that is your right and it is the right of others to feel that they dont see it that way it
your posts have not stated that it is right or wrong or try to put a thought into others mind about if it is morally right or wrong and for that i have appreciated your point of view, Others have taken a different approach and have insinuated that no one should go that the fans of MK who have chosen to take them as their own club as scum.
Most Charlton fans will go there to see us tan their hides and in return help not let them reach the highest gravy train of them all the premier league and that is what i would see as more effective to support all your points
NLA,
I think the homeclub keep all the gate receipts nowadays, and I know that my £30 won't make too much difference, but I believe what has happened is wrong,so therefore I won't go. My dads next door neighbour was Dean Lewingtons Grandmother (She died acouple of years back, RIP), and even though she knew nothing about football she said she told her Grandson he was playiong for a "wrong" team.
And rightly so MOG, the difference being with your post you are not insinuating those that disagree with that standpoint are wrong or that those who have grown up with MK in their city/town/village are scum.
that is the only point i am defending
i am not ashamed of supporting cafc in a place that others deem morally wrong i would be ashamed of supporting MK dons over AFC if i was a womble fan
If they've grown up with MK in their city than they're being taken there by someone who supports franchises
If every away fan boycotted the ground then perhaps the franchise method may fail, likewise if fans boycotted a game because ticket prices were too high we will see a decrease in prices. Instead fans loyalty & pride goes before anything else and the game is worse off as a result.
I think it will be interesting to see how many posters who claim to follow their club everywhere regardless of who they're playing actually go to the game.
I heard a rumour from a very unreliable source that when we are taken over we are going to buy Pompey's place in the Premiership as they are £90m in debt.
So we won't have to play MK Dons but we might get some flak for buying our way back to the top flight.
Can't see any issue. All clubs are franchises to a certain extent, the only difference here is that they moved because they had very little local support. I'm glad for AFC Wimbledon, but actually it is the strength of feeling about MK that has given them their support. Had they stayed as old Wimbledon they'd have drifted down the leagues and out of existence as less and less people cared. The big bad Dons monster gave them all something to rally behind and has actually saved the club and given it a support that is far more loyal than the one Wimbledon had when it was at the top level.
[cite]Posted By: Mortimerician[/cite]
I'm glad for AFC Wimbledon, but actually it is the strength of feeling about MK that has given them their support. Had they stayed as old Wimbledon they'd have drifted down the leagues and out of existence as less and less people cared. The big bad Dons monster gave them all something to rally behind and has actually saved the club and given it a support that is far more loyal than the one Wimbledon had when it was at the top level.
that is a very fair point in my opinion. I don't think anyone can now doubt that AFC fans are far more loyal than those of the previous Wimbledon regime. They certainly have a far larger, vocal and loyal away following at Conference South level than they ever did in the Premiership.
As for Maccy D's, i now put them in the same category as the West Ham decision. It was wrong, should never been allowed and the authorities are what have let football down by allowing it. But it has happened now.
Its success will rely on if long-term it will be supported by the people of Milton Keynes, not whether away fans go there or not. As i said years ago at the start of this thread, i would not pay to go to a friendly there, but i will go there to follow MY team in a league or cup game. Does that make me a traitor to footballing morals ? Possibly, but that's how it is.
[cite]Posted By: DA9[/cite]Still amazes me how any Charlton fan, with our history, can accept MK Dons franchise FC, how short some of our memories are, I wont go near the place.
It's not that I don't accept them. What happened was clearly wrong. But us moping and groaning over it isn't going to change anything. They exist, we are playing them.
[cite]Posted By: BDL[/cite]It's not that I don't accept them. What happened was clearly wrong. But us moping and groaning over it isn't going to change anything. They exist, we are playing them.
So does that mean we throw all of our principles (based on our history) out of the window because "they exist" ?
Principles are great but the reality is they got away with it, that's football today I'm afraid, a world where the vast majority of owners don't give a crap about the ordinary fan.
I hate to say it but I suspect MK won't be the last team to be uprooted from their home.
We will play them in 09/10 and it would have happened one day anyway.
When Woolwich Arsenal moved to to Islington, how many people from South London went with them ? Is there any club historain who would know the answer ?
principles are fine i have mine some of you have yours it doesnt make me forget our history or the struggle we endured in fact it made the ride more enjoyable the same may be said for afc who knows, that being said it wont deny me the right to watch my club anywhere they play just because some club has acted in a reprehensible way. it is not my fault or the fault of thousands of football fans who follow their club over land and sea
Hypothetically, at the end of next season Charlton V MK Dons Play Off Final at Wembley. I believe the gate receipts are shared or for the purpose of this scenario, let's assume that they are. Therefore if you go, some of your money will be going to the MK Dons.
Who on here would miss Charlton at Wembley for their principles?
Thing is though can you realistically compare Arsenal when they moved and Wimbledon? Being a football fan back then was surely nothing like when The dons moved? Club loyalties and passionate support levels surely were not on the same level?
[cite]Posted By: nth london addick[/cite]great question CE
Stupid question, of cause I would go. How much of the gate will go to MK Dons, 10-25%? I wouldn't go to a play-off semi there though. A home cup tie where the gate being split 50/50? maybe not.
I'll be staging my own protest as will others and I understand why so many of you are going as you want to support your team (and have made a good argument why people should go). I won't hold it against you, it's a free country, although I'm slightly disappointed and surprised that so few are protesting, as you probably are that some of us are. Will the protest achieve anything? Of cause not, what's £25 to a football club? It does means I'll stay loyal to my principles though, and that's important to me as it is to everyone else.
Enjoy your time in Milton Keynes, I've been there and it's an absolute shite hole!
[cite]Posted By: BDL[/cite]Agree with your sentiments Sash but...... It's happened and there is no going back now.
I made the example of Arsenal and MK just to see what reaction I got. From my own point of view, they are welcome to their ex-council tip in the great expanse of concrete north of the Thames. Without them moving, I and you would never have had our Charlton!
Yes MK "stole" a league place. Yes they have no history and yes for the grace of god it could have been us or 80 odd other clubs. But without MK, AFC would never have happened and the AFC fans that I work with (3 of them) would never ever swap the rollercoaster they have enjoyed over the past few seasons, their words not mine.
Anyway, wonder what Kingstonian fans have to say about this? ;-)
No one is forcing anyone to go to Stadium MK, but face facts - We will be playing them next season. You have a choice.
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if it wasn't for afc buying the moving in and buying the ground from the owners (who were ripping kingstonian off) and renting it to them for a cheap price then kingstonian would've probably gone out of business.
Bit of a straw man argument with Wembley and the play off finals. They would receive less the half the gate receipts, 10% goes to the league and other clubs and it's not at Stadium MK.
tradition in the CCC is that the losing team keeps all the gate money due to the two clubs as the winning team is getting the Prem bounty.
disregarding that of course I would go and see Charlton v MK Dons at Wembley. I'd go to a play-off semi too.
I would think twice about a league game. Not that bothered about MK Dons to be honest but would still be slightly unhappy about going there and giving them money for a routine game.
I do think it is an interesting case study of how a franchise can work and I'm sure that there will be more than a few people looking at it.
Another question? Stadium MK is hosting an England U21 game next month. Would you go?
If Stadium MK was hosting a full England game would you go?
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]Bit of a straw man argument with Wembley and the play off finals. They would receive less the half the gate receipts, 10% goes to the league and other clubs and it's not at Stadium MK.
So if they received 40% of gate receipts, 80,000 at an average of £30 = £2.4M, 40% of this = £600K.
So MK Dons might get £600K.
Would you go? Or would you miss out on possibly one of our greatest days on principle?
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your posts have not stated that it is right or wrong or try to put a thought into others mind about if it is morally right or wrong and for that i have appreciated your point of view, Others have taken a different approach and have insinuated that no one should go that the fans of MK who have chosen to take them as their own club as scum.
Most Charlton fans will go there to see us tan their hides and in return help not let them reach the highest gravy train of them all the premier league and that is what i would see as more effective to support all your points
I think the homeclub keep all the gate receipts nowadays, and I know that my £30 won't make too much difference, but I believe what has happened is wrong,so therefore I won't go. My dads next door neighbour was Dean Lewingtons Grandmother (She died acouple of years back, RIP), and even though she knew nothing about football she said she told her Grandson he was playiong for a "wrong" team.
PS. Dean L is MK's Captain.
that is the only point i am defending
i am not ashamed of supporting cafc in a place that others deem morally wrong i would be ashamed of supporting MK dons over AFC if i was a womble fan
If every away fan boycotted the ground then perhaps the franchise method may fail, likewise if fans boycotted a game because ticket prices were too high we will see a decrease in prices. Instead fans loyalty & pride goes before anything else and the game is worse off as a result.
I think it will be interesting to see how many posters who claim to follow their club everywhere regardless of who they're playing actually go to the game.
Nobody is supporting MK Dons, nobody is supporting the franchise method, nobody is supporting concrete cows.
I'll be supporting Charlton and putting my support for Charlton above my greviances and disdain at what happened to the Dons.
Maybe if those during our "Wilderness Years" were worrying about other clubs and not Number One we wouldnt even have a club now.
And that's a 3/4/5 years old fault? Yeah, right - they're scum.
Dad: "No, you're a piece of f**king scum just thinking about it, now go and support Man U"
So we won't have to play MK Dons but we might get some flak for buying our way back to the top flight.
No one likes us, we don't care
that is a very fair point in my opinion. I don't think anyone can now doubt that AFC fans are far more loyal than those of the previous Wimbledon regime. They certainly have a far larger, vocal and loyal away following at Conference South level than they ever did in the Premiership.
As for Maccy D's, i now put them in the same category as the West Ham decision. It was wrong, should never been allowed and the authorities are what have let football down by allowing it. But it has happened now.
Its success will rely on if long-term it will be supported by the people of Milton Keynes, not whether away fans go there or not. As i said years ago at the start of this thread, i would not pay to go to a friendly there, but i will go there to follow MY team in a league or cup game. Does that make me a traitor to footballing morals ? Possibly, but that's how it is.
Precisely!
by going there & giving them money (to survive ?) other people "might" see it as the way forward.
So does that mean we throw all of our principles (based on our history) out of the window because "they exist" ?
I hate to say it but I suspect MK won't be the last team to be uprooted from their home.
We will play them in 09/10 and it would have happened one day anyway.
For the record I will not be going.
Is there any club historain who would know the answer ?
Hypothetically, at the end of next season Charlton V MK Dons Play Off Final at Wembley. I believe the gate receipts are shared or for the purpose of this scenario, let's assume that they are. Therefore if you go, some of your money will be going to the MK Dons.
Who on here would miss Charlton at Wembley for their principles?
I'll be staging my own protest as will others and I understand why so many of you are going as you want to support your team (and have made a good argument why people should go). I won't hold it against you, it's a free country, although I'm slightly disappointed and surprised that so few are protesting, as you probably are that some of us are. Will the protest achieve anything? Of cause not, what's £25 to a football club? It does means I'll stay loyal to my principles though, and that's important to me as it is to everyone else.
Enjoy your time in Milton Keynes, I've been there and it's an absolute shite hole!
I would only watch them in a league game at the valley.
That's not what you said before :-)
So as I thought people's principles may only extend so far and the money you give them is ok as long as it's not too much.
NB I'm only playing devils advocate because I'm not a wind up merchant!
disregarding that of course I would go and see Charlton v MK Dons at Wembley. I'd go to a play-off semi too.
I would think twice about a league game. Not that bothered about MK Dons to be honest but would still be slightly unhappy about going there and giving them money for a routine game.
I do think it is an interesting case study of how a franchise can work and I'm sure that there will be more than a few people looking at it.
Another question? Stadium MK is hosting an England U21 game next month. Would you go?
If Stadium MK was hosting a full England game would you go?
So if they received 40% of gate receipts, 80,000 at an average of £30 = £2.4M, 40% of this = £600K.
So MK Dons might get £600K.
Would you go? Or would you miss out on possibly one of our greatest days on principle?
England game at Stadium MK, No
World cup game there in 2018, No
Fryer and Noades would have loved you CE