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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Cambridge Utd: Saturday 9th December 2023 | KO 3.00PM
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I'm not splitting hairs - I'm stating facts which you seem to ignoreMelrose said:
Stop splitting hairs. At 2-0 up we should have won the fucking game. The reason we didn't was largely down to Appleton. You can think what you like.lancashire lad said:
Your reply is a load of rubbish. Elewere came on AFTER the 1st goal so that substitution had no effect on that goal and the second goal was due to poor refereeing on the players on the pitch - do try and get you fact right please.Melrose said:
The last 10 mins, Cambridge were pushing. However we had the game won. Oh no, Appleton brings on a centre half (Elewere). Takes off the 2 players that would threaten Cambridge and keep the ball. We lost all shape and invited pressure. He should have brought Louis Watson on. Chem Cambell was knackered in the last 20 mins, understandably. A Sunday league manager would not have done what Appleton did. Then in the press conference there is some nonsense about shorter players not defending corners. He blames all, but himself. He's a dud and most of us knew it when he was appointedlancashire lad said:While I don't think it was Apples best match, to blame him for the 2 late subs is just wrong. CBT was subbed one minute after the 1st Cambridge goal and May was subbed 3 minutes before the penalty, please explain to me how those two substitutions lead to the two goals.
I didn't know the game involved copulation.0 -
Have to agree with this. By all means do it if you're a goal up away from home against a better side with your backs to the wall.Valley Ant said:The defensive minded substitutions gave out all the wrong signals.
Our aim was to hold out at home against a team near the bottom and waste as much time as we could. Forget about attacking.
Such a bad negative mindset.
But i will never understand the mindset in going defensive at home to a side you should be beating. Immediately you just invite unnecessary pressure on yourselves. As soon as they got 1 back you just knew what was coming.8 -
Not saying Appleton has been great (subs yesterday were poor), but there's a tendency here/football in general to point the finger directly at the manager as soon as things go wrong. With the current cop of players do people think under a different manager we would be in the play offs?
If yes i'd love to know who that might be, has to be attainable too.
The last successful manager we've had is Bowyer, but even then it seemed to go to pieces the last few months of his tenure. Since then we've had Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden and Appleton - some better than others but at large all unsuccessful. So are they all bad managers? Pretty impossible to say if you only give them X amount of months in charge. I genuinely believe people overplay how much influence a manager has in the way of a result. The common denominator has been poor, and often very late recruitment of players. Don't expect anything to change if we parted ways with Appleton.
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Easier said than done... May scored two penalties recently against a Goalkeeper he'd have been taking penalties against in training for the last few yearsCovered End said:
He could study the penalty takers previous penalties.Bailey said:
How does he 'work on this' ? Saving a penalty is down to guessing which way the penalty taker is going to place the penalty, some are good at saving pens, almost like a 'knack' but it can't be taught.EveshamAddick said:
He really needs to be working on this - who’s goalkeeping coach these days?Bedsaddick said:Has Maynard Brewer ever got near a penalty?
Covered end junior knows where it's going 4/5 and I guess right/know much of the time.
We both thought he'd put it down the middle yesterday as he'd be nervous and not confident enough to try for a corner.
He could also try diving as well if he's going to go left or right.
Generally he just seems to "fall out of the way".0 -
Most of our players are too soft to want to attack and head the ball at both ends of the pitch.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think he is spot on in his assessment in all honesty. I am glad he knows the softness in the side and hope he can address it in January. Meanwhile he has to find a way to get as many points as possible in December. It was a mistake playing Rylah and he has to start Kanu from now on. It was a mistake making the subs he did but I think there were sound reasons for it. However, the mistake was that we are not a team that can sit on anything. That would be my main criticism. If we are thinking of next Saturday, those two points dropped were more accesable to us than any at Barnsley. Not to say we can't get a point or three there but it is going to be very tough.Braziliance said:
This bloke should never have been given the job, blames everything but himself. Can't wait to see his next excuse.
It's your job to play to our strengths mate? Why take the job if you think there's this many issues.
I wonder who the next cheap option will be when Appleton inevitably gets the cut.
I think it may be linked to our soft underbelly, but our performance both attacking and defending set pieces is incredibly poor.
The evidence is that the opposition do it far more than us.3 -
Louis Watson has been unbelievably rank in his last 2 performances (and I speak as a fan of his)DOUCHER said:
so why drop Louis Watson who was fit, energetic, mobile, sharp etc etc and play fraser who, lets be honest has some attributes but physicality and mobility are woefully lacking - physically he is a bit he is a bit of a 'weed', as is mgrandles yet apples has dropped Louis Watson and tried to shoe horn these 2 in - bits of what he says are true but he ain't managing the situation well - far from it.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think he is spot on in his assessment in all honesty. I am glad he knows the softness in the side and hope he can address it in January. Meanwhile he has to find a way to get as many points as possible in December. It was a mistake playing Rylah and he has to start Kanu from now on. It was a mistake making the subs he did but I think there were sound reasons for it. However, the mistake was that we are not a team that can sit on anything. That would be my main criticism. If we are thinking of next Saturday, those two points dropped were more accesable to us than any at Barnsley. Not to say we can't get a point or three there but it is going to be very tough.Braziliance said:
This bloke should never have been given the job, blames everything but himself. Can't wait to see his next excuse.
It's your job to play to our strengths mate? Why take the job if you think there's this many issues.
I wonder who the next cheap option will be when Appleton inevitably gets the cut.
I think it may be linked to our soft underbelly, but our performance both attacking and defending set pieces is incredibly poor.3 -
Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?0
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He should have May up near the half way line when we’re defending corners, not in our six yard box.Melrose said:
The last 10 mins, Cambridge were pushing. However we had the game won. Oh no, Appleton brings on a centre half (Elewere). Takes off the 2 players that would threaten Cambridge and keep the ball. We lost all shape and invited pressure. He should have brought Louis Watson on. Chem Cambell was knackered in the last 20 mins, understandably. A Sunday league manager would not have done what Appleton did. Then in the press conference there is some nonsense about shorter players not defending corners. He blames all, but himself. He's a dud and most of us knew it when he was appointedlancashire lad said:While I don't think it was Apples best match, to blame him for the 2 late subs is just wrong. CBT was subbed one minute after the 1st Cambridge goal and May was subbed 3 minutes before the penalty, please explain to me how those two substitutions lead to the two goals.3 -
Because May was offside but collected/touch the ball in our half. The Law was changed a few seasons agoValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?3 -
Terry on Comms talked about it at the time... suggesting there is a rule stating that the offside free kick can be taken where the infringement happensValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?0 - Sponsored links:
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Agree with you about managers. I’ve seen a few comments along lines or crap players crap/league 1 manager. But surely a good manager needs good players?cafcsinger said:Not saying Appleton has been great (subs yesterday were poor), but there's a tendency here/football in general to point the finger directly at the manager as soon as things go wrong. With the current cop of players do people think under a different manager we would be in the play offs?
If yes i'd love to know who that might be, has to be attainable too.
The last successful manager we've had is Bowyer, but even then it seemed to go to pieces the last few months of his tenure. Since then we've had Adkins, Jackson, Garner, Holden and Appleton - some better than others but at large all unsuccessful. So are they all bad managers? Pretty impossible to say if you only give them X amount of months in charge. I genuinely believe people overplay how much influence a manager has in the way of a result. The common denominator has been poor, and often very late recruitment of players. Don't expect anything to change if we parted ways with Appleton.0 -
Thank you.JohnnyH2 said:
Because May was offside but collected/touch the ball in our half. The Law was changed a few seasons agoValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?
I did Google it but only found the old rule.
It's a good job he didn't run all the way back to collect the ball off our keeper then.
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Makes no sense, every other time you’ve off side when the ball is kicked and the free kick is taken where the player was standing. However if you go back into your own half, it’s taken where you get the ball.ForeverAddickted said:
Terry on Comms talked about it at the time... suggesting there is a rule stating that the offside free kick can be taken where the infringement happensValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?1 -
Nailed it.EveshamAddick said:Was it Curbs who said don’t get too low with the defeats and don’t get too high with the wins? It wasn’t long ago many on here were quite happy with “Mickey Apples” - don’t forget that’s still only 2 league defeats in 13 under Appleton.Those calling for Louis Watson to have come on yesterday - didn’t he play against Reading midweek and folk on here were saying he was shit?
Some on here are saying that CBT will leave in January which will be a disaster for our season and others are saying he is shit and lazy and doesn’t do anything. That’s our second top scorer and highest assister.
Appleton gets criticised for playing a weakened side in the FA cup, and then for playing a full strength side in the League Cup. He gets criticised for leaving senior players on until the end and also for taking them off with 5 on the clock. These players are not his players and people talk about the loans being frozen out - but they could well be leaving in January in any case.
Those criticising AMB - Isted would probably be first choice but he’s injured. I don’t think any of us want to see Walker again if it can be avoided.
Appleton has steadied the ship. At the end of August we were 19th, with 3 points from 5 games. With only 2 defeats since then, we’ve suffered injuries to key players (Chuks, Miles, Fraser, Camara to name but 4) and we’re still on the fringes of the play offs. May is on fire and even some of those who folk have decided are shit, like Thomas and Hector, have started to play better. We finally have a fit left back. The owners are talking about strengthening in January, with hopefully Appleton getting players in that are endorsed by him.
This is a key part of the season now, lots of games coming up and the January window. Let’s see where we are come 1st February before we write off the season, Appleton and the owners.3 -
Yes - that's what I thought, lightweight loses the tackle, falls to the ground and they go through for a penalty.Chunes said:In the lead up to the penalty, is that Scott Fraser falling to the ground when he's in a position to challenge for the ball?1 -
JohnnyH2 said:
Because May was offside but collected/touch the ball in our half. The Law was changed a few seasons agoValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?
Great, so in theory you can be offside on the edge of your own box...🤷♂️1 -
Correcteastterrace6168 said:JohnnyH2 said:
Because May was offside but collected/touch the ball in our half. The Law was changed a few seasons agoValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?
Great, so in theory you can be offside on the edge of your own box...🤷♂️1 -
he said when jacko was manager he would be happy to come in and help, offer advice - be almost like keith peacock when he was manager - why o why does no owner make this happen? - curbishley turned us into a serious football club again after years of crap and decline - he won london derby's he did the double over millwall in 96 and effectively relegated them - its an absolute no brainer - it would put 5000 on the next gate and properly get some momentum going - what is wrong with these people - if i bought the club i would just ask him to do as much or as little as he wants but christ it would be my first phone callPragueAddick said:
As a Charlton TV regular from Day 1 I think I can assert with some confidence that Curbs doesn't want it, not even remotely; at the same time he would be happy to consider a father-figure role with a younger manager. But let's also remember Fulham tried that with Curbs and it didn't work, for whatever reason.Braziliance said:
Me or Curbs, no one else up to it.Bailey said:
Name your preferred choice of Manager please Brazilance.Braziliance said:I can't believe people are even trying to justify or give reasoning to Appletons sub choices, giving him far too much credit.
Who takes off their best player who causes issues all over the pitch? Especially at 90+ mins when the game isn't out of sight. If he was doing it to protect May from being booked, then he's even dumber than I was giving him credit for.
As for all the talk of giving him a transfer window?? Do me a favour 😂
You want this bloke, who gets us playing this level of football, making these kind of subs, making these kind of excuses having a transfer window? Jesus fkn wept.
Write the season off, get a proper manager in now, build for next season with May as the main man and find the right players up to it, would be a far better solution. You give this bloke a transfer window (which is a Myth anyway btw) he will genuinely damage our club long term.
But seriously Curbs, watches the team week in week out, give him the season to sus it out and work his way back to management.
Other than that all my options are too expensive so it's about getting lucky until we crawl back into the championship.3 -
You mean the free kick outside the area … not a penChunes said:In the lead up to the penalty, is that Scott Fraser falling to the ground when he's in a position to challenge for the ball?3 -
Spot on James what lucky pen so we get one decision go our way what about the two sending offs v B Roverz and PV last man both times not sent off at that time we were 1-1 and 1-0 up changed both games , Oxford away when the bloke punched May shot and then the blatent hand ball ( Curbishley the most blatant hand ball he ever seen ) for their goal .. Stevenage away another one .. and now yesterdayJamesSeed said:
Probably, and thanks for pointing it out, but the negativity gets me down. That penalty cost us two points (whether we had a lucky penalty earlier this season or not) and messed up my mood for the rest of weekend. The second half display had me thinking our season might not be dead after all, and the mood was changing for the better, but now I’m pretty convinced that the season’s over, without even a cup competition to look forward to.Croydon said:
What a stupid post.JamesSeed said:It’s almost like some are glad we didn’t win, and are annoyed that the ref’s mistake took the gloss off surrendering a 2-0 lead. Bizarre. Points are everything right now, and the mistake cost us two. End of.2 - Sponsored links:
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He rested him not dropped trouble is Watson proving the decision a correct one because the changes he had to get back in he failed to takeDOUCHER said:
Apples dropped watson when he was playing really well to try and shoe horn fraser and mgrandles in - okay they are our players rather than loanees so try and give them some game time in the silly bollox cup whatever its called now but don't drop one of your best players in the league or fa cup - its poor management - if you are playing really well what should your reaction be when you are then dropped for 2 below par lightweights? Don't get injured, sit out the next month and the get out of there is the realistic reaction.Callumcafc said:
Because Louie Watson had his chance to claim a shirt and was shite against Gillingham and Reading.DOUCHER said:
so why drop Louis Watson who was fit, energetic, mobile, sharp etc etc and play fraser who, lets be honest has some attributes but physicality and mobility are woefully lacking - physically he is a bit he is a bit of a 'weed', as is mgrandles yet apples has dropped Louis Watson and tried to shoe horn these 2 in - bits of what he says are true but he ain't managing the situation well - far from it.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think he is spot on in his assessment in all honesty. I am glad he knows the softness in the side and hope he can address it in January. Meanwhile he has to find a way to get as many points as possible in December. It was a mistake playing Rylah and he has to start Kanu from now on. It was a mistake making the subs he did but I think there were sound reasons for it. However, the mistake was that we are not a team that can sit on anything. That would be my main criticism. If we are thinking of next Saturday, those two points dropped were more accesable to us than any at Barnsley. Not to say we can't get a point or three there but it is going to be very tough.Braziliance said:
This bloke should never have been given the job, blames everything but himself. Can't wait to see his next excuse.
It's your job to play to our strengths mate? Why take the job if you think there's this many issues.
I wonder who the next cheap option will be when Appleton inevitably gets the cut.
I think it may be linked to our soft underbelly, but our performance both attacking and defending set pieces is incredibly poor.2 -
What a bunch of ARSE 🙄🤦♂️....(not you Johnny)JohnnyH2 said:
Correcteastterrace6168 said:JohnnyH2 said:
Because May was offside but collected/touch the ball in our half. The Law was changed a few seasons agoValley Ant said:Can someone please explain why the referee allowed an offside free kick to be taken in our half of the pitch?
Great, so in theory you can be offside on the edge of your own box...🤷♂️0 -
nonsenseRonnieMoore said:
He rested him not dropped trouble is Watson proving the decision a correct one because the changes he had to get back in he failed to takeDOUCHER said:
Apples dropped watson when he was playing really well to try and shoe horn fraser and mgrandles in - okay they are our players rather than loanees so try and give them some game time in the silly bollox cup whatever its called now but don't drop one of your best players in the league or fa cup - its poor management - if you are playing really well what should your reaction be when you are then dropped for 2 below par lightweights? Don't get injured, sit out the next month and the get out of there is the realistic reaction.Callumcafc said:
Because Louie Watson had his chance to claim a shirt and was shite against Gillingham and Reading.DOUCHER said:
so why drop Louis Watson who was fit, energetic, mobile, sharp etc etc and play fraser who, lets be honest has some attributes but physicality and mobility are woefully lacking - physically he is a bit he is a bit of a 'weed', as is mgrandles yet apples has dropped Louis Watson and tried to shoe horn these 2 in - bits of what he says are true but he ain't managing the situation well - far from it.MuttleyCAFC said:
I think he is spot on in his assessment in all honesty. I am glad he knows the softness in the side and hope he can address it in January. Meanwhile he has to find a way to get as many points as possible in December. It was a mistake playing Rylah and he has to start Kanu from now on. It was a mistake making the subs he did but I think there were sound reasons for it. However, the mistake was that we are not a team that can sit on anything. That would be my main criticism. If we are thinking of next Saturday, those two points dropped were more accesable to us than any at Barnsley. Not to say we can't get a point or three there but it is going to be very tough.Braziliance said:
This bloke should never have been given the job, blames everything but himself. Can't wait to see his next excuse.
It's your job to play to our strengths mate? Why take the job if you think there's this many issues.
I wonder who the next cheap option will be when Appleton inevitably gets the cut.
I think it may be linked to our soft underbelly, but our performance both attacking and defending set pieces is incredibly poor.0 -
In which case I think my preferred choice is Pep.Braziliance said:
I know he wouldn't, that would just be my ideal pick. There's no way he wouldn't be up to it still, far too knowledgeable and has an eye for a player.PragueAddick said:
As a Charlton TV regular from Day 1 I think I can assert with some confidence that Curbs doesn't want it, not even remotely; at the same time he would be happy to consider a father-figure role with a younger manager. But let's also remember Fulham tried that with Curbs and it didn't work, for whatever reason.Braziliance said:
Me or Curbs, no one else up to it.Bailey said:
Name your preferred choice of Manager please Brazilance.Braziliance said:I can't believe people are even trying to justify or give reasoning to Appletons sub choices, giving him far too much credit.
Who takes off their best player who causes issues all over the pitch? Especially at 90+ mins when the game isn't out of sight. If he was doing it to protect May from being booked, then he's even dumber than I was giving him credit for.
As for all the talk of giving him a transfer window?? Do me a favour 😂
You want this bloke, who gets us playing this level of football, making these kind of subs, making these kind of excuses having a transfer window? Jesus fkn wept.
Write the season off, get a proper manager in now, build for next season with May as the main man and find the right players up to it, would be a far better solution. You give this bloke a transfer window (which is a Myth anyway btw) he will genuinely damage our club long term.
But seriously Curbs, watches the team week in week out, give him the season to sus it out and work his way back to management.
Other than that all my options are too expensive so it's about getting lucky until we crawl back into the championship.2 -
Pep’s never manager average journeymen, what makes you think he would this squad?Covered End said:
In which case I think my preferred choice is Pep.Braziliance said:
I know he wouldn't, that would just be my ideal pick. There's no way he wouldn't be up to it still, far too knowledgeable and has an eye for a player.PragueAddick said:
As a Charlton TV regular from Day 1 I think I can assert with some confidence that Curbs doesn't want it, not even remotely; at the same time he would be happy to consider a father-figure role with a younger manager. But let's also remember Fulham tried that with Curbs and it didn't work, for whatever reason.Braziliance said:
Me or Curbs, no one else up to it.Bailey said:
Name your preferred choice of Manager please Brazilance.Braziliance said:I can't believe people are even trying to justify or give reasoning to Appletons sub choices, giving him far too much credit.
Who takes off their best player who causes issues all over the pitch? Especially at 90+ mins when the game isn't out of sight. If he was doing it to protect May from being booked, then he's even dumber than I was giving him credit for.
As for all the talk of giving him a transfer window?? Do me a favour 😂
You want this bloke, who gets us playing this level of football, making these kind of subs, making these kind of excuses having a transfer window? Jesus fkn wept.
Write the season off, get a proper manager in now, build for next season with May as the main man and find the right players up to it, would be a far better solution. You give this bloke a transfer window (which is a Myth anyway btw) he will genuinely damage our club long term.
But seriously Curbs, watches the team week in week out, give him the season to sus it out and work his way back to management.
Other than that all my options are too expensive so it's about getting lucky until we crawl back into the championship.
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Whoosh.SamB09 said:
Pep’s never manager average journeymen, what makes you think he would this squad?Covered End said:
In which case I think my preferred choice is Pep.Braziliance said:
I know he wouldn't, that would just be my ideal pick. There's no way he wouldn't be up to it still, far too knowledgeable and has an eye for a player.PragueAddick said:
As a Charlton TV regular from Day 1 I think I can assert with some confidence that Curbs doesn't want it, not even remotely; at the same time he would be happy to consider a father-figure role with a younger manager. But let's also remember Fulham tried that with Curbs and it didn't work, for whatever reason.Braziliance said:
Me or Curbs, no one else up to it.Bailey said:
Name your preferred choice of Manager please Brazilance.Braziliance said:I can't believe people are even trying to justify or give reasoning to Appletons sub choices, giving him far too much credit.
Who takes off their best player who causes issues all over the pitch? Especially at 90+ mins when the game isn't out of sight. If he was doing it to protect May from being booked, then he's even dumber than I was giving him credit for.
As for all the talk of giving him a transfer window?? Do me a favour 😂
You want this bloke, who gets us playing this level of football, making these kind of subs, making these kind of excuses having a transfer window? Jesus fkn wept.
Write the season off, get a proper manager in now, build for next season with May as the main man and find the right players up to it, would be a far better solution. You give this bloke a transfer window (which is a Myth anyway btw) he will genuinely damage our club long term.
But seriously Curbs, watches the team week in week out, give him the season to sus it out and work his way back to management.
Other than that all my options are too expensive so it's about getting lucky until we crawl back into the championship.1 -
just listening to charlton live and apples being praised for saying alfie may not as effective playing down the middle as out wide - please tell me i'm misinterpreting this - alfie may should be playing down the middle with a physical strike partner - that is it - the fact he cannot play the lone striker role is a given, clear as day and a 2 year old would know that - when kanu came on it helped no end but please lets get this right - play 2 up top apples u chump and never ever play alfie may as a lone striker - the choice is not whether he plays up top on his own or out wide - he plays up top with a physical presence and we build the rest of the side around that - that is what needs to happen and the shole of the supporter base can see that - if cbt needs offloading to make taht happen so be it - just do it3
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I don't disagree with the opinion that he May could do well in a pair up front at all... I would've loved to have seen a May-Leaburn partnership in a 352. But at the end of the day, he's scored 19 goals and it's only December, so I'm not sure we need to be getting the pitchforks out over it...3
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Despite that we sit mid mid tableChunes said:I don't disagree with the opinion that he May could do well in a pair up front at all... I would've loved to have seen a May-Leaburn partnership in a 352. But at the end of the day, he's scored 19 goals and it's only December, so I'm not sure we need to be getting the pitchforks out over it...
Out of all the cups
I'd prefer him to have 15 goals and us be top 6....
No point scoring a ton of goals and not winning games.....
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I don't think I get your point. Are you saying that May playing in a front two would mean we were top 6?supaclive said:
Despite that we sit mid mid tableChunes said:I don't disagree with the opinion that he May could do well in a pair up front at all... I would've loved to have seen a May-Leaburn partnership in a 352. But at the end of the day, he's scored 19 goals and it's only December, so I'm not sure we need to be getting the pitchforks out over it...
Out of all the cups
I'd prefer him to have 15 goals and us be top 6....
No point scoring a ton of goals and not winning games.....
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