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Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
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Before we signed him games 7 goals 1 1 in 7. Totally underwhelmedAddickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
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So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the infoCafc43v3r said:
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed himCafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96. 0 -
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
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Exactly, and nothing suggests that these two can't be as good as the good ones, or as bad as Ajose. Probably the truth is they will be somewhere inbetween.Dazzler21 said:
So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the infoCafc43v3r said:
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed himCafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.1 -
For Charltongolfaddick said:
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Mendonca 45 in 96 2.13
Hunt 35 in 86 2.45
Bent 31 in 68 2.19
I am here all day4 -
The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Bogle for example has scored
8 goals in the Championship
5 in L1
19 in L2
78 in National/National North
Washington's record is
13 in the Championship
3 in the Scottish Premiership
27 in L1
4 in L2
1 in National
54 in a very low league (level 9)
For BWP
2 in Premier League
26 in Championship
13 in L1 (in 17 games)
i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker
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Bogle.
He is going to score a sh*t load this season. Mark my words!2 -
Ajose is a mystery, as it seems he's had one decent season in his whole career!Cafc43v3r said:
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed himCafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.1 -
That, for me, is the biggest challenge this season.killerandflash said:
If you look at 2017/18Callumcafc said:Posted this in the transfer rumours thread after everyone was kicking up a stink about not getting a 20 goal striker...
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4075624/#Comment_4075624
Promoted teams top scorers:
19/20:
Coventry - Matt Godden (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season)
Rotherham - Freddie Ladapo (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season)
Wycombe - Adebayo Akinfenwa (10 - 13 or 14 in a full season)
18/19:
Luton - James Collins (25)
Barnsley - Kieffer Moore (17)
Charlton - Lyle Taylor (21)
17/18:
Wigan - Will Grigg (19)
Blackburn - Bradley Dack (18)
Rotherham - Kieffer Moore (13)
Only two of the last nine clubs promoted from this division have had a 20+ goal man in their squad.
Wigan's top scorers were Grigg 19, Powell 15, Jacobs 11
Blackburn - Dack 18, Graham 17, Mulgrew 14, Armstrong 9
Rotherham - Moore 13 in half a season (he surely would have got 20 in a full season), then a number of forwards in single figures
So while nobody got 20, it was pretty close. Do we, like Wigan and Blackburn, have 2 strikers who can get over 15 each?0 - Sponsored links:
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And Lyle Taylor hadn't scored 50 league (lots of his were in the isthmian league) goals, at 28, when we signed him. His history showed no indication that he was going to be a top championship striker in 18 months time, which he was.killerandflash said:
The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Bogle for example has scored
8 goals in the Championship
5 in L1
19 in L2
78 in National/National North
Washington's record is
13 in the Championship
3 in the Scottish Premiership
27 in L1
4 in L2
1 in National
54 in a very low league (level 9)
For BWP
2 in Premier League
26 in Championship
13 in L1 (in 17 games)
i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker
The point I am trying to make, obviously badly, is that thier numbers suggest they are as equally likely to be as successful as Mendonca, Taylor, BWP or equally as unsuccessful as Ajose. And a lot of people are saying they won't score the goals we need. The reason they haven't scored league 1 level goals recently is the same as BWPs.
The reason people were excited by signing Taylor, Mendonca and BWP was they had recently seen them play against us and they stood out. I don't ever remember us playing against Bogle or Washington even if we have.
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Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total0 -
A Charlton win and under 2.5 is about 6/1 that would be a good bet every week.Addick Addict said:Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total0 -
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.golfaddick said:
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
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I think potentially, he looked in his 20 mins or whatever the other day like he is going to frustrate or be confident enough to score for funcarly burn said:Bogle.
He is going to score a sh*t load this season. Mark my words!0 -
That's right. He had the likes of Peacock, Powell, Flanagan, Tydeman, Hunt, Bowman, Horsfield, Robinson etc etc all looking to get him on the end of a cross or a one on one with a centre back who he would, if he didn't beat them for pace, he'd bully them into submission.Redrobo said:
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.golfaddick said:
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
I think we paid £4k for Killer from Luton. Probably the best value transfer we've ever made.
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from our newly assembled 'strike force' with help from midfield and 2 brick outhouse central defenders, not forgetting 2 attacking full backs1
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I don't think we can honestly expect another Hales or Mendonca without a big fee but it would be good to get another Garry Nelson or a Paul Williams. We might need to throw everything at it in January.0
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Unless you are Liverpool. Brought in Keegan then Dalglish then Rush & then Aldridge. Then from their youth team happened to stumble upon Fowler & then Owen. From the 70's to the 2000's they weren't without a top goal scorer & (without looking at records) probably didn't pay much for Keegan, Rush or Aldridge. Some teams seem to be able to unearth strikers. We don't.Redrobo said:
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.golfaddick said:
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
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except for D Bent, Mendonca, Hales, Firmani .. to guess just severalgolfaddick said:
Unless you are Liverpool. Brought in Keegan then Dalglish then Rush & then Aldridge. Then from their youth team happened to stumble upon Fowler & then Owen. From the 70's to the 2000's they weren't without a top goal scorer & (without looking at records) probably didn't pay much for Keegan, Rush or Aldridge. Some teams seem to be able to unearth strikers. We don't.Redrobo said:
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.golfaddick said:
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.Addickted said:
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16Cafc43v3r said:I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02
BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26
Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69
Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39
Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
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It's like printing money predicting an LB win ;-)Addick Addict said:Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total0 -
Only 18 more to go for Big Chuks
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Interesting that in the interview he only mentions Chuks, Bogle and Washington, and not Smyth
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Smyth should have opened his account today. Very poor failing to beat the keeper from five yards when in the clear. Bogle on the other hand, didn't fashion a chance. He did hold off a defender to give Pratley the chance to score but he was actually just trying to get on the ball himself.0
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To answer the question........
Not from the strikers it seems.1 -
golfaddick said:To answer the question........
EVERYWHERE!!3 -
I don't think we have the strikers to get 15 between themkillerandflash said:
If you look at 2017/18Callumcafc said:Posted this in the transfer rumours thread after everyone was kicking up a stink about not getting a 20 goal striker...
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/4075624/#Comment_4075624
Promoted teams top scorers:
19/20:
Coventry - Matt Godden (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season)
Rotherham - Freddie Ladapo (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season)
Wycombe - Adebayo Akinfenwa (10 - 13 or 14 in a full season)
18/19:
Luton - James Collins (25)
Barnsley - Kieffer Moore (17)
Charlton - Lyle Taylor (21)
17/18:
Wigan - Will Grigg (19)
Blackburn - Bradley Dack (18)
Rotherham - Kieffer Moore (13)
Only two of the last nine clubs promoted from this division have had a 20+ goal man in their squad.
Wigan's top scorers were Grigg 19, Powell 15, Jacobs 11
Blackburn - Dack 18, Graham 17, Mulgrew 14, Armstrong 9
Rotherham - Moore 13 in half a season (he surely would have got 20 in a full season), then a number of forwards in single figures
So while nobody got 20, it was pretty close. Do we, like Wigan and Blackburn, have 2 strikers who can get over 15 each?1 -
The most unlikely of places0
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OG took his chance well today..........4
