People who hog the fast line on a dual carriageway.
There is no fast lane.
People who sit in the overtaking lane when there's nothing to overtake then? Is that better?
It's better, thanks. But does it really matter if there is nothing to overtake? How fast do you need to drive?
It's actually an offence if you fail to return to the left-hand lane once you are no longer overtaking, so yes it does matter.
A common problem I find is people going around 5mph below the speed limit for no real reason holding up everyone behind them.
So, do ŷou need to travel 5mph faster or do you need to break the speed limit? Tailgating is just as bad.
Nothing to do will tailgating.
If you are travelling below the speed limit with no clear reason to do so and you are causing a queue of traffic behind you, you are creating a safety hazard and are a dangerous/careless/inconsiderate driver. People have been fined for it and you could fail your driving test for creating a hazard or driving unnecessarily slowly. There's no excuse to do this on a dual-carriageway/motorway since if people are trying to overtake you, you simply move into the left-hand lane. On a single carriageway if you are causing a queue behind you because of your slow speed, the safe thing to do is ensure cars can overtake you or, if the queue is more than a few cars, pull over so traffic can proceed at a safe speed and distance, then you can continue. On country roads or long stretches of single-carriageway like you find in Scotland or Wales it is quite common to see slow vehicles stop and pull over to let the flow of traffic continue - it is the safe and courteous thing to do.
Despite walking up stairs at the train station on the left, twats trying to walk through you. Many people have tried over the years on a football and a GAA pitch, guess what, it doesn't happen.
It's still discretionary though. The killer line is, "The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin". I've emphasised the weasel words that mean you can't depend on it. And if a case did go to course magistrates sentencing guidelines are that 1mph above threshold gets a band A fine and 3 points: http://www.olliers.com/documents/speeding-penalty.pdf
It's still discretionary though. The killer line is, "The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin". I've emphasised the weasel words that mean you can't depend on it. And if a case did go to course magistrates sentencing guidelines are that 1mph above threshold gets a band A fine and 3 points: http://www.olliers.com/documents/speeding-penalty.pdf
I think the discretionary bit is easy to get. You admit your wrong doing, listen to what the policeman says and except the telling off. That's what I have done on 3 occasions, 2 speeding and one red light. My niece, a few years back, talk her way into 3 points and a fine with her must have the last word, I know what I'm doing attitude. She knew a policeman at the same station as the one who gave her the ticket, he said she was always getting the points the moment she opened her mouth.
People who hog the fast line on a dual carriageway.
There is no fast lane.
People who sit in the overtaking lane when there's nothing to overtake then? Is that better?
It's better, thanks. But does it really matter if there is nothing to overtake? How fast do you need to drive?
It's actually an offence if you fail to return to the left-hand lane once you are no longer overtaking, so yes it does matter.
A common problem I find is people going around 5mph below the speed limit for no real reason holding up everyone behind them.
So, do ŷou need to travel 5mph faster or do you need to break the speed limit? Tailgating is just as bad.
Nothing to do will tailgating.
If you are travelling below the speed limit with no clear reason to do so and you are causing a queue of traffic behind you, you are creating a safety hazard and are a dangerous/careless/inconsiderate driver. People have been fined for it and you could fail your driving test for creating a hazard or driving unnecessarily slowly. There's no excuse to do this on a dual-carriageway/motorway since if people are trying to overtake you, you simply move into the left-hand lane. On a single carriageway if you are causing a queue behind you because of your slow speed, the safe thing to do is ensure cars can overtake you or, if the queue is more than a few cars, pull over so traffic can proceed at a safe speed and distance, then you can continue. On country roads or long stretches of single-carriageway like you find in Scotland or Wales it is quite common to see slow vehicles stop and pull over to let the flow of traffic continue - it is the safe and courteous thing to do.
I've been driving for a good number of years now and thing have always been pretty much the same. Generally you don't get Miss Daisy in the outside lane doing 5 mph under the speed limit. What you do get and always have done is, crowded roads with people in the outer lanes doing 75/80mph (and probably faster) and drivers behind thinking the ones in front are not going fast enough and should pull over and let them through. Also because they a travelling faster than my be they should, they have to anchor up hard. This leads them to thinking that the prat in front is going way to slow and is a menace to all road users.
You're right about the tailgating, nothing to with it but it annoys me so I thought I'd throw that in the mix.
When I heard 'lane hogging' which is a terrible driving habit was going to be clamped down on I thought. 'Great'
I see no change and I do a lot of motorway driving. I always drive on the left, I take pride in doing my bit right which is why I probably get more annoyed than I should when someone is sat in the middle lane, or outside lane when the inside lane is clear.
If police made it a compulsory 500 pound fine it would stop.
The trouble is, as displayed on this tread and others about driving habits. People don't realise what they are doing wrong. The Germans and french have it right. Stay on the inside until overtaking is necessary and to show you are doing this they leave the left indicator on. I like that.
Tailgating is obnoxious behaviour but generally people know they are being a nugget when doing that. Not that acknowledgment 9f wankerness makes it ok
When I heard 'lane hogging' which is a terrible driving habit was going to be clamped down on I thought. 'Great'
I see no change and I do a lot of motorway driving. I always drive on the left, I take pride in doing my bit right which is why I probably get more annoyed than I should when someone is sat in the middle lane, or outside lane when the inside lane is clear.
If police made it a compulsory 500 pound fine it would stop.
The trouble is, as displayed on this tread and others about driving habits. People don't realise what they are doing wrong. The Germans and french have it right. Stay on the inside until overtaking is necessary and to show you are doing this they leave the left indicator on. I like that.
Tailgating is obnoxious behaviour but generally people know they are being a nugget when doing that. Not that acknowledgment 9f wankerness makes it ok
Good shout Carter. The French and Germans do not piss about, if you stay in the wrong land they are up your chuff flashing their lights. The trouble is the lawmakers make the laws then reduce coppers on the road to reinforce them. Outside of citys I hardly see a copper in a patrol car. I just barrel up the inside of the self centred (no pun intended) lane hoggers.
Bad driving causes accidents, speeding does not, speed fines are just a tax collected by the Police tax collectors.
Speeding is bad driving and yes it does cause accidents. My friends daughter was killed in a RTA, it was proved speed played a large part in it. Basically the driver was not in control. And if you want to call it a tax thats ok with me but it is one that you volunteer to pay.
While we are on the subject of driving, I've got speeding fines in 10 years, no option but to accept 3 points and a £60 fine. Both of these were from Avon and Somerset Police Force.
Meanwhile, a mate gets caught speeding either in Met or Kent Police territory, and gets the option to accept the 3 points and £60 fine OR take a speed awareness course. He takes the course and therefore doesn't have to pay increased insurance until the points come off his licence, and doesn't have to declar any convictions when applying for jobs etc.
How is that fair? Surely it should be consistent nationwide.
While we are on the subject of driving, I've got speeding fines in 10 years, no option but to accept 3 points and a £60 fine. Both of these were from Avon and Somerset Police Force.
Meanwhile, a mate gets caught speeding either in Met or Kent Police territory, and gets the option to accept the 3 points and £60 fine OR take a speed awareness course. He takes the course and therefore doesn't have to pay increased insurance until the points come off his licence, and doesn't have to declar any convictions when applying for jobs etc.
How is that fair? Surely it should be consistent nationwide.
Bad driving causes accidents, speeding does not, speed fines are just a tax collected by the Police tax collectors.
Speeding is bad driving and yes it does cause accidents. My friends daughter was killed in a RTA, it was proved speed played a large part in it. Basically the driver was not in control. And if you want to call it a tax thats ok with me but it is one that you volunteer to pay.
Sorry to hear of the accident. However speeding is not bad driving and does not cause accidents, inappropriate speeding does, which equates to bad driving, hence the ruling that the driver was not in control. All reports bear testament to the fact that speeding does not cause accidents. The autobahns in Germany are among the safest road in the world, certain sections do not have speed limits, everyone obeys lane discipline, unlike in the UK. As an ex firefighter I have been to many RTA's (when they were called RTAs) and I cannot remember ever being at one that was caused by speeding, car drivers puling out without looking, drivers driving round traffic island the wrong side, people tailgating and rear ending the car in front, but never speeding being the main factor. We are falsely lead to believe that speeding is the problem and Gatso cameras would be the saviour, they are not, they just generate a tax, they cannot see the main cause of accidents and that is bad driving by people who quite frankly do not have a clue.
Despite walking up stairs at the train station on the left, twats trying to walk through you. Many people have tried over the years on a football and a GAA pitch, guess what, it doesn't happen.
Blokes trying to push/ease you out the way, at gigs, when you are reasonably close to the front.
Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads
Driving too fast for the conditions is bad driving Driving too close to the car in front, undertaking and failing to signal are widely accepted as examples of bad driving. However, some drivers fail to accept that driving too fast is also poor driving despite the fact that this is a contributory factor in hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries every year.
Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads
Driving too fast for the conditions is bad driving Driving too close to the car in front, undertaking and failing to signal are widely accepted as examples of bad driving. However, some drivers fail to accept that driving too fast is also poor driving despite the fact that this is a contributory factor in hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries every year.
Are you contributing a General Thing That Annoys You?
When I heard 'lane hogging' which is a terrible driving habit was going to be clamped down on I thought. 'Great'
I see no change and I do a lot of motorway driving. I always drive on the left, I take pride in doing my bit right which is why I probably get more annoyed than I should when someone is sat in the middle lane, or outside lane when the inside lane is clear.
If police made it a compulsory 500 pound fine it would stop.
The trouble is, as displayed on this tread and others about driving habits. People don't realise what they are doing wrong. The Germans and french have it right. Stay on the inside until overtaking is necessary and to show you are doing this they leave the left indicator on. I like that.
Tailgating is obnoxious behaviour but generally people know they are being a nugget when doing that. Not that acknowledgment 9f wankerness makes it ok
Good approach to take re: staying on the left. I've got no issue in admitting I'm not a confident driver. Never have been, never will be. So on a motorway I prefer to be on the left as much as possible.
When you're sat a T junction and there's a stream of traffic going the other way and no fucker will hold fire for 2 seconds to let you squeeze through and be on your way. Nothing boils my piss more when they just refuse to acknowledge your existence, I could get if I was trying to join the queue but you being a selfish arsehat is adding time to my journey when it would affect yours by a matter of seconds
Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads
Driving too fast for the conditions is bad driving Driving too close to the car in front, undertaking and failing to signal are widely accepted as examples of bad driving. However, some drivers fail to accept that driving too fast is also poor driving despite the fact that this is a contributory factor in hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries every year.
From the Government site, the ones that have to justify the camera tax....please! Getting in your car is a main 'factor' driving on the road is a main 'factor', being there is a main 'factor'
When you book a flight with BA and pay more because you think you're to good for Ryan Air and Easy Jet, and then they change it to 8AM in the fucking morning!
Bad driving causes accidents, speeding does not, speed fines are just a tax collected by the Police tax collectors.
Speeding is bad driving and yes it does cause accidents. My friends daughter was killed in a RTA, it was proved speed played a large part in it. Basically the driver was not in control. And if you want to call it a tax thats ok with me but it is one that you volunteer to pay.
The autobahns in Germany are among the safest road in the world, certain sections do not have speed limits, everyone obeys lane discipline, unlike in the UK.
I worked in Germany and drove on the autobahns a fair bit. Its like comparing apples and oranges. The biggest difference is the mentality of the drivers, they mostly obey the laws and road etiquette, they are different animals to us. Also its a bigger country and to me never seem to have the volumes of traffic congestion we do (M25/1/4 car parks). I'll have to disagree with the speed bit though, it would be much safer if we never done away with the man with a red flag walking in front of the car.
Bad driving causes accidents, speeding does not, speed fines are just a tax collected by the Police tax collectors.
Speeding is bad driving and yes it does cause accidents. My friends daughter was killed in a RTA, it was proved speed played a large part in it. Basically the driver was not in control. And if you want to call it a tax thats ok with me but it is one that you volunteer to pay.
The autobahns in Germany are among the safest road in the world, certain sections do not have speed limits, everyone obeys lane discipline, unlike in the UK.
I worked in Germany and drove on the autobahns a fair bit. Its like comparing apples and oranges. The biggest difference is the mentality of the drivers, they mostly obey the laws and road etiquette, they are different animals to us. Also its a bigger country and to me never seem to have the volumes of traffic congestion we do (M25/1/4 car parks). I'll have to disagree with the speed bit though, it would be much safer if we never done away with the man with a red flag walking in front of the car.
When you book a flight with BA and pay more because you think you're to good for Ryan Air and Easy Jet, and then they change it to 8AM in the fucking morning!
Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads
Driving too fast for the conditions is bad driving Driving too close to the car in front, undertaking and failing to signal are widely accepted as examples of bad driving. However, some drivers fail to accept that driving too fast is also poor driving despite the fact that this is a contributory factor in hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries every year.
From the Government site, the ones that have to justify the camera tax....please! Getting in your car is a main 'factor' driving on the road is a main 'factor', being there is a main 'factor'
Bad driving is the main reason people crash
Leaving aside the fact that the government collect the vast majority of statistics on accident causes and therefore have the most reliable objective data, moving on to your example of why speed is just fine and dandy, Germany is currently (and has been for years) looking to reduce speed limits. The relationship between speed and the increase in the number of deaths and injuries has lead to some interesting academic research. Writing about the 'power model' devised by Rune Elvik, from Norway's Institute of Transport Economics, Peter Walker explains what insights it can offer:
Using the most widely accepted statistical model, drawn up by a Norwegian academic using data from 100 studies in more than a dozen countries, an increase in average traffic speeds of just 3mph – a typical change for a 10mph rise – would be expected to cause more than 25 extra deaths a year on motorways and more than 100 serious injuries.
12% of road deaths in Germany are on autobahns. Only 6% of road deaths in the UK are on motorways.
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If you are travelling below the speed limit with no clear reason to do so and you are causing a queue of traffic behind you, you are creating a safety hazard and are a dangerous/careless/inconsiderate driver. People have been fined for it and you could fail your driving test for creating a hazard or driving unnecessarily slowly. There's no excuse to do this on a dual-carriageway/motorway since if people are trying to overtake you, you simply move into the left-hand lane. On a single carriageway if you are causing a queue behind you because of your slow speed, the safe thing to do is ensure cars can overtake you or, if the queue is more than a few cars, pull over so traffic can proceed at a safe speed and distance, then you can continue. On country roads or long stretches of single-carriageway like you find in Scotland or Wales it is quite common to see slow vehicles stop and pull over to let the flow of traffic continue - it is the safe and courteous thing to do.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/road_traffic_offences_guidance_on_fixed_penalty_notices/
It's still discretionary though. The killer line is, "The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) has issued speed enforcement policy guidance, which suggests that enforcement will normally occur when a driver exceeds the speed limit by a particular margin". I've emphasised the weasel words that mean you can't depend on it. And if a case did go to course magistrates sentencing guidelines are that 1mph above threshold gets a band A fine and 3 points:
http://www.olliers.com/documents/speeding-penalty.pdf
That's what I have done on 3 occasions, 2 speeding and one red light.
My niece, a few years back, talk her way into 3 points and a fine with her must have the last word, I know what I'm doing attitude. She knew a policeman at the same station as the one who gave her the ticket, he said she was always getting the points the moment she opened her mouth.
Better to accept what they tell you?
;-)
You're right about the tailgating, nothing to with it but it annoys me so I thought I'd throw that in the mix.
I see no change and I do a lot of motorway driving. I always drive on the left, I take pride in doing my bit right which is why I probably get more annoyed than I should when someone is sat in the middle lane, or outside lane when the inside lane is clear.
If police made it a compulsory 500 pound fine it would stop.
The trouble is, as displayed on this tread and others about driving habits. People don't realise what they are doing wrong. The Germans and french have it right. Stay on the inside until overtaking is necessary and to show you are doing this they leave the left indicator on. I like that.
Tailgating is obnoxious behaviour but generally people know they are being a nugget when doing that. Not that acknowledgment 9f wankerness makes it ok
The trouble is the lawmakers make the laws then reduce coppers on the road to reinforce them. Outside of citys I hardly see a copper in a patrol car.
I just barrel up the inside of the self centred (no pun intended) lane hoggers.
And if you want to call it a tax thats ok with me but it is one that you volunteer to pay.
Meanwhile, a mate gets caught speeding either in Met or Kent Police territory, and gets the option to accept the 3 points and £60 fine OR take a speed awareness course. He takes the course and therefore doesn't have to pay increased insurance until the points come off his licence, and doesn't have to declar any convictions when applying for jobs etc.
How is that fair? Surely it should be consistent nationwide.
However speeding is not bad driving and does not cause accidents, inappropriate speeding does, which equates to bad driving, hence the ruling that the driver was not in control.
All reports bear testament to the fact that speeding does not cause accidents.
The autobahns in Germany are among the safest road in the world, certain sections do not have speed limits, everyone obeys lane discipline, unlike in the UK.
As an ex firefighter I have been to many RTA's (when they were called RTAs) and I cannot remember ever being at one that was caused by speeding, car drivers puling out without looking, drivers driving round traffic island the wrong side, people tailgating and rear ending the car in front, but never speeding being the main factor.
We are falsely lead to believe that speeding is the problem and Gatso cameras would be the saviour, they are not, they just generate a tax, they cannot see the main cause of accidents and that is bad driving by people who quite frankly do not have a clue.
Guess what, it doesn't happen.
The facts
Speed is one of the main factors in fatal road accidents
In 2013, 3,064 people were killed or seriously injured in crashes where speed was a factor
The risk of death is approximately four times higher when a pedestrian is hit at 40mph than at 30mph
Fatal accidents are four times as likely on rural “A” roads as urban “A” roads
Driving too fast for the conditions is bad driving
Driving too close to the car in front, undertaking and failing to signal are widely accepted as examples of bad driving. However, some drivers fail to accept that driving too fast is also poor driving despite the fact that this is a contributory factor in hundreds of deaths and thousands of injuries every year.
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;-)
Actually, people bickering on the Jokes thread generally annoy me. I mean it's for jokes - surely one place CL sniping should be banned from?
Wouldn't you agree Rob?
Dogs, chewing me Clare Rainers
Getting in your car is a main 'factor' driving on the road is a main 'factor', being there is a main 'factor'
Bad driving is the main reason people crash
I worked in Germany and drove on the autobahns a fair bit. Its like comparing apples and oranges. The biggest difference is the mentality of the drivers, they mostly obey the laws and road etiquette, they are different animals to us.
Also its a bigger country and to me never seem to have the volumes of traffic congestion we do (M25/1/4 car parks).
I'll have to disagree with the speed bit though, it would be much safer if we never done away with the man with a red flag walking in front of the car.
The relationship between speed and the increase in the number of deaths and injuries has lead to some interesting academic research. Writing about the 'power model' devised by Rune Elvik, from Norway's Institute of Transport Economics, Peter Walker explains what insights it can offer:
Using the most widely accepted statistical model, drawn up by a Norwegian academic using data from 100 studies in more than a dozen countries, an increase in average traffic speeds of just 3mph – a typical change for a 10mph rise – would be expected to cause more than 25 extra deaths a year on motorways and more than 100 serious injuries.
12% of road deaths in Germany are on autobahns. Only 6% of road deaths in the UK are on motorways.
:-)