Bent wasn't creative or skillful, but he could control and hold up the ball to a decent enough standard, and win headers. He never gave it away much, just played a simple pass to keep a move going.
Not sure Dickson can do that, but we're a level lower down, desperate for goals, and need a striker that will take the few chances we create.
I'm not sure Dickson could do that either Scoham, but it would be nice to know one way or the other by letting him start a couple of games rather than flogging him off for a pittance without taking a proper look at him. It's unbelievable that so many woeful forwards have been given chance after chance and Dickson still hasn't.
Call me suspicious if you like, but i've believed for a long time that Dicko's absence is not for footballing reasons. His goalscoring record for the reserves and last season at Gillingham is the best at the club. Parky is too much like Pards in his awful opinions on players (how many games did it take him to admit that Varney wasn't going to live up to his expectations ?) It's what he does in a match that matters, not what he does in training. You would think how we' ve been struggling for goals the past two seasons, even stubborn ....... like them would have tried him. Or is it just because it wouldn't look good if a player who cost 35 thousand, outscored one who cost 2 million.?
Killer, Paddy Powell,Stan Bowles, Jimmy Greaves, all renowned poor trainers. But what players! As someone said, had Dickson been playing from the start on Saturday, there's a good chance he would have converted one of the great chances we had to go 2-0 up, and we could have been celebrating a win.
[cite]Posted By: MrLargo[/cite]I'm not sure Dickson could do that either Scoham, but it would be nice to know one way or the other by letting him start a couple of games rather than flogging him off for a pittance without taking a proper look at him. It's unbelievable that so many woeful forwards have been given chance after chance and Dickson still hasn't.
I do agree with that.
[cite]Posted By: BexleyRed[/cite]Call me suspicious if you like, but i've believed for a long time that Dicko's absence is not for footballing reasons.
Bent not Creative? He created his own chances and put alot of em away or made a simple pass that more often than not resulted in a goal dis allowed or otherwise!
Can people please stop referring to player's who retired 30 years ago when talking about good training/bad training. The game has changed immesurably in that time and players have to train harder than ever before just to keep up with the pace of the modern game. There simply aren't any players in the professional game any more who are poor trainers and can magically turn it on at the weekend.
I'll happily rescind this comment if anybody can name a current, decent player who is a well known poor trainer.
[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Bent not Creative? He created his own chances and put alot of em away or made a simple pass that more often than not resulted in a goal dis allowed or otherwise!
I meant that in a playmaking sense, picking out killer passes, like Di Canio did.
[cite]Posted By: randy andy[/cite]Can people please stop referring to player's who retired 30 years ago when talking about good training/bad training. The game has changed immesurably in that time and players have to train harder than ever before just to keep up with the pace of the modern game. There simply aren't any players in the professional game any more who are poor trainers and can magically turn it on at the weekend.
I'll happily rescind this comment if anybody can name a current, decent player who is a well known poor trainer.
I'd take a guess at people like John Parkin, Ricardo Fuller and Dean Windass, who all helped get teams promoted last season...and Dicko has more natural pace than the three of them put together.
[cite]Posted By: Dazzler21[/cite]Bent not Creative? He created his own chances and put alot of em away or made a simple pass that more often than not resulted in a goal dis allowed or otherwise!
I meant that in a playmaking sense, picking out killer passes, like Di Canio did.
Rather like Iwelumo being slated last season because Pardew insisted on aiming balls that came down with snow on them at him rather than play to feet (which he was good at as he showed against Sheffield Wednesday at home most clearly) so Dickson is suffering because of the inadequacies of others.
We don't have the players to do Dickson's grafting duties so are unable to play a natural goalscorer as the rest of his game isn't up to Championship level.
It's a crying shame but that is where we are sadly.
[cite]Posted By: BexleyRed[/cite]I take your point Len, but grafting alone doesn't win games. What do we need, a grafter like Varney, or someone to stick the ball in the net ?
But even though you have someone to put the ball in the net, you still need players to feed him chances.
As opposed to last Saturday's team which created chances that went begging - but had no goalscorer to convert them.
[cite]Posted By: BexleyRed[/cite]I take your point Len, but grafting alone doesn't win games. What do we need, a grafter like Varney, or someone to stick the ball in the net ?
But even though you have someone to put the ball in the net, you still need players to feed him chances.
As opposed to last Saturday's team which created chances that went begging - but had no goalscorer to convert them.
In terms of goals per game he was the best in League One last year. We are one place off league one and on Saturday started with only one forward who has one of the worst goals/game ratio n hte division. Appreciate it's not about maths, but the fact that he has never once been given a start in the face of such genuinely poor competition, is exaxtly why we are where we are and why we are going where we are going.
The truth is with this debate about Dickson, None of us, and not even Pardew or Parkinson for all their experience,can say with any certainty whether he's good enough or not. Untill he's been given a run of starts in the team, its ridiculas and unfair to make assumptions. Only the two managers ,neither of whom i have any confidence in, know why he hasn't been given one start. As has been said before, he is a proven scorer in the league we will be playing in next season, so why would you sell him ?
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Are you talking about Darren Bent cos he did a hell of a lot more than that both with and without the ball.
Not sure Dickson can do that, but we're a level lower down, desperate for goals, and need a striker that will take the few chances we create.
As someone said, had Dickson been playing from the start on Saturday, there's a good chance he would have converted one of the great chances we had to go 2-0 up, and we could have been celebrating a win.
I do agree with that.
Getting that feeling myself.
I'll happily rescind this comment if anybody can name a current, decent player who is a well known poor trainer.
doesn't risk injury in training so is a light trainer!
or do you mean at CAFC?
I meant that in a playmaking sense, picking out killer passes, like Di Canio did.
I'd take a guess at people like John Parkin, Ricardo Fuller and Dean Windass, who all helped get teams promoted last season...and Dicko has more natural pace than the three of them put together.
OK I'LL LET YOU OFF... ;O)
We don't have the players to do Dickson's grafting duties so are unable to play a natural goalscorer as the rest of his game isn't up to Championship level.
It's a crying shame but that is where we are sadly.
But even though you have someone to put the ball in the net, you still need players to feed him chances.
As opposed to last Saturday's team which created chances that went begging - but had no goalscorer to convert them.
Apart from Dickson sitting on the bench...
Burton - inelligible
Gray - going, going gone?
Bouazza - gone
Fleetwood - out on loan
McCleod - out on loan
Varney - gone
Todorov - can't run
that leaves just Waghorn and Dickson who can play up front. Surely there's a chance that Dickson might start isn't there ;-)
Probably be sold just before kick off. To Sheff Weds. And will score the winning hat trick
Yes NO chance.
Gray will play alone up front. Waghorn would be Parky's 2nd choice.
Can Gray play for both us and Stoke on the same day?
You'll probably find that he'll play for neither, lol
If he's fit enough why not!
Keep up AA the Gray deal is off :-)