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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic vs Cambridge Utd: Saturday 9th December 2023 | KO 3.00PM
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Invited pressure at the end. Partly that is on player decisions, but mainly on the management decisions. No idea why senior players were subbed for academy players. Sure fire way to lose, and that is not the youngsters fault they do not have the experience at this level yet.We may have players that apparently can't defend. But it is the management team to work a system of play that allows them to see a game out. Decision to change to 5 at the back was worrying to say the least. We needed to get up the pitch. So removing a forward just invited pressure.I'm not football guru, but if you don't want to concede a goal then how about playing possession football. Make sure defence and midfield are compact when not in possession.I'm sorry as well, switched Charlton TV on and then they scored both, so I have a part to play in the result.Let's hope we pick some points up in next 2 games.9
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Down the Appleton today. We were at home 8 places or so above our opponents and it is up to us to give our oppo everything to worry about, not the other way around (re physicality etc). With the options available I would have gone 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 with Dobbo and Watson in the middle. I thought was is he doing when he brought on a defender with a few mins to go and moved to 5 at the back, which is an invitation to bring in pressure with ribbons.
Two unnecessary points dropped and no excuse for it. We now need back to back wins to make a fist of getting to the play offs and I believe this league is so tin pot this season that what feels like a distant shot remains possible.1 -
80% of comments in this thread boil down to 'don't sub on kids'.
Our oldest outfield bench player today was 229 -
Bailey said:
How does he 'work on this' ? Saving a penalty is down to guessing which way the penalty taker is going to place the penalty, some are good at saving pens, almost like a 'knack' but it can't be taught.EveshamAddick said:
He really needs to be working on this - who’s goalkeeping coach these days?Bedsaddick said:Has Maynard Brewer ever got near a penalty?Really?1 -
But it was what Methven spoke about before they took over. Use the Academy players & then sell the ones that do ok. Football on the cheap.Braziliance said:
Yep, this.Croydon said:
Madness that someone who's been on loan in non league this season walked straight into out first team squad today. Rylah, Deji, Mbick, T Campbell and Asimwe are nowhere near the level we require to get out of this league. Would probably stretch that to Kanu as well, even though he was involved in the goalWeegie Addick said:Did Elewere touch the ball? I got a sinking feeling as soon as he came on for May. Compounded once we decided to muck about with it in the corner with 5+ minutes to go. Agree it wasn’t a penalty but we don’t half love self-destructing. To make matters worse pics all over Twitter of SCP celebrating SW win. What a time to be an Addick.
We must be the only league 1 side that have so many youth players in our squad, it's not an achievement if they're bang average! They're only there to save the club money.
I bet they wouldn't even start for other sides in this league below us, they can't even get loans at League 2 sides.0 -
And you believe Rodwell?Addictedoldgit said:We need physically stronger, more experienced players.
But Apples knows this.
Last night Jim Rodwell said cash could be spent if required - I 🤔.0 -
Beige.lolwray said:The manager was an awful appointment ..he epitomises mediocrity .0 -
It seems it was taken in the right place. However he was in their half when the ball was kicked & off side, so why not take it from there?SporadicAddick said:
As explained on the match thread the free kick for offside was taken from the correct position.Todds_right_hook said:
Shocking. This is where managers shouldn't be fined and banned for speaking out. We pay to watch football and refs give decisions like that in the 95th minute. Where was the pussy linesman! Why didn't he say it was outside the box. How can two officials get it so wrongSDAddick said:
from the moment the ref allowed an offside to be taken in out half, I thought he would give a dodgy penalty3 -
Win the game
Get the 3 points
Other sides don't sub their best players when 2-1 with 5 mins to go
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3 major issues with Appleton today.He bemoans the lack of physicality in the team, but starts May up top on his own, and leaves Kanu on the bench. Kanu is still learning but is a round peg in a round hole. He comes on and instantly starts troubling the opposition centre backs.Starting Rylah was a massively unnecessary gamble. Not his fault as he’s obviously a decent prospect, and put him on the bench by all means. Should have started TC, L Watson or Kanu (moving May or Chem wide)Bringing on Mbick, a 17 year old striker for a midfielder (C Campbell) when the opposition have just made it 2-1 is scandalous. It should have been Louie Watson or one of the young defenders. May’s worked his nuts off for 90 minutes and doesn’t need to be thrown into a midfield three. We needed fresh legs in there.
A couple of positives. Thought Hector was excellent today, Thomas very good too.15 -
Well, Appleton. The kids are fucking shit, worked that out yet. If not just fuck off, fuck off an fuck off.
Your playing your part in destroying this club…..
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Why go on about it (not aimed at the poster btw) these things happen. Dangle a leg like that on the edge of the box and sometimes these things go against you, sometimes they go for you. Are we blaming the ref for their first goal too?Callumcafc said:4 -
Has Neil Harris never managed a game of football before then?RonnieMoore said:
How was he negative .. he said they could not plan because they know how Harris is going to set up in Thursday and we will find out at 3 pm spot on then he changed the system at half time spot on got it right … he got to work with kids because of horrendous injury list ..ValleyBen said:100% Appleton to blame for that, too negative too early and we don't have the players to game it out.0 -
The penalty decision was poor, but as has been said why give the ref that chance to make a mistake?We should be able to play around Cambridge, keep the ball and stop them thumping it forward and pressing for the goal. Need to lose the soft underbelly and quickly. Can't keep needed 3 Goals to win3
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Don't believe anyone has commented on Dobbo's demeanour at the final whistle today. Several on here saying this was probably his worst game in the red shirt but no-one should complain about his continuous 100% effort for his team & as such, I don't believe any of the booing was aimed at him. But he looked totally pi**ed off, which is understandable.
He made no attempt to acknowledge the home fans in the Curbs' Stand as usual, but walked straight across to the tunnel, briefly clapping the Covered Enders as he did so. His body language said it all, and not for the first time this season.
It saddens me to admit it, but I'm seriously concerned at this moment in time that he may well accept an offer and depart in the January window....a loss for which I can't believe we'll go close to finding the kind of replacement we'd badly need. This will be a huge blow to the cohesion this ever present, hardest of hard workers gives the team.
I understand that Bromley's 2 guests on Thursday evening were asked about our captain's & CBT's contracts and that the response was basically, if players won't sign what's on the table, we can't stop them from moving on & that monies received in said moves will be used to bring in replacements. I may have misunderstood what was stated but filling Dobbo's boots in a window that historically doesn't offer a glut of players, could prove a costly & difficult exercise for the new regime....
And, although we tend to agree that he blows hot & cold, to lose CBT as well would be "careless" to say the least & IMO, impact significantly on our aim to climb the league.
For one, I'm less than confident that this will end well.
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It’s almost like some are glad we didn’t win, and are annoyed that the ref’s mistake took the gloss off surrendering a 2-0 lead. Bizarre. Points are everything right now, and the mistake cost us two. End of.5
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2 points shamefully tossed away by the inexcusable lack of desire
AMB did nothing wrong
May was good
Dobson was tireless but overrun
One or two kids’ inexperience were savagely exposed
Nobody else managed a net positive contribution
Far too many including Apples are lucky even to be sloshing about in the gutter with the dregs of the 3rd division
We faithful are being mugged off by pisstakers lightweights and cloggers
The reserve of good will is spent
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This.Chunes said:I don't think we were robbed by the ref. We had 90 minutes to win that game, and we showed up for 30 of it.
2-0 with 10 mins (plus injury time) to go a decent team would see it out. Even add a 3rd maybe.
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Beat Cheltenham with a moody penalty and not playing great all about the result
draw against one half of the boat race with a moody penalty against and not playing great , oh it’s the refs fault
swings and roundabouts
but the general drop in form of the last few weeks , has seen the results against these shit sides appear .
an injury ravaged squad hasn’t helped but a lot of shit in the squad ends up with shit results .
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PragueAddick said:
Of course injuries are part of football. But do you know how many player-injury -days other clubs at our level suffer, with that figure adjusted for the experience and assumed value of the players concerned? I certainly don’t but I would bet (and I’m not a gambling type) that our figure is higher than the average, and have read that Ipswich made sure they were lower than average as part of their investment plan to get out of this division. It’s no good brushing it off, mate. Appleton didn’t make good choices today, but other than making a better job of managing Louie Watson, I don’t know how much more any manager at this level could do if he inherited this pile,of mediocrity.Braziliance said:
It is a good point about the recall option but my point still stands, I bet those clubs below us in the league and even in the league below (the decent sides) would have no interest in taking our players on loan.Callumcafc said:Braziliance said:
Yep, this.Croydon said:
Madness that someone who's been on loan in non league this season walked straight into out first team squad today. Rylah, Deji, Mbick, T Campbell and Asimwe are nowhere near the level we require to get out of this league. Would probably stretch that to Kanu as well, even though he was involved in the goalWeegie Addick said:Did Elewere touch the ball? I got a sinking feeling as soon as he came on for May. Compounded once we decided to muck about with it in the corner with 5+ minutes to go. Agree it wasn’t a penalty but we don’t half love self-destructing. To make matters worse pics all over Twitter of SCP celebrating SW win. What a time to be an Addick.
We must be the only league 1 side that have so many youth players in our squad, it's not an achievement if they're bang average! They're only there to save the club money.
I bet they wouldn't even start for other sides in this league below us, they can't even get loans at League 2 sides.
I think the National League loans are more about having the option to recall them outside of a transfer window more than anything else...We wouldn't be in this position with having to use as many young players if we weren't dealing with injuries to Isted, Jones, McGrandles, Taylor, Camara, Leaburn, Aneke.Unfortunately that's the way it goes when you sign players who weren't able to get a proper pre season and/or have a history of being injured.
Wouldn't we? We have had a fair few of those players avaliable for games and still not looked much better. I still think we would be in this position with all those players avaliable or a bit better off slightly.
Every club deals with injuries and has to deal with players being out. That's the nature of football, we still have two of the best players in the league and are mid-table.
In regards to dealing with what we get, it's no coincidence that every season we sign players returning from injury, still injured or unfit and it's because it's the cheap option most of the time. We do it to ourselves every season, we get it wrong a lot more often than we get it right.
I have some sympathy for Appleton and don't wish him gone, we have changed so many managers and gone nowhere.
But his treatment of Louie Watson isn't isolated.
I do think his treatment of Chem Campbell is utterly bizarre too, dropped from all squads recently; if he was remotely in MA plans why not give him some fitness/sharpness minutes in the 2 recent cup games. But nothing... Then he starts. Weird management the likes of which I have not seen before.
Abankwah never even given a chance in his favoured CB position - again, the tin pot cup on Weds would have allowed us to look at him but instead we started Jones.. now out 3 weeks at a time we can't afford that.
We also started Hector, Dobson and May in the most tin pot of tin pot cups on Wednesday then today May has to come off to protect him from injury... And we let in a goal.
No manager has taken that cup seriously before, it is not worth taking that cup seriously if we had 22 fit superstars we didn't.
It's piss poor management and Appleton needs to take a deep look at his performance in the last few weeks and learn swiftly.
He was a bargain bucket manager imo and that is the weirdest thing. We are building really decent sounding staff off the pitch but spending peanuts where it really matters.
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If we lost both CBT & Dobbo on January then you can kiss any hope of the play offs goodbye. You can also start looking over your shoulder at the teams below us. I dont think we'd get relegated but it could be a couple of scary months where we flirt with the bottom 4.Fanny Fanackapan said:Don't believe anyone has commented on Dobbo's demeanour at the final whistle today. Several on here saying this was probably his worst game in the red shirt but no-one should complain about his continuous 100% effort for his team & as such, I don't believe any of the booing was aimed at him. But he looked totally pi**ed off, which is understandable.
He made no attempt to acknowledge the home fans in the Curbs' Stand as usual, but walked straight across to the tunnel, briefly clapping the Covered Enders as he did so. His body language said it all, and not for the first time this season.
It saddens me to admit it, but I'm seriously concerned at this moment in time that he may well accept an offer and depart in the January window....a loss for which I can't believe we'll go close to finding the kind of replacement we'd badly need. This will be a huge blow to the cohesion this ever present, hardest of hard workers gives the team.
I understand that Bromley's 2 guests on Thursday evening were asked about our captain's & CBT's contracts and that the response was basically, if players won't sign what's on the table, we can't stop them from moving on & that monies received in said moves will be used to bring in replacements. I may have misunderstood what was stated but filling Dobbo's boots in a window that historically doesn't offer a glut of players, could prove a costly & difficult exercise for the new regime....
And, although we tend to agree that he blows hot & cold, to lose CBT as well would be "careless" to say the least & IMO, impact significantly on our aim to climb the league.
For one, I'm less than confident that this will end well.
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Without Dobbo, CBT and May we'd be relegsted so letting 2 of them leave is poor planning, poor management and a belief you can do better......
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We still haven’t managed to sign a left back better than Ben Purrington, FFS. The idea we could let Dobson and CBT leave and easily sign good replacements for less money than we sell them for seems, frankly, fanciful in the context of our generally awful recruitment in recent seasons.Remember, it can nearly always get worse.7
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I assume there there must be significant discord behind the scenes to warrant that selection and performance.
As many others have already said, that was not due to a lack of fitness, quality nor skill- it was down to lack of physical strength, character and desire. Pity we couldn't bring on Innis and Pratley when we were two up.
My guess is Appleton has been told there is nothing happening in January (apart from the departure of CBT and possibly Dobbo) and that he must find his solutions from the existing squad plus the academy. That was his response.
I don't particularly blame Appleton. And he certainly isn't the key problem any more than Adkins, Jackson, Garner and Holden were the key problem but the symptoms are exactly the same. Disjointed 30 minute performances, lack of desire and lack of team spirit etc etc. He too will be gone before the end of the season and join the ever lengthening list of Charlton managerial has-beens.
We still have ownership interference, meddling and public profile/interviews/ego trips from the senior management team when it should all be about recruiting the right manager/head coach and then everyone at the club supporting him/her to the hilt from behind the scenes.
Evidence proves this set up will never be successful.8 -
Passing the buck seems endemic within the club.
We already have Scott, the manager, the players, the ref and the crowd taking chunks out of each other and now with Thames Water doing their worst outside the ground, we have the club announcer - inside the ground - advising that stewards need to be approached ... presumably for advice on using the toilet. FFS!0 -
Because he's been told if he breaks his nose again it'll be a permanent issue for him.Lincsaddick said:2 good goals squandered .. it was not a penalty .. and apropos of nothing, why is Maynard Brewer still disguised as Zorro? .. his nose was injured almost a year ago4 -
Not better, cheaper.supaclive said:Without Dobbo, CBT and May we'd be relegsted so letting 2 of them leave is poor planning, poor management and a belief you can do BETTER.....
Risky gamble
These people running the club are as bad as Appleton. If they think we don’t need more and better players we will go down if not this season then next.
Say all they like on a Thursday night in Bromley but unless someone puts their hand in their pocket we are fucked.
Personally don’t believe a word they say, but I guess time will tell, we will know by February.1 -
I think he is spot on in his assessment in all honesty. I am glad he knows the softness in the side and hope he can address it in January. Meanwhile he has to find a way to get as many points as possible in December. It was a mistake playing Rylah and he has to start Kanu from now on. It was a mistake making the subs he did but I think there were sound reasons for it. However, the mistake was that we are not a team that can sit on anything. That would be my main criticism. If we are thinking of next Saturday, those two points dropped were more accesable to us than any at Barnsley. Not to say we can't get a point or three there but it is going to be very tough.Braziliance said:
This bloke should never have been given the job, blames everything but himself. Can't wait to see his next excuse.
It's your job to play to our strengths mate? Why take the job if you think there's this many issues.
I wonder who the next cheap option will be when Appleton inevitably gets the cut.
I think it may be linked to our soft underbelly, but our performance both attacking and defending set pieces is incredibly poor.8
