what worries me is lack of diversity in our team and the small number (1) of decent strikers who can play within the mould that Park has set up, if Burton goes off the boil/gets injured we are seriously knackered. Dickson should be accomodated at the very least as a plan B in my view, and played in position in a 442 with a supporting player, he cleary has the talent if not for the formation Parky seems to prefer.
Mortimerican - can't do quotes but don't quite understand your point.
I have never said Dickson is a trouble-maker - Nigel W has.
I said that, even if Dickson isn't the class prefect, a manager should be able to try and get the best out of him in a team environment - that being the job of a manager, ie what he gets paid a more than decent wage for.
I think Dickson has a bit of the X-factor about him which is vital in a squad chasing promotion (perhaps not in one facing relegation) so I would never have loaned him out if I was CAFC manager
1. Dickson has the potential to score goals.
2, Parkinson does not fancy him, either its attitude, or its skills other than scoring at this level.
3 parkie is trying to build a squad to in corporate players of a certain disposition
4 If Parkie fails to hit targets set by the board he#ll get scked and if it is this season with minimal; if any compensation.
5. Dickson may return to The valley a better player and more able to fit in in January.
6. Or he may bring in more money in Jan than he would do now.
7. In the meantime he could cause Norwich, Leeds, colchester, Huddersfield and MK Dons to drop points by scoring aginst them.
8. Weaken the Rovers attack on 24th November, causing them to play a forward who has been on the fringes.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]
Cantona and Ronaldo were clearly 'trouble-makers' by Nigel W's description but Fergie was able to manage them in a way that won countless titles for Utd
Dickson's temperament/character is probably very similar to Wayne Rooney's who Fergie can also control
They maybe temperamental on the pitch but you didnt here to much off it from them!! They are different league anyway a ridiculous example. These players are proven Dickson has yet to show me or anyone at our club that he is class. Something like 25 games and 2 goals speaks for itself. yes i know he got a couple the weekend and scored a few for Gillingham.
I mean any player on his first interview for his new club who comments about needing to get away from the london nightlife, obviously has something worng in his make up
I have previously likened on other threads Dicko to Ian Wright in the sence that they both came from a similar level of non League football AND without either the discipline or the "conditioning" that comes as a result of coming through the ranks at a club. This makes them "different" and it is up to the Manager to accomodate that difference providing the player is good enough.
I'm sure we've all seen the highlights of Dicko's goals/pass for the third and McCleod's miss. The former looks to me like someone who is in no doubt of what he's going to do with the ball. I'm not sure that McCleod did because the chances of him squeezing that ball past the keeper into the far post were minimal.
Coppell knew how to deal with Ian Wright. Does Parky know how to handle Dicko because all the signs are that he wants rid of him.
[cite]Posted By: Kap10[/cite]5. Dickson may return to The valley a better player and more able to fit in in January.
6. Or he may bring in more money in Jan than he would do now.
7. In the meantime he could cause Norwich, Leeds, colchester, Huddersfield and MK Dons to drop points by scoring aginst them.
8. Weaken the Rovers attack on 24th November, causing them to play a forward who has been on the fringes.
Kap
Both Pardew and Parky have failed to get anything out of Dickson, although over the last two years there were a lot of players who under-performed for us. Then because of his one dimensional play it was considered too much of a luxury to play him. Now when we have more attacking options and are enjoying more possession I think he'd do well. But it could be that he was too much of a nuisance behind the scenes and Parky consequently chose not to wipe the slate clean at the start of the season.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Does Parky know how to handle Dicko because all the signs are that he wants rid of him.
If Parky doesn't know how to handle him, would he not be doing the right thing in getting rid though? It might be a dissappointing loss of a decent player (possibly) but is Parky not being correct in knowing his own limitations and building a squad he feels he can get the best out of (and to be fair he's largely doing that right now)?
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]
Cantona and Ronaldo were clearly 'trouble-makers' by Nigel W's description but Fergie was able to manage them in a way that won countless titles for Utd
Dickson's temperament/character is probably very similar to Wayne Rooney's who Fergie can also control
They maybe temperamental on the pitch but you didnt here to much off it from them!! They are different league anyway a ridiculous example. These players are proven Dickson has yet to show me or anyone at our club that he is class. Something like 25 games and 2 goals speaks for itself. yes i know he got a couple the weekend and scored a few for Gillingham.
I mean any player on his first interview for his new club who comments about needing to get away from the london nightlife, obviously has something worng in his make up
The FACTS are that, in this Division, for Crewe, Gillingham and Bristol Rovers Dicko has scored 9 goals in 12 League starts.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]Does Parky know how to handle Dicko because all the signs are that he wants rid of him.
If Parky doesn't know how to handle him, would he not be doing the right thing in getting rid though? It might be a dissappointing loss of a decent player (possibly) but is Parky not being correct in knowing his own limitations and building a squad he feels he can get the best out of (and to be fair he's largely doing that right now)?
Possibly so and if we go up without Dicko then the end will justify the means. At the moment, however, the Jury is out on Parky.
Dickson has been notably poor every time I've seen him play for Charlton yet some people are convinced he is the messiah. Parkinson has conducted himself with immense dignity and character and provided us with a record start to the season, yet the jury is out.
Our squad was a mess last year and Parkinson seems to have done a good job in sorting it out and building a harmonious one with strong professional characters - all the more so it would seem for the absence of Dickson now .... who by his own admission needs to get away from the London nightlife (and concentrate on football?).
I for one am glad he has gone, but who knows if he can prove himself a professional on and off the pitch then there might yet be a role for him here in the future.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]Mortimerican - can't do quotes but don't quite understand your point.
I have never said Dickson is a trouble-maker
Sorry, this is how this inaccurate view of the player has started and been proliferated. Not picking on you Kins, but a few posts above:
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]what worries me about the Dicko situation is this idea that he is a troublemaker
Anyway, I do take your point. I think the difference with the really top managers is that they're able to work out which of the characters in their team are worth putting up with some static from, and which aren't.
Quotes are easy: click the BBCode button at the bottom of the Add your comments box and it should work fine.
my Mum has apparently written to Parkie asking why we have lent him to one of our rivals which could backfire on us and why we havn't given him a chance ourselves. Will be interesting to see what reply she gets, if any.
he's answered those I reckon ... a) BR provides a good chance of getting a decent transfer fee, plus we have a recall clause. b) he had chances last season but on not being selected for the first pre-season match he requested a transfer and Parky only wants player committed to the club.
Dickson has been poor every time I've seen him play for Charlton yet some people are convinced he is the messiah. Parkinson has conducted himself with immense dignity and character and provided us with a record start to the season, yet the jury is out.
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And on the occasions when he played, how would you rate the team performance? When he played as a team we were dire and he was no worse and given the lack of a team ethic his weaknesses as a player meant we couldn't afford/risk taking a punt on playing a striker who didn't offer much else other than running on to through balls and being a fox in the box.
Parky might have done a great job to date this season, but we aren't spoilt for choice when it comes to players let alone forwards. Burton has a broken nose, Tuna is untried, McKenzie is just coming back from a long injury lay-off and anyway has a hamstring tweak, and McLoed is less than assured in front of goal. Then we let a goal scorer go...
Dickson isn't going to be a team player in the way that Burton is, but offers something we don't have in the squad and for that reason should be retained, unless we get a better striker in that is.
[cite]Posted By: LargeAddick[/cite]my Mum has apparently written to Parkie asking why we have lent him to one of our rivals which could backfire on us and why we havn't given him a chance ourselves. Will be interesting to see what reply she gets, if any.
I dont think she will get a reply, in all honesty at the end of the season if dickson get 20 goals and we fail to win promotion then that will be her reply. until then he is the manager and he sees him day in day out at training and obviously feels that he not what we need.
Jesus our supporters take this little open door approach by our club to want to know the reason behind every decision. I do feel some of us get above our station!!
Dickson isn't going to be a team player in the way that Burton is, but offers something we don't have in the squad and for that reason should be retained, unless we get a better striker in that is..... Agree with this point plus there is the possibility of injury..... To me it was either Fleetwood, or Dicko... not sure both should not be here, especially with what is left. As we seem to prefer playing one up front and that person is Burton , alright till he is expected to go all season long without an injury/rest.
I would be delighted to see the youngsters getting a regular game but cannot see it a realistic option at present, and if Burton get's a serious injury............
I disagree, whilst he's the type of person the manager doesn't want in the squad then he shouldn't be in the squad. Let the manager manage.
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And it's on his head if we have a couple of injuries/suspensions and have to start games with Tuna. Letting a player go without replacing him isn't necessarily good management, and if he continues at BR where he's started, then it'll look like bad management rather than anything principled.
[cite]Posted By: Ketman[/cite]Over 200 Posts on a player that has had ONE yes ONE decent 90 Minute performance for the Club in his career which was Plymouth last season. Nuff said
It would been one less without your input Ketman :-)
I would also venture to suggest that he hasn't actually been given 90 minutes for us too often especially as he's only actually started 6 League matches for us.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I'm not prepared to lose one of the midfield 5 to accommodate Dickson
While I'd agree on face value, lets hope they never ever get injured or suspended or need a rest (particularly the 17 year old) and that we never face a team that copes with our flooded midfield or need to switch formation to hurry up the play if we're a goal behind. That said, I think the loan to a decent quality of team is the best way for Parky to either bump his value or ascertain whether his own judgement has been a bit off and get him match fit.
There's surely no need to hit the panic button because of one good performance, although I'm a fan of the player and not a fan of a lot of things that are said about him.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I'm not prepared to lose one of the midfield 5 to accommodate Dickson
And nor should we all the times we are getting results and injury free. But, as Izale proved on Saturday, a quick striker is always likely to get a chance or two in the last 15 or 20 minutes against a tiring back four. Unfortunately for us, his finish (when compared to Dicko's two goals) do not bear comparison.
The other aspect is that Teams will match our 4-5-1 (especially at home) and there will, inevitably, be times when we will have to change the formation if only to give the opposition something different to think about. Are Izale, the vastly inexperienced Tuna or currently injured McKemzie the answer?
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I'm not prepared to lose one of the midfield 5 to accommodate Dickson
While I'd agree on face value, lets hope they never ever get injured or suspended or need a rest (particularly the 17 year old) and that we never face a team that copes with our flooded midfield or need to switch formation to hurry up the play if we're a goal behind. That said, I think the loan to a decent quality of team is the best way for Parky to either bump his value or ascertain whether his own judgement has been a bit off and get him match fit.
There's surely no need to hit the panic button because of one good performance, although I'm a fan of the player and not a fan of a lot of things that are said about him.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]I'm not prepared to lose one of the midfield 5 to accommodate Dickson
And nor should we all the times we are getting results and injury free. But, as Izale proved on Saturday, a quick striker is always likely to get a chance or two in the last 15 or 20 minutes against a tiring back four. Unfortunately for us, his finish (when compared to Dicko's two goals) do not bear comparison.
The other aspect is that Teams will match our 4-5-1 (especially at home) and there will, inevitably, be times when we will have to change the formation if only to give the opposition something different to think about. Are Izale, the vastly inexperienced Tuna or currently injured McKemzie the answer?
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I have never said Dickson is a trouble-maker - Nigel W has.
I said that, even if Dickson isn't the class prefect, a manager should be able to try and get the best out of him in a team environment - that being the job of a manager, ie what he gets paid a more than decent wage for.
I think Dickson has a bit of the X-factor about him which is vital in a squad chasing promotion (perhaps not in one facing relegation) so I would never have loaned him out if I was CAFC manager
2, Parkinson does not fancy him, either its attitude, or its skills other than scoring at this level.
3 parkie is trying to build a squad to in corporate players of a certain disposition
4 If Parkie fails to hit targets set by the board he#ll get scked and if it is this season with minimal; if any compensation.
5. Dickson may return to The valley a better player and more able to fit in in January.
6. Or he may bring in more money in Jan than he would do now.
7. In the meantime he could cause Norwich, Leeds, colchester, Huddersfield and MK Dons to drop points by scoring aginst them.
8. Weaken the Rovers attack on 24th November, causing them to play a forward who has been on the fringes.
I am happy with that
Kap
They maybe temperamental on the pitch but you didnt here to much off it from them!! They are different league anyway a ridiculous example. These players are proven Dickson has yet to show me or anyone at our club that he is class. Something like 25 games and 2 goals speaks for itself. yes i know he got a couple the weekend and scored a few for Gillingham.
I mean any player on his first interview for his new club who comments about needing to get away from the london nightlife, obviously has something worng in his make up
I'm sure we've all seen the highlights of Dicko's goals/pass for the third and McCleod's miss. The former looks to me like someone who is in no doubt of what he's going to do with the ball. I'm not sure that McCleod did because the chances of him squeezing that ball past the keeper into the far post were minimal.
Coppell knew how to deal with Ian Wright. Does Parky know how to handle Dicko because all the signs are that he wants rid of him.
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Good points, but I'd rather he was helping us by scoring goals for us.
These work for me
If Parky doesn't know how to handle him, would he not be doing the right thing in getting rid though? It might be a dissappointing loss of a decent player (possibly) but is Parky not being correct in knowing his own limitations and building a squad he feels he can get the best out of (and to be fair he's largely doing that right now)?
The FACTS are that, in this Division, for Crewe, Gillingham and Bristol Rovers Dicko has scored 9 goals in 12 League starts.
Possibly so and if we go up without Dicko then the end will justify the means. At the moment, however, the Jury is out on Parky.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bristol_rovers/default.stm
Our squad was a mess last year and Parkinson seems to have done a good job in sorting it out and building a harmonious one with strong professional characters - all the more so it would seem for the absence of Dickson now .... who by his own admission needs to get away from the London nightlife (and concentrate on football?).
I for one am glad he has gone, but who knows if he can prove himself a professional on and off the pitch then there might yet be a role for him here in the future.
Sorry, this is how this inaccurate view of the player has started and been proliferated. Not picking on you Kins, but a few posts above:
Anyway, I do take your point. I think the difference with the really top managers is that they're able to work out which of the characters in their team are worth putting up with some static from, and which aren't.
Quotes are easy: click the BBCode button at the bottom of the Add your comments box and it should work fine.
a) BR provides a good chance of getting a decent transfer fee, plus we have a recall clause.
b) he had chances last season but on not being selected for the first pre-season match he requested a transfer and Parky only wants player committed to the club.
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And on the occasions when he played, how would you rate the team performance? When he played as a team we were dire and he was no worse and given the lack of a team ethic his weaknesses as a player meant we couldn't afford/risk taking a punt on playing a striker who didn't offer much else other than running on to through balls and being a fox in the box.
Parky might have done a great job to date this season, but we aren't spoilt for choice when it comes to players let alone forwards. Burton has a broken nose, Tuna is untried, McKenzie is just coming back from a long injury lay-off and anyway has a hamstring tweak, and McLoed is less than assured in front of goal. Then we let a goal scorer go...
Dickson isn't going to be a team player in the way that Burton is, but offers something we don't have in the squad and for that reason should be retained, unless we get a better striker in that is.
I dont think she will get a reply, in all honesty at the end of the season if dickson get 20 goals and we fail to win promotion then that will be her reply. until then he is the manager and he sees him day in day out at training and obviously feels that he not what we need.
Jesus our supporters take this little open door approach by our club to want to know the reason behind every decision. I do feel some of us get above our station!!
Agree with this point plus there is the possibility of injury.....
To me it was either Fleetwood, or Dicko... not sure both should not be here, especially with what is left.
As we seem to prefer playing one up front and that person is Burton , alright till he is expected to go all season long without an injury/rest.
I would be delighted to see the youngsters getting a regular game but cannot see it a realistic option at present, and if Burton get's a serious injury............
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And it's on his head if we have a couple of injuries/suspensions and have to start games with Tuna. Letting a player go without replacing him isn't necessarily good management, and if he continues at BR where he's started, then it'll look like bad management rather than anything principled.
It would been one less without your input Ketman :-)
I would also venture to suggest that he hasn't actually been given 90 minutes for us too often especially as he's only actually started 6 League matches for us.
Sorry make that two less!
There's surely no need to hit the panic button because of one good performance, although I'm a fan of the player and not a fan of a lot of things that are said about him.
And nor should we all the times we are getting results and injury free. But, as Izale proved on Saturday, a quick striker is always likely to get a chance or two in the last 15 or 20 minutes against a tiring back four. Unfortunately for us, his finish (when compared to Dicko's two goals) do not bear comparison.
The other aspect is that Teams will match our 4-5-1 (especially at home) and there will, inevitably, be times when we will have to change the formation if only to give the opposition something different to think about. Are Izale, the vastly inexperienced Tuna or currently injured McKemzie the answer?
Great mind Mort or is it Fools Seldom Differ?