I think it's more the replacements that worry me now and getting the right quality of players in that can make a real difference. Might have to be 2 quality strikers and a goalscoring No10 to bridge the gap in goals we're losing. Whoever comes in is going to have to hit the ground running.
What happened to 'we get our replacements in first'!! What happened to 'we are under no pressure to sell until we get our asking price' fucking lies as per usual! sometimes I fucking hate this club 😫🤬😖
Hey chill mate...🍺 We haven't sold Alfie yet, now maybe we will, maybe we won't, but at least wait till a decision has been made, I am sure Nathan has all avenues covered, and any replacement lined up should the worse case scenario materialise...🤞
Maybe not officially but reading Swisdoms posts he's gone. Problem is we've been down this road so many times over the years. Just for once couldn't we bring in a replacement before selling our best (only fit) striker.
If Jones can not find a system that Alfie fits into then the Welsh windbag should go
I find it difficult to understand why Jones can't find a place in the team for a striker who gives 100% every game & more or less guarantees you 20+ goals a season.
Maybe that was why he was such a failure at Saints & Stoke
How many goals does he score with his head, or make clearances with his head? How many assists did he have? How good is he at winning the ball and holding it up to bring others into play? Well sorry, but you did ask.
It's clear why Jones doesn't want him starting games. Whether that will be the right decision no one knows. I'm not happy, but it may or may not be a good decision.
Yeah they said the same thing about Killer, all he does is score goals.
What happened to 'we get our replacements in first'!! What happened to 'we are under no pressure to sell until we get our asking price' fucking lies as per usual! sometimes I fucking hate this club 😫🤬😖
Hey chill mate...🍺 We haven't sold Alfie yet, now maybe we will, maybe we won't, but at least wait till a decision has been made, I am sure Nathan has all avenues covered, and any replacement lined up should the worse case scenario materialise...🤞
Maybe not officially but reading Swisdoms posts he's gone. Problem is we've been down this road so many times over the years. Just for once couldn't we bring in a replacement before selling our best (only fit) striker.
He's not actually gone yet so technically they/we could be holding off on completion until a replacement is in.
If Jones can not find a system that Alfie fits into then the Welsh windbag should go
I find it difficult to understand why Jones can't find a place in the team for a striker who gives 100% every game & more or less guarantees you 20+ goals a season.
Maybe that was why he was such a failure at Saints & Stoke
How many goals does he score with his head, or make clearances with his head? How many assists did he have? How good is he at winning the ball and holding it up to bring others into play? Well sorry, but you did ask.
It's clear why Jones doesn't want him starting games. Whether that will be the right decision no one knows. I'm not happy, but it may or may not be a good decision.
Yeah they said the same thing about Killer, all he does is score goals.
That 1985/86 promotion after he left the club to go to Gillingham must’ve never happened if moving on your top scorer is such a disaster…
If Jones can not find a system that Alfie fits into then the Welsh windbag should go
I find it difficult to understand why Jones can't find a place in the team for a striker who gives 100% every game & more or less guarantees you 20+ goals a season.
Maybe that was why he was such a failure at Saints & Stoke
How many goals does he score with his head, or make clearances with his head? How many assists did he have? How good is he at winning the ball and holding it up to bring others into play? Well sorry, but you did ask.
It's clear why Jones doesn't want him starting games. Whether that will be the right decision no one knows. I'm not happy, but it may or may not be a good decision.
Yeah they said the same thing about Killer, all he does is score goals.
That 1985/86 promotion after he left the club to go to Gillingham must’ve never happened if moving on your top scorer is such a disaster…
Mike Flanagan was the top goalscorer during the 1984/1985 season with Robert Lee a close second
Let’s just let the man choose his own family life and destiny with the support of his wife and kids. If it works for them and the club get a suitable package to invest in other players then so be it.
It’s been quite clear he wasn’t Jones’s choice so it makes sense for us as a club to cash in on him too. It’s of course a loss as I believe he’s a fantastic striker. But we’ve been a crap team with a couple of really good players for far too long meaning we’ve come up against teams without the super talented players but with far better coaching and team ethic and we’ve been beaten owing to greater hard work and Tactical nous.
I don’t think this will happen as much this year because of hiring a real manager and the players that we’re bringing in.
So let’s see what the club can do with the money and see where Nathan Jones can take us.
Not ITK, but perhaps May knew Jones did not want him and no matter what his wife said, if May not happy, she would like to move back near her family. May got his agent to find a club near his Yorkshire home and Huddersfield interested. May would not say anything because he knew Charlton would not let him go unless they got a replacement. so he had to be patient. Not defending the owners, but if it is between May and Jones, they have no choice as they promised Jones, he would have the last word on transfers. As I said, not ITK, just trying to put some sense to it. Now pull my idea to pieces
I think now the term "trust the process" is quite pertinent
I'm enthused by the purchases we've made and I don't agree with selling Alfie (if we do)- but I do see some logic behind it. If we get promoted he'll be 32 - his value is never going to be as high as it is right now. We all know that. Another thing to consider is Alfie was late into the game. He didn't follow the "academy route" and so he maybe doesn't have the diligence Nathan likes in his players. He wants players that play in zones, not mavericks who drift about - which Alfie has a tendency to do. You can't argue it's not effective for him but I get the impression it infuriates Nathan. Factor in too that Alfie freely admitted to me he needed to be playing regularly and, it would seem, he either was told he wouldn't be a guaranteed starter or he figured it out for himself and so has been looking to move all summer. We just don't know but the allure of being near his wife's family, presumably being paid more, presumably picking up a nice slice of money for the transfer and working for a manager he really enjoyed. It all stacks up I suppose.
As much as the rumoured £750k fee seems light - it would be the 3rd largest League 1 to League 1 transfer fee ever (Mo Eisa (24) and our mate John Marquis (27) - both in 2019 the only ones higher) so when you look at it that way you can perhaps see some of the rationale behind it.
I'm just trying to see some light at the end of the tunnel here - I just hope it’s not a train coming at me!
PWR other posts. Entirely agree with the comments here, but if May wants to go &/or we are happy to lose to a promotion rival, it shouldn’t be for £750K. If he was a Peterborough player, no way would they be selling him for that, despite his age. Guaranteed goals should mean guaranteed top price.
Leaving aside the family situation for a bit and reflecting on the football and the player, I believe whatever kind of football system we play, a goalscorer as good as May could be accommodated.
Whether big man up front, May on his own, May with a partner, slow build up, long ball, getting it wide and crossing, May playing just behind a lone striker, I think May could fit into all those systems, with the main feature, the main feature I emphasise, being he knows where the back of the net is, and puts it there time after time.
Just in case anybody thinks this, no way on earth does May take things away from other players, steals their thunder, plays selfishly, inhibits the guys. He is as generous as the next guy, but he can play and he can score.
Is there really a system of football out there that could not have May fit into it, especially at our third tier level?
How can you not want a 20+ goal a season striker in your team, runs his socks off. Chases down the opposition. FFS we ain't Real Madrid or Barcelona what the fcuk does NJ actually expect to have at his disposal.? Doesn't suit his style of play? Well fcuk me it's League 1. Get used to it.
We won't sign anyone better than May this window. We don't seem to have any interest in replacing CBT despite letting him go 6 months ago. We really struggled to score last season as it is... Can't wait to watch another mid table battle
I'd be overjoyed to be involved in a mid-table battle.....
We won't sign anyone better than May this window. We don't seem to have any interest in replacing CBT despite letting him go 6 months ago. We really struggled to score last season as it is... Can't wait to watch another mid table battle
I'd be overjoyed to be involved in a mid-table battle.....
You were lucky, we used to dream of mid table battles. Mid table battles are luxury.
We won't sign anyone better than May this window. We don't seem to have any interest in replacing CBT despite letting him go 6 months ago. We really struggled to score last season as it is... Can't wait to watch another mid table battle
To be fair, we have no interest in replacing CBT because we’re not playing with wingers any more. If we switch to a lb and lw during the game, it sounds like Small and Edwards can play both positions.
You may be right about the mid table battle, but I’m confident based on the players recruited, the better science department and the most qualified manager we’ve had in years that this will be the best season we’ve had in a while.
We lost JRS after the 22/23 season, didnt replace him / his goals and finished lower in 23/24.
We've lost CBT in 23/24, haven't replaced him /his goals (because we dont now play with wingers ?) and..........
Who says we haven’t already got a replacement sorted and who says the sum being widely quoted is correct? Bit rich to say we’re being lied to, I don’t get that comment one little bit.🤔
Jones said it himself earlier in the week! Ok he may have replacements lined up unusual that nothing has leaked out only the Ipswich guy who they seem to want over the odds for, the price,if £750,000 is accurate, less than the original offer if insiders are to be believed, I know Alfie wanted to come to us so as I see it he has been pushed out, my opinion only angry of Charlton Life
He not been pushed out by anyone NJ was just been honest with him about not starting games next season ..
We won't sign anyone better than May this window. We don't seem to have any interest in replacing CBT despite letting him go 6 months ago. We really struggled to score last season as it is... Can't wait to watch another mid table battle
To be fair, we have no interest in replacing CBT because we’re not playing with wingers any more. If we switch to a lb and lw during the game, it sounds like Small and Edwards can play both positions.
You may be right about the mid table battle, but I’m confident based on the players recruited, the better science department and the most qualified manager we’ve had in years that this will be the best season we’ve had in a while.
We lost JRS after the 22/23 season, didnt replace him / his goals and finished lower in 23/24.
We've lost CBT in 23/24, haven't replaced him /his goals (because we dont now play with wingers ?) and..........
The problem with 23/24 wasn’t losing Rak-Sakyi. If you want to make it as simplistic as replacing his goals, we did that with Alfie.
The problem with the 23/24 season was that up until the point Nathan Jones took over we had conceded the 3rd most goals in the league, behind only Carlisle and Fleetwood.
I think everyone has forgotten that CBT wanted to leave and move back up north. If you want to see him next season wait until the camera shows the Derby bench.
If Jones can not find a system that Alfie fits into then the Welsh windbag should go
I find it difficult to understand why Jones can't find a place in the team for a striker who gives 100% every game & more or less guarantees you 20+ goals a season.
Maybe that was why he was such a failure at Saints & Stoke
How many goals does he score with his head, or make clearances with his head?
Jesus....I've heard it all now.
That Simonsen bloke was crap. Too small, couldn't defend corners & couldn't out jump their 6ft 3 centre half. So glad we gave him back to Barcelona.
If Jones can not find a system that Alfie fits into then the Welsh windbag should go
I find it difficult to understand why Jones can't find a place in the team for a striker who gives 100% every game & more or less guarantees you 20+ goals a season.
Maybe that was why he was such a failure at Saints & Stoke
How many goals does he score with his head, or make clearances with his head?
Jesus....I've heard it all now.
That Simonsen bloke was crap. Too small, couldn't defend corners & couldn't out jump their 6ft 3 centre half. So glad we gave him back to Barcelona.
I think it's more the replacements that worry me now and getting the right quality of players in that can make a real difference. Might have to be 2 quality strikers and a goalscoring No10 to bridge the gap in goals we're losing. Whoever comes in is going to have to hit the ground running.
Very hard to replace last seasons top goal scorer.
The bloke who was second got promoted.
3rd was Devante Cole (?). I suppose we could try bidding for him.
Or take a punt on someone who scored 11 goals in this league last season (his best ever).
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It’s been quite clear he wasn’t Jones’s choice so it makes sense for us as a club to cash in on him too. It’s of course a loss as I believe he’s a fantastic striker. But we’ve been a crap team with a couple of really good players for far too long meaning we’ve come up against teams without the super talented players but with far better coaching and team ethic and we’ve been beaten owing to greater hard work and Tactical nous.
So let’s see what the club can do with the money and see where Nathan Jones can take us.
Whether big man up front, May on his own, May with a partner, slow build up, long ball, getting it wide and crossing, May playing just behind a lone striker, I think May could fit into all those systems, with the main feature, the main feature I emphasise, being he knows where the back of the net is, and puts it there time after time.
Just in case anybody thinks this, no way on earth does May take things away from other players, steals their thunder, plays selfishly, inhibits the guys. He is as generous as the next guy, but he can play and he can score.
Is there really a system of football out there that could not have May fit into it, especially at our third tier level?
We've lost CBT in 23/24, haven't replaced him /his goals (because we dont now play with wingers ?) and..........
The problem with the 23/24 season was that up until the point Nathan Jones took over we had conceded the 3rd most goals in the league, behind only Carlisle and Fleetwood.
Convenient eh ?
If you want to see him next season wait until the camera shows the Derby bench.
That Simonsen bloke was crap. Too small, couldn't defend corners & couldn't out jump their 6ft 3 centre half. So glad we gave him back to Barcelona.
The bloke who was second got promoted.
3rd was Devante Cole (?). I suppose we could try bidding for him.
Or take a punt on someone who scored 11 goals in this league last season (his best ever).
I'm glad it's not my decision.