And why's he unhappy here? Because Parky as assistant and also Manager has consistently put him down. It's very easy for him to drop in bits here and there about not wanting to do this and not wanting to do that. His job is to get the best out of ALL his players. Dicko, meantime, has no right to reply publicly because if he does so he ends up being labelled an even bigger trouble maker. He simply can't win and he's now in the frame of mind that nothing he does will be enough for him to win Parky over.
All the time we're in the top two Parky will be untouchable and if we go up he will be vindicated by his actions. My concern is that we might not go up and that the rough diamond (a la Ian Wright) that might have made the difference will turn out to be a major asset - for someone else.
Consistently put him down? When? And when they have, why? It's not a personal thing is it, there must be things he isn't doing that mean he isn't in the team or on the bench.
He might make the difference, but he isn't happy waiting until we get injuries or suspensions to get his chance.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Consistently put him down? When? And when they have, why? It's not a personal thing is it, there must be things he isn't doing that mean he isn't in the team or on the bench.
He might make the difference, but he isn't happy waiting until we get injuries or suspensions to get his chance.
He waited all last season and hardly got a kick and was then told that he isn't even in the team for a pre season friendly at Crawley. And yes I do think it might just be a personal thing as they very often are.
Paul Konchesky had issues with Curbs because our most successful Manager of all time refused to play him in his best position. Konchesky has proved him wrong by being part of one of the best back fours in the Premiership. The difference is that a left back isn't going to get us up but a 20 goal a season striker might just do that.
This is all going nowhere. Rightly or wrongly, Parky regards Dickson as trouble.
Ergo, he's not going to play for Charlton under this manager. And so it makes sense for club and player for him to be moved on, whether that's just or not.
That said, looking at the table you do have to question a loan to a club just one place and two points behind us...if they carry on winning and he carries on scoring, we will have to look at calling him back - out of spite and self-preservation, not because I think he can in any way do a job for us!
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]This is all going nowhere. Rightly or wrongly, Parky regards Dickson as trouble.
Ergo, he's not going to play for Charlton under this manager. And so it makes sense for club and player for him to be moved on, whether that's just or not.
That said, looking at the table you do have to question a loan to a club just one place and two points behind us...if they carry on winning and he carries on scoring, we will have to look at calling him back - out of spite and self-preservation, not because I think he can in any way do a job for us!
The decision to send him out on loan says of Parky the following:
(1) He really doesn't believe Dicko is any good
(2) He doesn't consider Bristol Rovers a threat
(3) Both one and two
We can, of course, recall Dicko and make him sit in the Stand again (as Parky as inferred he has no future with us). However, we want money for him and given that he's out of contract come the end of the season we will need to sell him in January - for say £200,000 to £300,000. Quite cheap if it helps Rovers get into the Championship imho.
[cite]Posted By: Scoham[/cite]Consistently put him down? When? And when they have, why? It's not a personal thing is it, there must be things he isn't doing that mean he isn't in the team or on the bench.
He might make the difference, but he isn't happy waiting until we get injuries or suspensions to get his chance.
He waited all last season and hardly got a kick and was then told that he isn't even in the team for a pre season friendly at Crawley. And yes I do think it might just be a personal thing as they very often are.
Paul Konchesky had issues with Curbs because our most successful Manager of all time refused to play him in his best position. Konchesky has proved him wrong by being part of one of the best back fours in the Premiership. The difference is that a left back isn't going to get us up but a 20 goal a season striker might just do that.
Curbs didn't play Konch at left back because Chris Powell was much better at the time!
However he (Curbs) realised that Konch was a decent player hence he played him in midfield.
He also played Herman at left back in front of Konchesky. Curbs just didn't trust him at left back which is why he sold him to the Hammers and then when he became Manager off loaded him to Fulham.
Not surprised Dickson got two, good luck to him there. If her gets 7-10 goals there in 3months, which i think he will, Parky will surely give him a chance here. McLeod showed today his finishing is not the best when clean through but he has only had a few cameos this season. aside from burton, no one has really had many minutes so there is undoubtedly room for Dickson in squad. Also come xmas, Shelvey will need a rest and the system may change, this will suit dickson better than the one we are playing now
Dickson doesnt want to play forr us and is only a better finisher Mcleods other parts to his game are far superior i.e vision and movement on the ball.
Well, it's been a struggle lately, granted, but it seems that people have finally latched onto something to moan about.
Come on lads, who gives a flying f*ck how many goals he scores for Bristol Rovers as long as we keep picking up the points? Honestly, some people need to chill the f*ck out!
[cite]Posted By: Off_it[/cite]Well, it's been a struggle lately, granted, but it seems that people have finally latched onto something to moan about.
Come on lads, who gives a flying f*ck how many goals he scores for Bristol Rovers as long as we keep picking up the points? Honestly, some people need to chill the f*ck out!
Sorry for the reasoned debate Off It and I totally agree with the sentiment "as long as we keep picking up points". Aiding Rovers (now just two points behind us) to pick up three points and close the gap on us as a result doesn't make sense imho. Always assuming I'm allowed an opinion on your Forum of course ;-)
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]2 very good finishes from dicko yesterday well done Dicko can keep this up come back to us in form and at the right time,
and a lovely "eye of the needle pass" to set up the third.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]He waited all last season and hardly got a kick and was then told that he isn't even in the team for a pre season friendly at Crawley. And yes I do think it might just be a personal thing as they very often are.
He was on the bench at Crawley, behind two better players in Burton and Shelvey (8 games into the season and they've surely convinced everyone that's true now, especially in Burton's case). He came on as a sub, not like he was completely left out.
Forgetting everything about attitude, effort in training etc all things we can't judge, what do you do with a player that doesn't want to play for us and wants to play regularly for someone else?
I don't like how he's on loan with the team third in the league, but I don't believe he should have been starting games this season, and last season it was right to drop him when he wasn't performing, then Burton & Shelvey proved to be a better option.
Seen his goals and assist from yesterday, two typical Dickson goals, and a rare good pass to set up the third. He'd be much less likely to that for us coming off the bench if he's unhappy and looking for a move. Would be a good option for us from the bench, but he simply doesn't want to be that player for us.
[cite]Posted By: Addick Addict[/cite]
The decision to send him out on loan says of Parky the following:
(1) He really doesn't believe Dicko is any good
Dicko had his contract extended around November last year - I'm sure that was Parky & Kins doing.
Doesn't that imply Dickson is rated at the club......?
Not being selected for the starting XI in a minor pre-season friendly, during a run of games when all the squad are being rotated and Dickson had been starting games ........ and then having angry words with his manager, and demanding a transfer on the spot - doesn't sound like the attitude most manager's want from their players.
Unfortunately for Dickson, his style of play doesn't fit with the undeniably successful current formation and tactics.
That's bound to have to change at some point, but it does suggest Dickson isn't committed to the club cause enough to want to be part of it.
If any of us was manager instead of Parky, hand on heart ...... would we have acted differently?
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]This is all going nowhere. Rightly or wrongly, Parky regards Dickson as trouble.
Ergo, he's not going to play for Charlton under this manager. And so it makes sense for club and player for him to be moved on, whether that's just or not.
That said, looking at the table you do have to question a loan to a club just one place and two points behind us...if they carry on winning and he carries on scoring, we will have to look at calling him back - out of spite and self-preservation, not because I think he can in any way do a job for us!
The decision to send him out on loan says of Parky the following:
(2) He doesn't consider Bristol Rovers a threat
We can, of course, recall Dicko and make him sit in the Stand again (as Parky as inferred he has no future with us). However, we want money for him and given that he's out of contract come the end of the season we will need to sell him in January - for say £200,000 to £300,000. Quite cheap if it helps Rovers get into the Championship imho.
Parky said quite simply ....... Dickson had been loaned to Bristol Rovers, with a view to a permanent transfer in January.
Charlton had allowed him to go - because Bristol Rovers, having just sold Lambert to Pardew for £1mill, had money in the bank and were in a position financially to complete any deal later in the season.
That impies that it was more of a Board decision driven by financial consideration.
From our playing perspective, no doubt Bristol Rovers are also paying a loan transfer fee, plus the player's wages ....... so in the short term that allows Parky financial lattitude to bring in another player if needed - he's already said currently he has no replacement for Burton within the current formation.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]Not being selected for the starting XI in a minor pre-season friendly, during a run of games when all the squad are being rotated and Dickson had been starting games ........ and then having angry words with his manager, and demanding a transfer on the spot - doesn't sound like the attitude most manager's want from their players.
Good point about the rotation - looking back Burton and Dickson both started 2 out of the first 4 friendlies (all the games before we played Crawley). After Crawley there were still another 3 pre-season friendlies to play, plus a reserve friendly a few days after Bournemouth.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]he's already said currently he has no replacement for Burton within the current formation.
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]he's already said currently he has no replacement for Burton within the current formation.
Was that before or after signing McKenzie?
After signing McKenzie.
It's quoted in the recent Parky Q & A thread somewhere - so only stated a few days ago.
He went on to say something about Kandol ...... maybe amongst other reasons, Dickson's been farmed out to free up the wages for Kandol or someone similar on loan?
The end will always justify the means and if we go up then it becomes irrelevant what Dicko does (unless, of course, we sell him for less than his true ultimate worth) elsewhere. The irony of him helping Bristol Rovers to go up in lieu of us will not, however, be missed by many.
I sincerely hope Parky carries onthe good work and he proves me and others wrong.
[cite]Posted By: sussexstu[/cite]at the end of the day dickson is crap. always has been always will be. he has no class and is just a non league headless chicken footballer
[cite]Posted By: sussexstu[/cite]at the end of the day dickson is crap. always has been always will be. he has no class and is just a non league headless chicken footballer
Never rated Dickson then, Stu ......?
;o)
lol - so was Ian Wright, Killer, Les Ferdinand etc etc.
I'd take 9 goals from 12 starts in this division from any striker.
I think we need a reality check with Dickson. Before us he played for Dulwich Hamlet! He was a nothing striker in the lower tables of non-league. Pardew bought when we were still in the Prem, and I truly believe that is the standard Dicko thinks he is.
The fact is he isn't that good, nor good enough for the championship, and I don't believe that he will be a real first choice striker in this division either. He doesn't help his case with his attitude, as he seems to believe his own hype.
Good luck to him though, perhaps he can carve out a league career for himself. If not, I'm sure a BSQ team will take him on.
I see Scally in Kent on Sunday this morning has branded Parky a ''liar''...
He's taken up Parky's statement that: “Gillingham hadn’t called since transfer deadline day but Bristol Rovers and another League One club got in touch with us.”
Scally says: “I spoke to Steve Waggott and he asked me to e-mail him, I e-mailed him and sent him texts, he’s sent me texts. All since September 9. They’re a matter of record, so it’s not true...Phil Parkinson appears to be paranoid that Chris Dickson was going to come and do well under Mark Stimson. That seems to be the basis on which they wouldn’t let him come to us... I don’t really want to have any dealings with Charlton other than those I have to have. Ever.''
Hilarious...
But to be serious for a moment - I can't believe that Parky would lie like that and presumably Scally wouldn't have said what he said unless he has the e-mails/texts to produce as evidence. Therefore, do we presume that Waggott didn't tell Parky that Scally had put in a loan bid?
[cite]Posted By: sussexstu[/cite]at the end of the day dickson is crap. always has been always will be. he has no class and is just a non league headless chicken footballer
But he can score goals at this level, so there are strong arguments for him being in our team. Unfortunately he has other issues both in skill level and attitude which means that the manager does not fancy him.
[cite]Posted By: nigel w[/cite]Scally says: “I spoke to Steve Waggott and he asked me to e-mail him, I e-mailed him and sent him texts, he’s sent me texts. I don’t really want to have any dealings with Charlton other than those I have to have. Ever.'' But to be serious for a moment - I can't believe that Parky would lie like that and presumably Scally wouldn't have said what he said unless he has the e-mails/texts to produce as evidence. Therefore, do we presume that Waggott didn't tell Parky that Scally had put in a loan bid?
Looks like for whatever reason parkie got this wrong, but Scally is just making himself look stupid and should shut up.
Bristol rovers play Leeds on Oct 10th and Gillingham on 21st November lets hope Dicko keeps his shooting boots on for then, I assume that he won't play against us
Scally is a short arsed little twat. Can't stand the guy so well done Parky for holding out for another club for Dickson. Hope we get taken over and go and buy their best player Barcham as he could really improve our midfield imo on the left hand side, that will really piss scally off 9 in 12 for Dickson (including some great finishes) is better than many in the league so think we will be making a huge error to let him go permanently. McLeod ay do more for the team, but can't see him scoring so many
[cite]Posted By: Oggy Red[/cite]he's already said currently he has no replacement for Burton within the current formation.
Was that before or after signing McKenzie?
Aftersigning McKenzie.
It's quoted in the recent Parky Q & A thread somewhere - so only stated a few days ago.
He went on to say something about Kandol ...... maybe amongst other reasons, Dickson's been farmed out to free up the wages for Kandol or someone similar on loan?
Parkinson said on Thursday Q & A He had no intention to replace Dickson with a loan striker at the present time, because he had McKenzie McLoud Tammar.
He also said that Dickson didn't want to play for us and that he wanted to get out of London.
He also stated, as has been mentioned on this thread, that Rovers had the money to purchase Dickson Southend & Gillingham didn't. Parky also stated he wants to have some money to spend at January and the sale would aid this.
Dickson may score goals but if his attitude is not in line with the rest of the squad then he shouldn't be in the team. Parky picks the team and the Dickson move may enable him to strenghten the team with a player who he feels is more committed to the team or indeed rid the team of a player whom he may see as a disruption. Considering the reaction of some to a draw, God forbid, we ever lose a game!
P.S. It would be funny if Fleetwood starts banging them in too!
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All the time we're in the top two Parky will be untouchable and if we go up he will be vindicated by his actions. My concern is that we might not go up and that the rough diamond (a la Ian Wright) that might have made the difference will turn out to be a major asset - for someone else.
He might make the difference, but he isn't happy waiting until we get injuries or suspensions to get his chance.
He waited all last season and hardly got a kick and was then told that he isn't even in the team for a pre season friendly at Crawley. And yes I do think it might just be a personal thing as they very often are.
Paul Konchesky had issues with Curbs because our most successful Manager of all time refused to play him in his best position. Konchesky has proved him wrong by being part of one of the best back fours in the Premiership. The difference is that a left back isn't going to get us up but a 20 goal a season striker might just do that.
Ergo, he's not going to play for Charlton under this manager. And so it makes sense for club and player for him to be moved on, whether that's just or not.
That said, looking at the table you do have to question a loan to a club just one place and two points behind us...if they carry on winning and he carries on scoring, we will have to look at calling him back - out of spite and self-preservation, not because I think he can in any way do a job for us!
*I know not funny*
The decision to send him out on loan says of Parky the following:
(1) He really doesn't believe Dicko is any good
(2) He doesn't consider Bristol Rovers a threat
(3) Both one and two
We can, of course, recall Dicko and make him sit in the Stand again (as Parky as inferred he has no future with us). However, we want money for him and given that he's out of contract come the end of the season we will need to sell him in January - for say £200,000 to £300,000. Quite cheap if it helps Rovers get into the Championship imho.
Curbs didn't play Konch at left back because Chris Powell was much better at the time!
However he (Curbs) realised that Konch was a decent player hence he played him in midfield.
Also come xmas, Shelvey will need a rest and the system may change, this will suit dickson better than the one we are playing now
Come on lads, who gives a flying f*ck how many goals he scores for Bristol Rovers as long as we keep picking up the points? Honestly, some people need to chill the f*ck out!
Sorry for the reasoned debate Off It and I totally agree with the sentiment "as long as we keep picking up points". Aiding Rovers (now just two points behind us) to pick up three points and close the gap on us as a result doesn't make sense imho. Always assuming I'm allowed an opinion on your Forum of course ;-)
and a lovely "eye of the needle pass" to set up the third.
Forgetting everything about attitude, effort in training etc all things we can't judge, what do you do with a player that doesn't want to play for us and wants to play regularly for someone else?
I don't like how he's on loan with the team third in the league, but I don't believe he should have been starting games this season, and last season it was right to drop him when he wasn't performing, then Burton & Shelvey proved to be a better option.
Seen his goals and assist from yesterday, two typical Dickson goals, and a rare good pass to set up the third. He'd be much less likely to that for us coming off the bench if he's unhappy and looking for a move. Would be a good option for us from the bench, but he simply doesn't want to be that player for us.
Dicko had his contract extended around November last year - I'm sure that was Parky & Kins doing.
Doesn't that imply Dickson is rated at the club......?
Not being selected for the starting XI in a minor pre-season friendly, during a run of games when all the squad are being rotated and Dickson had been starting games ........ and then having angry words with his manager, and demanding a transfer on the spot - doesn't sound like the attitude most manager's want from their players.
Unfortunately for Dickson, his style of play doesn't fit with the undeniably successful current formation and tactics.
That's bound to have to change at some point, but it does suggest Dickson isn't committed to the club cause enough to want to be part of it.
If any of us was manager instead of Parky, hand on heart ...... would we have acted differently?
Parky said quite simply ....... Dickson had been loaned to Bristol Rovers, with a view to a permanent transfer in January.
Charlton had allowed him to go - because Bristol Rovers, having just sold Lambert to Pardew for £1mill, had money in the bank and were in a position financially to complete any deal later in the season.
That impies that it was more of a Board decision driven by financial consideration.
From our playing perspective, no doubt Bristol Rovers are also paying a loan transfer fee, plus the player's wages ....... so in the short term that allows Parky financial lattitude to bring in another player if needed - he's already said currently he has no replacement for Burton within the current formation.
Was that before or after signing McKenzie?
After signing McKenzie.
It's quoted in the recent Parky Q & A thread somewhere - so only stated a few days ago.
He went on to say something about Kandol ...... maybe amongst other reasons, Dickson's been farmed out to free up the wages for Kandol or someone similar on loan?
I sincerely hope Parky carries onthe good work and he proves me and others wrong.
Never rated Dickson then, Stu ......?
;o)
lol - so was Ian Wright, Killer, Les Ferdinand etc etc.
I'd take 9 goals from 12 starts in this division from any striker.
The fact is he isn't that good, nor good enough for the championship, and I don't believe that he will be a real first choice striker in this division either. He doesn't help his case with his attitude, as he seems to believe his own hype.
Good luck to him though, perhaps he can carve out a league career for himself. If not, I'm sure a BSQ team will take him on.
He's taken up Parky's statement that: “Gillingham hadn’t called since transfer deadline day but Bristol Rovers and another League One club got in touch with us.”
Scally says: “I spoke to Steve Waggott and he asked me to e-mail him, I e-mailed him and sent him texts, he’s sent me texts. All since September 9. They’re a matter of record, so it’s not true...Phil Parkinson appears to be paranoid that Chris Dickson was going to come and do well under Mark Stimson. That seems to be the basis on which they wouldn’t let him come to us... I don’t really want to have any dealings with Charlton other than those I have to have. Ever.''
Hilarious...
But to be serious for a moment - I can't believe that Parky would lie like that and presumably Scally wouldn't have said what he said unless he has the e-mails/texts to produce as evidence. Therefore, do we presume that Waggott didn't tell Parky that Scally had put in a loan bid?
But he can score goals at this level, so there are strong arguments for him being in our team. Unfortunately he has other issues both in skill level and attitude which means that the manager does not fancy him.
Looks like for whatever reason parkie got this wrong, but Scally is just making himself look stupid and should shut up.
Bristol rovers play Leeds on Oct 10th and Gillingham on 21st November lets hope Dicko keeps his shooting boots on for then, I assume that he won't play against us
9 in 12 for Dickson (including some great finishes) is better than many in the league so think we will be making a huge error to let him go permanently. McLeod ay do more for the team, but can't see him scoring so many
Parkinson said on Thursday Q & A He had no intention to replace Dickson with a loan striker at the present time, because he had McKenzie McLoud Tammar.
He also said that Dickson didn't want to play for us and that he wanted to get out of London.
He also stated, as has been mentioned on this thread, that Rovers had the money to purchase Dickson Southend & Gillingham didn't. Parky also stated he wants to have some money to spend at January and the sale would aid this.
P.S. It would be funny if Fleetwood starts banging them in too!