[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]I can't believe there's so many comments slating this as a bad signing, when he's not even played a single minute for us yet. It's almost like you're determined to be miserable, no matter what happens.
there is a bunch of miserable old moaners on here no doubt of that!
[cite]Posted By: WhenIwasLittleBoy[/cite]Reading between the lines i think this move could be the final nail in Pardews coffin, hence why a months loan and not three months, is this the board telling him you have until christmas and if we are still in the same position or we havent got x amount of points then its see ya later mate.
or is it because we have the option for another two if he proves useful? Or maybe emergency loans aren't allowed for any longer? Or perhaps you like conspiracy theories?!
[cite]Posted By: aliwibble[/cite]I can't believe there's so many comments slating this as a bad signing, when he's not even played a single minute for us yet. It's almost like you're determined to be miserable, no matter what happens.
Oh come on Wibble - he an untried , untested at any level footballer - so what he played well in a youth cup game so did half our youngsters and they can't get a bloody game.
I have stated I hope I am wrong big time I sincerely do and I hope he does the business but he's, Pardew, hardly given Dickson, Fleetwood, McLeod a chance and they have more bloody pedigree than this kid. Dickson scored a few for Gills, McLeod scored loads for MK DONS at least they have shown they can score at pro level.
And so what if he has potential we are not in a position to "harness" the potential of someone else's player when our manager won't even do ti with our own players with potential.
there is a limit on the number of loan signings a club can make, by taking on this kid we kiss goodbye to a slot that could and SHOULD have been given to an experinaced player who would make a differnece to our beliugerd squad. as i said before if he bangs them in but we still lose and stay near the bottom wolves or someone will snap him up for the rest of the season. i think this shows what the football world thinks of us at the moment. no manager would want to send a player to a team so bad as us at the moment, i think this is the lowest ebb we have reached. Pards will have tried for the likes of Kitson from stoke, but they just wouldnt want to come to us at the moment. It would damage the players credabilty and stock so to speak. If we dont get our arses up the league very soon, this is just the type of signing were going to have to get used too, chelsea will never lend us another player after the sinclair affiar and we can forget most prem club fringe and reserve players we will be targeting their youth squad, which makes a complete joke of Valley Gold Steve Gritt and the young lads at charlton. How do the academy and reserve lads feel.... were struggling up front, a place has become available for the first team and we go and get a kid from another team!!!! might as well scrap the academy and reserve team as some teams have done. We are a joke!! OUR TALENT SHOULD GET A LOOK IN or give us our valley gold money back.
I love the way everyone on here from their various walks of life is now an expert on breeding young footballers. if pards does go, i reckon some of you should apply. you obviously know what you're talking about without seeing a player play for more than 15 mins whether in training or in the reserves, you obviously have a camp at the training ground making observations and are far more qualified than anyone currently at the club.
This may be the worse yet, although there's a lot of competition. Shocking signing. Shocking man management as it can only piss off the people that we'll need to do a job for us later. Shocking logic because as a very young lad from South Shields with recent bad injuries the settling in time will be more than we can afford. Still i always enjoy Henry and Rothko's creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business.
I have been a Pardew out Man for several months now but no way can I in good conscience crtisize him for a signing that hasn't even been on the pitch for us yet. I think Pards is hopeless but if he'd had signed anyone people would still find fault with it.
If he turns out to be pants ala Sinclair, Halford, Cook like last season, then I'll have a go.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]This may be the worse yet, although there's a lot of competition. Shocking signing. Shocking man management as it can only piss off the people that we'll need to do a job for us later. Shocking logic because as a very young lad from South Shields with recent bad injuries the settling in time will be more than we can afford. Still i always enjoy Henry and Rothko's creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business.
OK Mort, you've got my attention.
You said "creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business".
Now back that up with some evidence of my statements that correspond to that.
Not one example but a number as you have said "consistently"
Make it quick as I've got to go to Yorkshire in a couple of hours.
[cite]Posted By: adamtheaddick[/cite]there is a limit on the number of loan signings a club can make, by taking on this kid we kiss goodbye to a slot that could andSHOULDhave been given to an experinaced player who would make a differnece to our beliugerd squad. as i said before if he bangs them in but we still lose and stay near the bottom wolves or someone will snap him up for the rest of the season.
i think this shows what the football world thinks of us at the moment. no manager would want to send a player to a team so bad as us at the moment, i think this is the lowest ebb we have reached. Pards will have tried for the likes of Kitson from stoke, but they just wouldnt want to come to us at the moment. It would damage the players credabilty and stock so to speak.
If we dont get our arses up the league very soon, this is just the type of signing were going to have to get used too, chelsea will never lend us another player after the sinclair affiar and we can forget most prem club fringe and reserve players we will be targeting their youth squad, which makes a complete joke of Valley Gold Steve Gritt and the young lads at charlton. How do the academy and reserve lads feel.... were struggling up front, a place has become available for the first team and we go and get a kid from another team!!!! might as well scrap the academy and reserve team as some teams have done. We are a joke!!OUR TALENT SHOULD GET A LOOK INor give us our valley gold money back.
I don't think the club could afford to pay me back my Valley Gold money!
Kets, most of us arnt having a go at the sunderland lad, im sure not. the thing that has got most peoples goat is that the youngsters we have dont get a look in, it makes a joke of our entire academy set up.. unless this kid a new alan shearer or wayne rooney then just cant see the logic in this deal, smacks of desperation on a mega scale.
Whatever else I have said about him, I have a sneaking regard for that kind of outrageously bucaneering spirit. It's not football - it's pure rock'n'roll !!![/quote]
Don't know why I agree with this quote, only that I do. We need characters at the Valley who inspire and a rock n roll Pardew may be better than the one we currently have. Perhaps the announcer start with "Please welcome the greatest footie manager in the f***ing World...Alan Pardew" and like a crowd at a Jam gig we could all go bonkers.
Rock n Roll relegation or Rock n Roll jubilation that is the question?
If the rose tinted ones want a fact it is that Dickson has not been given some serious first team starts, it therefore seems odd getting an untried talent in when you have one already.
Im not too worried about the signing as i got so see him play in the youth cup games and I believe he can adequately cope with the physical aspect of the championship,but I fully understand where the other people are coming from,if i hadn't seen him play i would have thought who the feckin hell is he,all i can say to people who haven't seen him is he will get stuck in and be a right nusisance of the opposing centre halves.I am surprised NLA is so dismayed as he sat next to me at youth cup game and as we have been shoting for shelvey to get a game if waghorn had been our player we would be shouting for him to get a game at this present time as well.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]This may be the worse yet, although there's a lot of competition. Shocking signing. Shocking man management as it can only piss off the people that we'll need to do a job for us later. Shocking logic because as a very young lad from South Shields with recent bad injuries the settling in time will be more than we can afford. Still i always enjoy Henry and Rothko's creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business.
OK Mort, you've got my attention.
You said "creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business".
Now back that up with some evidence of my statements that correspond to that.
Not one example but a number as you have said "consistently"
Make it quick as I've got to go to Yorkshire in a couple of hours.
Come on, put up or shut up.
Don't anger him Morts he is good at arguing his point in a fair manner and will win... Just don't go there!
can he do any worse than our current strikers - NO
has he cost us money - NO
Is he better/more promise than any of our youth strikers - YES
I really don't see y everyones gettin their arms up about this, did any1 really think we were gonna get an experienced in form pro?? If you did then you really are dilusional
WE ARE A POOR POOR CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, y does everyone think we have a right to some of the best players in the league, or people with prem experience??
Also the oracle of good young players (champ) he's fuckn ace and he's bangin them in for fun for me (playin as charlton)
Steve i thought the kid looked great without doubt the best player on the pitch, but that was against our kids, I have been advocating jon jo all season and he has been deemed not good enough by pardew i thought solly looked blinding he hasnt been good enough for pardew you can bet your arse that if waghorn was ours he would have beebn deemed not good enough
what we saw there showed a boy with great promise same as Jon jo and Solly is that what we need right now, surely not we need someone with experience some one who knows where the net is at some pro level of football.
I hope it works i hope he scores shit loads and if the gamble pays off Pardew is a hero
and if it dont it could be the most costly mistake any of us have witnessed on a football pitch at Charlton
you can not tell me that Waghorn earns more than Ambrose because after all we let him go on loan to raise the funds to finance these loans
I pray that i have this one well wrong i really do but i expected a bit more from these loans i really did.
Ambrose got loads iof shite on here from me included and deservedly so but i dont think we now have a stronger squad with him gone and waghorn and harte in
[cite]Posted By: scruffle[/cite]The end of the day...
can he do any worse than our current strikers - NO
has he cost us money - NO
Is he better/more promise than any of our youth strikers - YES
I really don't see y everyones gettin their arms up about this, did any1 really think we were gonna get an experienced in form pro?? If you did then you really are dilusional
WE ARE A POOR POOR CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, y does everyone think we have a right to some of the best players in the league, or people with prem experience??
Also the oracle of good young players (champ) he's fuckn ace and he's bangin them in for fun for me (playin as charlton)
Scruffle, it's been pointed out many times in this thread that the problem isn't the player. You ask the question: can he do any worse than our current crop of strikers. My answer is, I have absolutely no idea because Pardew has not given Mcleod, Dickson or Fleetwood a chance. I think any one of them needs a run of games to prove themselves, and would be incredibly hungry to nail down a place in the first 11. Instead we have just got an 18 year old from sunderland. We'll just develop someones elses player.
I dont think anyone is having a dig at the lad directly or questioning his ability, its more a case of we were all lead to belive that we were signing experienced players with a bit of a nouse, good luck to the boy,
[quote][cite]Posted By: Chunes[/cite][quote][cite]Posted By: scruffle[/cite]The end of the day...
can he do any worse than our current strikers - NO has he cost us money - NO Is he better/more promise than any of our youth strikers - YES
I really don't see y everyones gettin their arms up about this, did any1 really think we were gonna get an experienced in form pro?? If you did then you really are dilusional WE ARE A POOR POOR CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, y does everyone think we have a right to some of the best players in the league, or people with prem experience??
Also the oracle of good young players (champ) he's fuckn ace and he's bangin them in for fun for me (playin as charlton)[/quote]
Scruffle, it's been pointed out many times in this thread that the problem isn't the player. You ask the question: can he do any worse than our current crop of strikers. My answer is, I have absolutely no idea because Pardew has not given Mcleod, Dickson or Fleetwood a chance. I think any one of them needs a run of games to prove themselves, and would be incredibly hungry to nail down a place in the first 11. Instead we have just got an 18 year old from sunderland. We'll just develop someones elses player.[/quote]
I'm not slagging the young lad off in any way shape or form...but surely we have some youngsters of a similar age who deserve a chance...if we haven't then I find that dissapointing.
If he puts on an Addicks shirt I can only say I'll back him all the way....but I can't help feeling it's a strange signing in a number of ways.
nobody is having a go at the lad himself - mostly having a go at Pardew and his ecentric and baffling decisions.
I have no idea - nor do around 20,000 other supporters if Mcleod/Dickson or Fleetwood are any better or worse as nobody has seen them play a full 90 mins - let alone a run in the side.
Pardew can not tell either - he may not rate the above 3 players on what he has seen in training - but our games aren't played at New Eltham tand there is nothing like playing a real life league fixture. Throw thm in and if they don't produce the goods by xmas then at least Pardew can say that he has tried them. As yet he can't - and so I will show my dissent on Saturday (to Pardew - not the players)
Lets give him (and Pards) a chance none of us will be unhappy if, as Rothko says, he smashes one into the top corner. He hasn't kicked a ball yet for us.
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or is it because we have the option for another two if he proves useful? Or maybe emergency loans aren't allowed for any longer? Or perhaps you like conspiracy theories?!
Oh come on Wibble - he an untried , untested at any level footballer - so what he played well in a youth cup game so did half our youngsters and they can't get a bloody game.
I have stated I hope I am wrong big time I sincerely do and I hope he does the business but he's, Pardew, hardly given Dickson, Fleetwood, McLeod a chance and they have more bloody pedigree than this kid. Dickson scored a few for Gills, McLeod scored loads for MK DONS at least they have shown they can score at pro level.
And so what if he has potential we are not in a position to "harness" the potential of someone else's player when our manager won't even do ti with our own players with potential.
I reckon we are on for a hiding to nothing here with this one i cnt believe people cant see how much of a mistake this is.
i think this shows what the football world thinks of us at the moment. no manager would want to send a player to a team so bad as us at the moment, i think this is the lowest ebb we have reached. Pards will have tried for the likes of Kitson from stoke, but they just wouldnt want to come to us at the moment. It would damage the players credabilty and stock so to speak.
If we dont get our arses up the league very soon, this is just the type of signing were going to have to get used too, chelsea will never lend us another player after the sinclair affiar and we can forget most prem club fringe and reserve players we will be targeting their youth squad, which makes a complete joke of Valley Gold Steve Gritt and the young lads at charlton. How do the academy and reserve lads feel.... were struggling up front, a place has become available for the first team and we go and get a kid from another team!!!! might as well scrap the academy and reserve team as some teams have done. We are a joke!! OUR TALENT SHOULD GET A LOOK IN or give us our valley gold money back.
If he turns out to be pants ala Sinclair, Halford, Cook like last season, then I'll have a go.
OK Mort, you've got my attention.
You said "creative logic free and consistently incorrect applauding of this kind of insanely shit business".
Now back that up with some evidence of my statements that correspond to that.
Not one example but a number as you have said "consistently"
Make it quick as I've got to go to Yorkshire in a couple of hours.
Come on, put up or shut up.
I don't think the club could afford to pay me back my Valley Gold money!
Whatever else I have said about him, I have a sneaking regard for that kind of outrageously bucaneering spirit. It's not football - it's pure rock'n'roll !!![/quote]
Don't know why I agree with this quote, only that I do. We need characters at the Valley who inspire and a rock n roll Pardew may be better than the one we currently have. Perhaps the announcer start with "Please welcome the greatest footie manager in the f***ing World...Alan Pardew" and like a crowd at a Jam gig we could all go bonkers.
Rock n Roll relegation or Rock n Roll jubilation that is the question?
:)
Don't anger him Morts he is good at arguing his point in a fair manner and will win... Just don't go there!
can he do any worse than our current strikers - NO
has he cost us money - NO
Is he better/more promise than any of our youth strikers - YES
I really don't see y everyones gettin their arms up about this, did any1 really think we were gonna get an experienced in form pro?? If you did then you really are dilusional
WE ARE A POOR POOR CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, y does everyone think we have a right to some of the best players in the league, or people with prem experience??
Also the oracle of good young players (champ) he's fuckn ace and he's bangin them in for fun for me (playin as charlton)
what we saw there showed a boy with great promise same as Jon jo and Solly is that what we need right now, surely not we need someone with experience some one who knows where the net is at some pro level of football.
I hope it works i hope he scores shit loads and if the gamble pays off Pardew is a hero
and if it dont it could be the most costly mistake any of us have witnessed on a football pitch at Charlton
you can not tell me that Waghorn earns more than Ambrose because after all we let him go on loan to raise the funds to finance these loans
Ambrose got loads iof shite on here from me included and deservedly so but i dont think we now have a stronger squad with him gone and waghorn and harte in
Scruffle, it's been pointed out many times in this thread that the problem isn't the player. You ask the question: can he do any worse than our current crop of strikers. My answer is, I have absolutely no idea because Pardew has not given Mcleod, Dickson or Fleetwood a chance. I think any one of them needs a run of games to prove themselves, and would be incredibly hungry to nail down a place in the first 11. Instead we have just got an 18 year old from sunderland. We'll just develop someones elses player.
then Keane calls him back.
So do I mate but as long as we are not 3-0 and it's the last minute. If he does I'll come back on cap in hand. :-)
can he do any worse than our current strikers - NO
has he cost us money - NO
Is he better/more promise than any of our youth strikers - YES
I really don't see y everyones gettin their arms up about this, did any1 really think we were gonna get an experienced in form pro?? If you did then you really are dilusional
WE ARE A POOR POOR CHAMPIONSHIP TEAM, y does everyone think we have a right to some of the best players in the league, or people with prem experience??
Also the oracle of good young players (champ) he's fuckn ace and he's bangin them in for fun for me (playin as charlton)[/quote]
Scruffle, it's been pointed out many times in this thread that the problem isn't the player. You ask the question: can he do any worse than our current crop of strikers. My answer is, I have absolutely no idea because Pardew has not given Mcleod, Dickson or Fleetwood a chance. I think any one of them needs a run of games to prove themselves, and would be incredibly hungry to nail down a place in the first 11. Instead we have just got an 18 year old from sunderland. We'll just develop someones elses player.[/quote]
Pretty much sums up my feelings.
If he puts on an Addicks shirt I can only say I'll back him all the way....but I can't help feeling it's a strange signing in a number of ways.
nobody is having a go at the lad himself - mostly having a go at Pardew and his ecentric and baffling decisions.
I have no idea - nor do around 20,000 other supporters if Mcleod/Dickson or Fleetwood are any better or worse as nobody has seen them play a full 90 mins - let alone a run in the side.
Pardew can not tell either - he may not rate the above 3 players on what he has seen in training - but our games aren't played at New Eltham tand there is nothing like playing a real life league fixture. Throw thm in and if they don't produce the goods by xmas then at least Pardew can say that he has tried them. As yet he can't - and so I will show my dissent on Saturday (to Pardew - not the players)
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I would think that the above coment inspires you as much as this "signing" does me.