? Should we not talk about Mambo at Welling for example?
[cite]Posted By: WSS[/cite]If it turns out Dicko scores 30 goals this season and BR pip us to a promotion place by a couple of points then fair enough - but at the moment, I really couldnt give a hoot.
Why not make it a round 100 and winning the FA Cup as well?
I think it's a perfectly fair debate to have. The player we've let go out on loan has just scored 2 goals and set one up for a rival team, whilst the one we've chosen to promote up the pecking order ahead of him has come off the bench and missed a good chance to win the game for us.
I do get the feeling we're letting a very useful playing asset (at least in our current position) slip away from us, but none of us know the real reasons for this. It's certainly fair to ask if Parky's handling of the situation has exacerbated a bad situation, but imo if Dicko really doesn't fit in then he needs to be let go for both parties interests.
I'd love Dicko to be a success with us, I like the way he plays and it'd be a cracking story but I also like the type of team Parky is building (a bit of flair and a bucket of grit as someone described it the other day) and if we've learnt one thing over the last three seasons, team spirit is very important, possibly as important as how talented the players in the team are. We're just going to have to trust that Parky is letting Dickson go for the right reasons, although I fully understand why others find it hard to do that.
[cite]Posted By: Exiled_Addick[/cite]I think it's a perfectly fair debate to have. The player we've let go out on loan has just scored 2 goals and set one up for a rival team, whilst the one we've chosen to promote up the pecking order ahead of him has come off the bench and missed a good chance to win the game for us.
I do get the feeling we're letting a very useful playing asset (at least in our current position) slip away from us, but none of us know the real reasons for this. It's certainly fair to ask if Parky's handling of the situation has exacerbated a bad situation, but imo if Dicko really doesn't fit in then he needs to be let go for both parties interests.
I'd love Dicko to be a success with us, I like the way he plays and it'd be a cracking story but I also like the type of team Parky is building (a bit of flair and a bucket of grit as someone described it the other day) and if we've learnt one thing over the last three seasons, team spirit is very important, possibly as important as how talented the players in the team are. We're just going to have to trust that Parky is letting Dickson go for the right reasons, although I fully understand why others find it hard to do that.
Spot on, Exiled - we have a team with a great spirit that is playing for each other and if Dickson is disruptive as implied by Parky then we are definitely better off without him. Believe me you that I am a fan of Dickson's poaching ability but for me the team comes first, plain and simple.
His assist for the third goal was not the action of a man that is only a poacher, and I really don't think that anyone has said that he has been disruptive to the team, other than fantasists on here. He's a bit boisterous for some of the senior pros and he's a bit old for the younger kids so he doesn't quite fit in, and he's a bit gobby: we all know someone that can get tiring after a while, but I don't think there's an implication that he's had any of the discipline issues that other people in the squad have. I'll not go into the detail of the story but a number of senior pros, one of whom is sadly still at the club disgraced us off the field last year - and I don't use that term lightly - Dickson's exuberance and decency was the only one that saved us from a big televised red face, but unfortunately that was brushed over. It'd help everything if people would stop just inventing stuff based on some notional idea of what he might be like.
He's a very confident person which is generally considered a good thing for a forward, and he's whined about not being in the team. From what the manager has actually said, he's acted a bit like a young player coming out of non-league (funnily enough) by not always concentrating on aspects of his game that the manager wants him to, but maybe his performance on Saturday shows that he's at least on the road to addressing this.
Mortimerician said: ''I really don't think that anyone has said that he has been disruptive to the team, other than fantasists on here. ''
Sorry, but I know that isn't true. How do I know? Because a senior figure at the club described him to me as disruptive and went on to say :''Parky is weeding out all the troublemakers''.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Mortimerician said: ''I really don't think that anyone has said that he has been disruptive to the team, other than fantasists on here. ''
Sorry, but I know that isn't true. How do I know? Because a senior figure at the club described him to me as disruptive and went on to say :''Parky is weeding out all the troublemakers''.
Troublemaker in what way Nigel?
Gillingham clearly don't think he is a troublemaker or a disruptive influence or they wouldn't have been so upset by our "knock back". Equally, have we told Lennie about this "bad egg" or have we conveniently brushed it under the carpet so we can secure a bigger fee come January?
The quote was not expanded upon, AA, and I make no comment on whether it was fair or not, as I simply don't know.
But the implication was that Moo2 and Dickson were the two PP wanted to weed out of his squad for reasons not necessarily connected to their footballing ability ...
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]''Troublemaker in what way Nigel?''
The quote was not expanded upon, AA, and I make no comment on whether it was fair or not, as I simply don't know.
But the implication was that Moo2 and Dickson were the two PP wanted to weed out of his squad for reasons not necessarily connected to their footballing ability ...
mmm if I was working for MI5 I'd say that the choice of "weed" might be significant. But there again I don't so I won't and I'd only be adding weight to what I perceive, at face value, to be a somewhat unfair persecution of Dicko.
Moreover it would make the Parky quote about him banging on the door demanding a place in the team and throwing his toys out of the pram all a bit of a smokescreen.
The Dickson situation is a win-win for Charlton as far as I can see.
If he carries on scoring goals for Rovers the the following two scenarios play out.....
1] Rovers will have no choice but to stump up a BIG chunk of the Ricky Lambert cash to secure him on a permanent basis or face losing him to another bidder - maybe even a struggling CCC side.
2] We can simply bring him back - as a red hot and in form striker - for the rest of the season for our own promotion push.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]The Dickson situation is a win-win for Charlton as far as I can see.
If he carries on scoring goals for Rovers the the following two scenarios play out.....
1] Rovers will have no choice but to stump up a BIG chunk of the Ricky Lambert cash to secure him on a permanent basis or face losing him to another bidder - maybe even a struggling CCC side.
2] We can simply bring him back - as a red hot and in form striker - for the rest of the season for our own promotion push.
Good points, he can only benefit with Games, we can only benefit in the long term if he does well.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]''Troublemaker in what way Nigel?''
The quote was not expanded upon, AA, and I make no comment on whether it was fair or not, as I simply don't know.
But the implication was that Moo2 and Dickson were the two PP wanted to weed out of his squad for reasons not necessarily connected to their footballing ability ...
Sorry Nigel, that is simply not true. Two entirely different kettles of fish. No idea how you picked that up, but basically complete opposite situations. Maybe Parky could have been more explicit in what his "issues" were so people would add one and one and come up with 17, but you're off the mark.
I reported what a senior figure said to me, that's all. His name is there in the story on the O/S about the reconfiguring of the board and the vice-presidential appointments. He said that Parky was very firm about moving the troublemakers on, and he said it as a high compliment to Parky. He also made it clear he was talking about Moo2 and Dickson .
what worries me about the Dicko situation is this idea that he is a troublemaker and the fact that Parkinson clearly can't manage a squad which has players of different temperaments within it
Cantona and Ronaldo were clearly 'trouble-makers' by Nigel W's description but Fergie was able to manage them in a way that won countless titles for Utd
Dickson's temperament/character is probably very similar to Wayne Rooney's who Fergie can also control
now we all know Parky is no Fergie but footballers are not robots and you have to be able to weald together a group of men and get them working together to be successful at any level in any sport whether it is the Premier League, Sunday football or your local rugby/cricket club.
if you accepting Parkinson is incapable of doing that then it doesn't reflect well on him IMO
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]what worries me about the Dicko situation is this idea that he is a troublemaker and the fact that Parkinson clearly can't manage a squad which has players of different temperaments within it
Sorry, but I don't see where you get this from. You say clearly, but he did not have one single disciplinary fine or suspension last season. That is not "clearly a trouble maker".
Whatever the issue between Parky and Dicko, expecting Parky to come up to Sir's high watermark is a bit much. He managed to get the best out of the difficult characters that you mentioned because he's up there with the all-time best in the game. If Parky was at that level he'd not be managing in League One.
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Who is she then?
To clarify: you're saying that Chris Dickson's girlfriend is pregnant and that a Premier League defender is the father?
Even so, does this mean that you have to move?
well he hasn't got a Plan B so it's a possibility
or a striker? That would have been embarrasing if another striker had scored
"I will be smashing in goals for fun in League 1"
Cocky? Yes but then all good strikers are and don't let the odd miss worry them.
The other significant bit is the fact that he hasn't said "for Rovers" which would rather suggest that he hasn't shut the door on us. Over to you Parky.
Oh and it rhymes!
personally that's not a situation I'm happy with and would expect a lot to feel the same way
In the end, I care about the people who are pulling on the Charlton shirt, and if they are doing the business like they have been all season I would like to support them and the manager who have got us into that position, not worry about something that may or may not affect our promotion chances.
If it turns out Dicko scores 30 goals this season and BR pip us to a promotion place by a couple of points then fair enough - but at the moment, I really couldnt give a hoot.
Why talk about anything not to do with the current team? Should we pretend that Dicko doesn't exist? Should we not talk about Mambo at Welling for example?
I thought that is what a Forum is for.
I think I say "I" rather that "you".
Unless you are my alter ego Addick Addict.
I really have no wish to get into an argument here but I can't see an "I" anywhere. And I assume "We" refers to those debating the subject.
I do get the feeling we're letting a very useful playing asset (at least in our current position) slip away from us, but none of us know the real reasons for this. It's certainly fair to ask if Parky's handling of the situation has exacerbated a bad situation, but imo if Dicko really doesn't fit in then he needs to be let go for both parties interests.
I'd love Dicko to be a success with us, I like the way he plays and it'd be a cracking story but I also like the type of team Parky is building (a bit of flair and a bucket of grit as someone described it the other day) and if we've learnt one thing over the last three seasons, team spirit is very important, possibly as important as how talented the players in the team are. We're just going to have to trust that Parky is letting Dickson go for the right reasons, although I fully understand why others find it hard to do that.
Spot on, Exiled - we have a team with a great spirit that is playing for each other and if Dickson is disruptive as implied by Parky then we are definitely better off without him. Believe me you that I am a fan of Dickson's poaching ability but for me the team comes first, plain and simple.
He's a very confident person which is generally considered a good thing for a forward, and he's whined about not being in the team. From what the manager has actually said, he's acted a bit like a young player coming out of non-league (funnily enough) by not always concentrating on aspects of his game that the manager wants him to, but maybe his performance on Saturday shows that he's at least on the road to addressing this.
Sorry, but I know that isn't true. How do I know? Because a senior figure at the club described him to me as disruptive and went on to say :''Parky is weeding out all the troublemakers''.
Troublemaker in what way Nigel?
Gillingham clearly don't think he is a troublemaker or a disruptive influence or they wouldn't have been so upset by our "knock back". Equally, have we told Lennie about this "bad egg" or have we conveniently brushed it under the carpet so we can secure a bigger fee come January?
The quote was not expanded upon, AA, and I make no comment on whether it was fair or not, as I simply don't know.
But the implication was that Moo2 and Dickson were the two PP wanted to weed out of his squad for reasons not necessarily connected to their footballing ability ...
mmm if I was working for MI5 I'd say that the choice of "weed" might be significant. But there again I don't so I won't and I'd only be adding weight to what I perceive, at face value, to be a somewhat unfair persecution of Dicko.
Moreover it would make the Parky quote about him banging on the door demanding a place in the team and throwing his toys out of the pram all a bit of a smokescreen.
If he carries on scoring goals for Rovers the the following two scenarios play out.....
1] Rovers will have no choice but to stump up a BIG chunk of the Ricky Lambert cash to secure him on a permanent basis or face losing him to another bidder - maybe even a struggling CCC side.
2] We can simply bring him back - as a red hot and in form striker - for the rest of the season for our own promotion push.
We are in control of the situation.
I reported what a senior figure said to me, that's all. His name is there in the story on the O/S about the reconfiguring of the board and the vice-presidential appointments. He said that Parky was very firm about moving the troublemakers on, and he said it as a high compliment to Parky. He also made it clear he was talking about Moo2 and Dickson .
So what is ''off the mark''?
Cantona and Ronaldo were clearly 'trouble-makers' by Nigel W's description but Fergie was able to manage them in a way that won countless titles for Utd
Dickson's temperament/character is probably very similar to Wayne Rooney's who Fergie can also control
now we all know Parky is no Fergie but footballers are not robots and you have to be able to weald together a group of men and get them working together to be successful at any level in any sport whether it is the Premier League, Sunday football or your local rugby/cricket club.
if you accepting Parkinson is incapable of doing that then it doesn't reflect well on him IMO
Whatever the issue between Parky and Dicko, expecting Parky to come up to Sir's high watermark is a bit much. He managed to get the best out of the difficult characters that you mentioned because he's up there with the all-time best in the game. If Parky was at that level he'd not be managing in League One.