Posted By: SoundAsa£ [/cite]I thought he was pants![/quote]
I know fans see games differently but he ran that West Brom defence ragged, he scored, hit the wood work and had the guts and calmness to take and score the first pen I wouldn't call that pants
Here's what a Gillingham fan said about him last January.
After 11 goals in 14 appearances you'll be unsurprised to hear that I rate Dickson pretty highly! Having said that, his talent his still very raw and I don't think he has the technical ability to ever cut it in the Premiership.
Dicko is all about goals, and he doesn't contribute a massive amount to the team other than that. The good thing is that he has proved pretty adept at scoring, largely through being in the right place at the right time (plus the odd screamer here and there). He is a poacher and he is greedy - as soon as he gets anywhere near the goal he will shoot 99% of the time.
Despite his goalscoring ability, his all round play needs development. In my opinion he is not a good enough player (yet) to make it as a regular in the Championship but he could be a useful sub to bring on and cause problems in and around the box. In League 1 he doesn't particularly stand out as a cut above or anything, but his goals alone would earn him a starting in most mid to lower table sides.
I feel as though the above might come across as a bit negative. Rest assured that I loved having Dickson at Gillingham and would have him back in a shot. The reason why I would have him back is because I know he would finish the chances that our other players are incapable of doing. When you come across better teams (such as Charlton) with good strikers who can offer the team more than just goals, he will struggle to make as much of an impact as he did here.
At Gillingham he showed he's overall play wasn't good, it was his goalscoring that impressed, not his passing, hold up play, teamwork or anything else.
Still I'd like to see him get a chance rather than McLeod again.
Mmm .... not sure I wrote him off on the basis of 15 minutes here or there, paulsturgess.
I've seen him play three or four full games, one on TV, and would defend the statement that his overall play is poor. Watch, for example, how he turns when he receives the ball with his back to goal - always to his left, and always by pushing the ball a couple of yards in front of him. Most decent defenders would lick their lips.
A goal a game for Dulwich Hamlet, yes. Now translate that into Championship football. Five or six in a full season, if you are lucky. I do agree that, by comparison to McLeod etc, he deserves a chance, but don't confuse the fact that he remains unproven as an indicator that he is a world-beater.
I guess players like Dickson will always polarise opinions. For me, he stands a much better chance of success if he concentrates on developing his technique and positional play - not working on his Ian Wright impression. He'll have his own chat show next.
I dont think Ian Wright is a particularly bad person to try and base your game on if you are a centre forward. And you cant simply say a goal a game for dulwich hamlet works out at 5 or 6 a season in the championsip - so unless he scores a hundred plus goals a season for dulwich then he definitely wont be good enough? Seeing as you keep referring to Ian Wright, I dont think you will find that he had a better ratio at non-league level than dickson, and he still succeeded.
I'm not saying that he is definitely or even likely to be a world beater, but with the rubbish we are currently putting out every week it is utterly stupid not to give the bloke 4 or 5 games to prove himself. even if his overall play is a bit rough round the edges, that might improve with a few games and he has an eye for goal. Mcleod has been given many chances and his overall play is appalling, the runs he makes and his self-awareness in terms of being offside etc makes him look like hes hardly played the game before.
Perhaps it says something about our coaching , that we've never developed the other parts of his game togo with his obvious goalscoring ability. What bugs me most, is that he has'nt been given one start to either prove or disprove himself.Compare that with Andy Gray who went about a dozen games without scoring after he joined us,and still got picked every week. How any body can judge a player on 15 mins here and there baffles me. I feel for the kid. He's desperate to play for us and do well, and had to watch player after player being given the nod in front of him. I hope he does well wherever he ends up.
comparing dickson to gray is like comparing gray to michael owen.
he will come back and haunt us that is for sure - he will bang in the goals for whoever maybe not Championship level YET
some people on here are basing his performances on the reserves where I'm sorry but that level of football is not a good comparison.
He played for gillingham yeah ok his touch might not be class but he knows where the goal is - i wouldn't mind betting he would have buried the 2 chances bouazza missed last night but if's all hearsay now as we'll never know if he would/could have done it for us.
2 managers have both not picked him at a time when we have been desperate for goals so something can't be
I think that getting injured last year did't do him any favours as he was in a rich goal scoring form when he returned to us from Gillingham- I saw him come on against Leeds at Preisrtfield just after he joined Gillingham and tore them apart with his running. It hasn't hel[ped him either that when he has played it has been with different strike partners- I would have liked to have seen him with Toddy- Toddy's guile and cunning would have created the spaces for him to exploit- Gray is too lazy for my liking.
Saw him at the Dover pre-season friendly and had been very much looking forward to watching him. I was very disappointed. He missed chances and didn't seem able to come up with anything else at all really. He tried a couple of runs towards the goal but lost the ball very easily. Really likeable guy and I can understand him moving on, but I''m not sorry to be honest.
From what I have heard about Dickson the lack of a first touch and an inability to make the ball stick are what are really holding him back, these are not uncommon problems for players who come into the pro game late because they did not do the technical work that the players who came through the ranks did.
If a front player can't hold the ball for his team and keeps giving away possession then it makes the rest of the teams job very, very hard because you can't clear your lines and relieve the pressure.
I always loved watching Mark Hughes when he was at his peak in the early 90's, the bloke just took so much pressure off his defence by making the ball stick 9/10 and allowing his team mates to come out of defence.
From Dickson's point of view, if he is losing possession more than he is keeping it and continually making bad choices when on the ball then that is why he is not being given a start in the first XI.
There've been plenty of players over the years who've made a good career out of being able to do little else but score goals. It's ridiculous that, considering scoring is what he's good at, he wasn't given a chance when Varney and everyone else couldn't score to save their lives. And it's even more ridiculous to judge him on a friendly / 15 minutes / A chance he missed against Watford if you ask me.
Paul Sturgess I think hits the nail on the head. For a striker Ian Wright is a pretty good role model I'd say.
Problem is at CAFC a lot of the fans it seems would rather Gary Nelson be there prototype striker - lots of endeavour and workrate - very little return in the form of goals...
That the people who pick the team down at Charlton (and know a hell of a lot about the game more than me or you) have seen him every day for the last two years, and don't think he is worthy of a start.
personally i would have like to have seen him given a try at some stage, but there must have been something fundamental that stopped those putting him in. At the end of the day, they want us to win as much as us.
It may come back and bite us on the arse, or it may not. Only time will tell now.
[cite]Posted By: AFKABartram[/cite]What do we know ?
That the people who pick the team down at Charlton (and know a hell of a lot about the game more than me or you) have seen him every day for the last two years, and don't think he is worthy of a start.
personally i would have like to have seen him given a try at some stage, but there must have been something fundamental that stopped those putting him in. At the end of the day, they want us to win as much as us.
It may come back and bite us on the arse, or it may not. Only time will tell now.
He's overrated, like a number of the players at the club. Unearthing 'non-league gems' is a bit of a thing of the past - the game's moved on alot since then.
He's not the answer to our goalscoring problems - I can't see why anyone got excited about him.
[cite]Posted By: leftbehind[/cite]I knew this a while back that they would listen to offers in Jan
He is lazy moans a lot
Looking to get £500k for him
Where did you hear this?
[cite]Posted By: SaySomething[/cite]He's overrated, like a number of the players at the club. Unearthing 'non-league gems' is a bit of a thing of the past - the game's moved on alot since then.
He's not the answer to our goalscoring problems - I can't see why anyone got excited about him.
I don't know how you can be overrated when you've yet to start a single game in 2 years!! Plus... Kightly, Finnan, etc? Furthermore... "He's not the answer to our goalscoring problems" - We will never know whether he was/would be or not. Me nor you. But his goalscoring record at every level he has played at suggests I'm more right than you are.
If the Gills bought Dickson from Dulwich Hamlets and he spent a season in that league keeping his goalscoring record in tact... And then we got relegated from the prem... How much do you think Pardew would've paid for him considering what he paid for Mcleod and Varney? And how much more of a chance would he have been given?
Well, there is a school of thought that none of Dowie, Reed, Pardew or Parkinson know/knew what they are doing ... however, agreed they do train with the guy on a daily basis.
A couple of starts wouldn't have gone amiss though. And remember our board felt that Dean Ashton was no better than Lisbie, Bartlett, Johansson and Svenson once ...
Dicko was offered a contract extension by us last month and was mulling it over, He has had an offer from Leeds as have the club the figure is way below what has been mentioned above.
Much like others on here like Varney for being a nice guy, Dicko is also a cool chap and one that has not been given the chance with us,
That has peed him off greatly as he has had a decent record at Gillingham and in the Ressies and although he may not hold the ball up as well as some others he is one of the better finishers at the club as he has been told by Parky and pardew
This may well come back and bite us on the arse i hope it does
[cite]Posted By: supaclive[/cite]Well, there is a school of thought that none of Dowie, Reed, Pardew or Parkinson know/knew what they are doing ... however, agreed they do train with the guy on a daily basis.
A couple of starts wouldn't have gone amiss though. And remember our board felt that Dean Ashton was no better than Lisbie, Bartlett, Johansson and Svenson once ...
I hope for our sake that Parky is right because when Waghorn goes back we will be left with Messrs Todorov (no legs), Burton (no goals), McCleod (even less than no goals) to partner Gray.
I really can't believe that Pardew and Parky have continued to overlook him but will try to believe that they came to their conclusion is the right one. Will be mixed emotions for a lot of us with, on the one hand, wanting to wish Chris every success but, on the other, hoping he doesn't go on prove the management wrong in making that decision.
A real shame, he has never really been given a run of games, if he had and was not up to it-fair enough, but nobody can say that in the predicament we are in we have had even one forward who has deserved the extended run that most have had, good luck Chris.
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I know fans see games differently but he ran that West Brom defence ragged, he scored, hit the wood work and had the guts and calmness to take and score the first pen I wouldn't call that pants
He hasn't always looked half decent. I wasn't at West Brom away, but when I have seen him he's had some poor games.
Dover away in pre-season him and Fleetwood missed some chances they should have scored. Scored from a simple finish against Brighton.
Over day, can't remember which game, at home, he came on and just gave the ball away a few times and looked poor.
At Gillingham he showed he's overall play wasn't good, it was his goalscoring that impressed, not his passing, hold up play, teamwork or anything else.
Still I'd like to see him get a chance rather than McLeod again.
I've seen him play three or four full games, one on TV, and would defend the statement that his overall play is poor. Watch, for example, how he turns when he receives the ball with his back to goal - always to his left, and always by pushing the ball a couple of yards in front of him. Most decent defenders would lick their lips.
A goal a game for Dulwich Hamlet, yes. Now translate that into Championship football. Five or six in a full season, if you are lucky. I do agree that, by comparison to McLeod etc, he deserves a chance, but don't confuse the fact that he remains unproven as an indicator that he is a world-beater.
I guess players like Dickson will always polarise opinions. For me, he stands a much better chance of success if he concentrates on developing his technique and positional play - not working on his Ian Wright impression. He'll have his own chat show next.
Thought we were talking about Dickson here, sturgess aint played for us for years!!! ;-)
(couldnt resist)
I'm not saying that he is definitely or even likely to be a world beater, but with the rubbish we are currently putting out every week it is utterly stupid not to give the bloke 4 or 5 games to prove himself. even if his overall play is a bit rough round the edges, that might improve with a few games and he has an eye for goal. Mcleod has been given many chances and his overall play is appalling, the runs he makes and his self-awareness in terms of being offside etc makes him look like hes hardly played the game before.
he will come back and haunt us that is for sure - he will bang in the goals for whoever maybe not Championship level YET
some people on here are basing his performances on the reserves where I'm sorry but that level of football is not a good comparison.
He played for gillingham yeah ok his touch might not be class but he knows where the goal is - i wouldn't mind betting he would have buried the 2 chances bouazza missed last night but if's all hearsay now as we'll never know if he would/could have done it for us.
2 managers have both not picked him at a time when we have been desperate for goals so something can't be
If a front player can't hold the ball for his team and keeps giving away possession then it makes the rest of the teams job very, very hard because you can't clear your lines and relieve the pressure.
I always loved watching Mark Hughes when he was at his peak in the early 90's, the bloke just took so much pressure off his defence by making the ball stick 9/10 and allowing his team mates to come out of defence.
From Dickson's point of view, if he is losing possession more than he is keeping it and continually making bad choices when on the ball then that is why he is not being given a start in the first XI.
For a striker Ian Wright is a pretty good role model I'd say.
Problem is at CAFC a lot of the fans it seems would rather Gary Nelson be there prototype striker - lots of endeavour and workrate - very little return in the form of goals...
That the people who pick the team down at Charlton (and know a hell of a lot about the game more than me or you) have seen him every day for the last two years, and don't think he is worthy of a start.
personally i would have like to have seen him given a try at some stage, but there must have been something fundamental that stopped those putting him in. At the end of the day, they want us to win as much as us.
It may come back and bite us on the arse, or it may not. Only time will tell now.
Fair comments there...my sentiments exactly.
He is lazy moans a lot
Looking to get £500k for him
He caused the best defence in our league all sorts of problems and I'm mystified why he has never been given a start.
Still I have to respect the coaching staffs decisions in these matters.
He's not the answer to our goalscoring problems - I can't see why anyone got excited about him.
Where did you hear this?
I don't know how you can be overrated when you've yet to start a single game in 2 years!! Plus... Kightly, Finnan, etc? Furthermore... "He's not the answer to our goalscoring problems" - We will never know whether he was/would be or not. Me nor you. But his goalscoring record at every level he has played at suggests I'm more right than you are.
If the Gills bought Dickson from Dulwich Hamlets and he spent a season in that league keeping his goalscoring record in tact... And then we got relegated from the prem... How much do you think Pardew would've paid for him considering what he paid for Mcleod and Varney? And how much more of a chance would he have been given?
A couple of starts wouldn't have gone amiss though. And remember our board felt that Dean Ashton was no better than Lisbie, Bartlett, Johansson and Svenson once ...
Much like others on here like Varney for being a nice guy, Dicko is also a cool chap and one that has not been given the chance with us,
That has peed him off greatly as he has had a decent record at Gillingham and in the Ressies and although he may not hold the ball up as well as some others he is one of the better finishers at the club as he has been told by Parky and pardew
This may well come back and bite us on the arse i hope it does
dicko is a top guy
eh Dowie and reed?
I really can't believe that Pardew and Parky have continued to overlook him but will try to believe that they came to their conclusion is the right one. Will be mixed emotions for a lot of us with, on the one hand, wanting to wish Chris every success but, on the other, hoping he doesn't go on prove the management wrong in making that decision.