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I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!0 -
The Heathrow Excess is a premium product with a premium price.PragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
Once it rises to the surface past Paddington, Crossrail takes the same route to Heathrow, but stops a few times0 -
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!2 -
Also, with a train every 5 mins, you just have to get off at a station, do what you have to do, and get on the next train.Big_Bad_World said:
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!
Although it might take more than 5 mins to find a toilet at the station.1 -
A bit off track but here’s the Jubilee line extension tunnel boring machine in many parts in a warehouse we are about to demolishJints said:
Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/2 -
There didn't appear to be an abundance of toilets at the stations I visited (if any).Red_in_SE8 said:
Also, with a train every 5 mins, you just have to get off at a station, do what you have to do, and get on the next train.Big_Bad_World said:
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!
Although it might take more than 5 mins to find a toilet at the station.0 -
I believe they are all at concourse/ticket hall level if they exist (the ones in Canary Wharf are at the very least)thetomahawkkid said:
There didn't appear to be an abundance of toilets at the stations I visited (if any).Red_in_SE8 said:
Also, with a train every 5 mins, you just have to get off at a station, do what you have to do, and get on the next train.Big_Bad_World said:
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!
Although it might take more than 5 mins to find a toilet at the station.0 -
Just used it from Abbey Wood to Paddington and it’s great. Just under 30 minutes for a 3.10 fare is excellent0
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Jints said:Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/
Canaryloo line!Jints said:Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/0 -
Thats what I tell the ladies.Friend Or Defoe said:Apparently the tunnels were so long they had to factor in the curvature of the planet?0 -
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Come on BBW. Admit it, it's not really Pompey you're waiting for at London Bridge is it.Big_Bad_World said:
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!
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Heathrow used to be the Piccadilly line before all this new fangled Elizabeth stuff.
Or district line, cross the platform at Baron’s Court and you’re on your way.
Never understood the need for the Heathrow Express from Paddington.1 -
Heathrow still is on the Piccadilly Line.seth plum said:Heathrow used to be the Piccadilly line before all this new fangled Elizabeth stuff.
Or district line, cross the platform at Baron’s Court and you’re on your way.
Never understood the need for the Heathrow Express from Paddington.1 -
It's a lot quicker and they can get (mainly tourists) to pay a load of money to use it. Crossrail will probably kill it off but at the moment of you book over 3 months in advance you can get an open return for about a tenner.seth plum said:Heathrow used to be the Piccadilly line before all this new fangled Elizabeth stuff.
Or district line, cross the platform at Baron’s Court and you’re on your way.
Never understood the need for the Heathrow Express from Paddington.0 -
have you ever used either? I have, i was terrified i'd die of old age before i got to my 8 hour flight.seth plum said:Heathrow used to be the Piccadilly line before all this new fangled Elizabeth stuff.
Or district line, cross the platform at Baron’s Court and you’re on your way.
Never understood the need for the Heathrow Express from Paddington.2 -
I have gone to Heathrow and back a lot on the underground.
No way is it worth it for me to use the Heathrow Express from Paddington.
Maybe it is because I am in South East London and it feels like going half way to Scotland to schlepp to Paddington, driving to and from Heathrow is also a drag.
Best is a lift or the 108 through the Blackwall, get dropped off at Bow Road, District Line, then a very easy platform change at Barons Court, Piccadilly line to Heathrow.
Whenever possible it would be Gatwick anyway using the train from London Bridge.
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Big_Bad_World said:PragueAddick said:
I do jest, and enjoyed reading your insider posts.Big_Bad_World said:
You jest but I could bore you to tears with pictures of the construction at various points during the project lifecycle.PragueAddick said:
Lads, lads. This is all very funny but you are ignoring the elephant in the room. Or rather the Spanner on the Thread😉Charlton_Stu said:
Have lived and breathed this horror story for far too long, with Bond Street proving to be one of the biggest thorns in my arse for many a year.But I did also enjoy your rather too insistent protestations that you are only interested in the infrastructure, or was it the architecture, but not the trains, oh no, not the trains.😉
'Tis true, though.
The station infrastructure and integrated systems are my domain. Fleet/Rolling Stock isn't my bag. 1 -
If you book in advance and use a senior railcard you get buy a ticket on the Heathrow Express for £3.65.
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The Freedom Pass is already valid to Reading on Elizabeth line trains but it requires you to show the card to gate line staff there. It is not valid on the fast GWR trains from Paddington so you would have to change trains at Reading both ways.seth plum said:'West Country' away games next season will be in Plymouth, Exeter, Bristol, Cheltenham, Nailsworth and maybe a touch of Oxford, Wycombe....and does Shrewsbury count?
Anyway, if you have the London Freedom Pass when the line is fully up and running you can get a ticket from Reading on to the west rather than Paddington.
Reading to Plymouth starts at around £30, but Paddington to Plymouth starts at around £36. A faster Journey without the Paddington faff at a cheaper price.0 -
There are new toilets on the northbound Thameslink platform at Farringdon. Outside the central core most stations have toilets.thetomahawkkid said:
There didn't appear to be an abundance of toilets at the stations I visited (if any).Red_in_SE8 said:
Also, with a train every 5 mins, you just have to get off at a station, do what you have to do, and get on the next train.Big_Bad_World said:
The rationale behind not putting toilets on the service is due to approximately 600 passengers an hour being displaced.Friend Or Defoe said:
I think that's right.kentaddick said:
doesn't the heathrow express use the same line as crossrail? Or did i make that upPragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
No bogs on Crossrail doesn't sound good!
Although it might take more than 5 mins to find a toilet at the station.0 -
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That’s an extraordinary find, where have they left it for the past 25 years?smiffyboy said:
A bit off track but here’s the Jubilee line extension tunnel boring machine in many parts in a warehouse we are about to demolishJints said:Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/0 -
This is the content I come on CL for.Crusty54 said:
The Freedom Pass is already valid to Reading on Elizabeth line trains but it requires you to show the card to gate line staff there. It is not valid on the fast GWR trains from Paddington so you would have to change trains at Reading both ways.seth plum said:'West Country' away games next season will be in Plymouth, Exeter, Bristol, Cheltenham, Nailsworth and maybe a touch of Oxford, Wycombe....and does Shrewsbury count?
Anyway, if you have the London Freedom Pass when the line is fully up and running you can get a ticket from Reading on to the west rather than Paddington.
Reading to Plymouth starts at around £30, but Paddington to Plymouth starts at around £36. A faster Journey without the Paddington faff at a cheaper price.4 -
The original Jubilee Line extension was supposed to go through Charing Cross and extend through to Aldwych (both closed stations), then onto Fenchurch Street and Surrey Quays.Jints said:Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/
Obviously the development at Canary Wharf ruined that. The tunnels continue from the Charing Cross Jubilee Line station right up to Aldwych. I know there was some chat in the early naughties about extending the DLR through to the abandoned Charing Cross station.0 -
A lot -but not all - of the trains on the Bexleyheath line have bogs. Some of them are even in service. Too bad you never know in advance, as I found out in March coming back later in the evening. Of course the bogs in Eltham station were locked for the night. I had a piss in the car park.killerandflash said:
The Heathrow Excess is a premium product with a premium price.PragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
Once it rises to the surface past Paddington, Crossrail takes the same route to Heathrow, but stops a few times@Big_Bad_World what do you mean by the “displaced” argument? Not a pop, I am just not sure what you mean there.0 -
Where’s that? Bollo Lane?smiffyboy said:
A bit off track but here’s the Jubilee line extension tunnel boring machine in many parts in a warehouse we are about to demolishJints said:Interesting article on why the Jubilee Line Extension came forward in the 1990s and Crossrail didn't.
https://www.onlondon.co.uk/richard-brown-tube-wars-of-20th-century-how-the-liz-line-fought-the-jubilee/0 -
It was the word used at the time but agree it's a bit of a weird one. Basically, it was calculated that the space taken up by having toilets on the trains would equate to approximately 600 passengers not being able to be accomodated per hour of travelPragueAddick said:
A lot -but not all - of the trains on the Bexleyheath line have bogs. Some of them are even in service. Too bad you never know in advance, as I found out in March coming back later in the evening. Of course the bogs in Eltham station were locked for the night. I had a piss in the car park.killerandflash said:
The Heathrow Excess is a premium product with a premium price.PragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
Once it rises to the surface past Paddington, Crossrail takes the same route to Heathrow, but stops a few times@Big_Bad_World what do you mean by the “displaced” argument? Not a pop, I am just not sure what you mean there. 2 -
This is the list of stations with toilets
https://mylondon.trem.media/news/zone-1-news/crossrail-elizabeth-line-stations-toilets-24043579
https://www.london.gov.uk/questions/2020/0957
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Friend Or Defoe said:
What?man_at_milletts said:PragueAddick said:
I'd be OK with that if it's not a time-critical journey, but generally for me it's about getting to/from Heathrow. It's about 10 mins walk from my sister's gaff to that stop, btw. If they were to start regular running of trains which "loop" Bexleyheath and North Kent lines via Slade Green (I've noticed the occasional one recently), I'd trust that to get me to Abbey Wood I think. I guess Eltham to Abbey Wood would also be around 15 mins.Big_Bad_World said:
161 bus from Woolwich will take you to the junction of Westmount Road and Well Hall Road, or further down to Well Hall roundabout.PragueAddick said:
Does fuck all for the Bexleyheath line though. Half hourly service to places that have no Tube, in the year 2022? To get to Eltham from Crossrail I'll still be relying on a lift from my sister. Another 2 car journeys.Cardinal Sin said:The best thing about the Elizabeth line from Woolwich is that it should make more space on the North Kent line for those of us who suffer congestion getting on at Charlton, Westcombe Park, Maze Hill and Greenwich.
Fully appreciate that this is also a pain in the arse but, if timed correctly, should only take about 15 minutes.
@Dansk_Red I'd forgotten about those Victoria trains, tis true, but that's because I never use them. I wonder how many BH line travellers do, off-peak. When I arrive at Charing Cross, knackered after hauling myself from Heathrow with luggage on a hot summer day, only to find that I just missed the BH line train, it isn't easy to quickly check if I can gain anything by picking up a Victoria line train at Lewisham. Usually when I managed it, I saved about 4 minutes.
But hopefully with Crossrail, I won't be going that way from LHR any more.
If I'm correct, I read in one of the Railway Mags that that's one of the drawbacks of opening this new line. I used to use New Eltham to Charlton regularly when I lived in London but the service was depleted and I believe will be non-existent once the Elizabeth Line is fully open.
It was at a friend's house. ;-)
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It is a fantastic service. So fast to Liverpool st. Just wished my office was slightly nearer to Liv street.Made my first mistake tonight. I had headphones in Not concentrating so I ended up in Abbey wood when I was supposed to get off at Woolwich. So quick, didn’t realise.6
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Yes, after I posted I googled and got a TfL spokesman using the exact phrase. Railway people have their own language.Big_Bad_World said:
It was the word used at the time but agree it's a bit of a weird one. Basically, it was calculated that the space taken up by having toilets on the trains would equate to approximately 600 passengers not being able to be accomodated per hour of travelPragueAddick said:
A lot -but not all - of the trains on the Bexleyheath line have bogs. Some of them are even in service. Too bad you never know in advance, as I found out in March coming back later in the evening. Of course the bogs in Eltham station were locked for the night. I had a piss in the car park.killerandflash said:
The Heathrow Excess is a premium product with a premium price.PragueAddick said:
No bogs????? FFS. Heathrow Express has bogs and the journey time is 15 mins.killerandflash said:
No bogs on the trains, so you'll be dying for a piss by the time you get to Readingseth plum said:Maybe, but if you start at Woolwich and don't have to faff about at mainline Paddington the time differences may be marginal.
Either way it will be cheaper.
Once it rises to the surface past Paddington, Crossrail takes the same route to Heathrow, but stops a few times@Big_Bad_World what do you mean by the “displaced” argument? Not a pop, I am just not sure what you mean there.
I checked the situation on the Paris RERs and they had bogs but have been withdrawing them. But they blame "health and security" issues. Apparently they were extensively occupied by homeless types. But then again, we Brits aren't supposed to consider France any kind of benchmark when it comes to bogs, right?
I'll predict how this will end up. I'll give it 2 years. As people start using it, especially to/from LHR, the complaints will start to gather heat (It was described as "the most controversial element" in the article I read) but TfL will resist until some entitled female Tory SPAD leaves yet another Bojo thrash lateish and decides to give Crossrail a try. She gets badly caught short and next day makes a big thing about it. Bojo briefs the Mail, which starts a Campaign, claiming that the decision not to have bogs was -somehow- Sadiq Khan's fault. TfL buckle and bogs are retrofitted at huge extra cost.
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