I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
Before we signed him games 7 goals 1 1 in 7. Totally underwhelmed
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.
So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the info
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.
So they could go on to be shit hot or absolutely not. Cheers for the info
Exactly, and nothing suggests that these two can't be as good as the good ones, or as bad as Ajose. Probably the truth is they will be somewhere inbetween.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
For Charlton
Mendonca 45 in 96 2.13 Hunt 35 in 86 2.45 Bent 31 in 68 2.19
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1
Bogle for example has scored 8 goals in the Championship 5 in L1 19 in L2 78 in National/National North
Washington's record is 13 in the Championship 3 in the Scottish Premiership 27 in L1 4 in L2 1 in National 54 in a very low league (level 9)
For BWP 2 in Premier League 26 in Championship 13 in L1 (in 17 games) i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
As another comparison, this is Nicky Ajose before we signed him
193 games 65 goals 1 in 2.96.
Ajose is a mystery, as it seems he's had one decent season in his whole career!
19/20: Coventry - Matt Godden (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season) Rotherham - Freddie Ladapo (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season) Wycombe - Adebayo Akinfenwa (10 - 13 or 14 in a full season)
18/19: Luton - James Collins (25) Barnsley - Kieffer Moore (17) Charlton - Lyle Taylor (21)
17/18: Wigan - Will Grigg (19) Blackburn - Bradley Dack (18) Rotherham - Kieffer Moore (13)
Only two of the last nine clubs promoted from this division have had a 20+ goal man in their squad.
If you look at 2017/18
Wigan's top scorers were Grigg 19, Powell 15, Jacobs 11 Blackburn - Dack 18, Graham 17, Mulgrew 14, Armstrong 9 Rotherham - Moore 13 in half a season (he surely would have got 20 in a full season), then a number of forwards in single figures
So while nobody got 20, it was pretty close. Do we, like Wigan and Blackburn, have 2 strikers who can get over 15 each?
That, for me, is the biggest challenge this season.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
The problem with history is that you have to consider what leagues they scored in. A prolific scorer in L2 or the NL may not be able to make the step up, a striker who struggled in the Championship may be prolific in L1
Bogle for example has scored 8 goals in the Championship 5 in L1 19 in L2 78 in National/National North
Washington's record is 13 in the Championship 3 in the Scottish Premiership 27 in L1 4 in L2 1 in National 54 in a very low league (level 9)
For BWP 2 in Premier League 26 in Championship 13 in L1 (in 17 games) i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker
And Lyle Taylor hadn't scored 50 league (lots of his were in the isthmian league) goals, at 28, when we signed him. His history showed no indication that he was going to be a top championship striker in 18 months time, which he was.
The point I am trying to make, obviously badly, is that thier numbers suggest they are as equally likely to be as successful as Mendonca, Taylor, BWP or equally as unsuccessful as Ajose. And a lot of people are saying they won't score the goals we need. The reason they haven't scored league 1 level goals recently is the same as BWPs.
The reason people were excited by signing Taylor, Mendonca and BWP was they had recently seen them play against us and they stood out. I don't ever remember us playing against Bogle or Washington even if we have.
Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total
Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total
A Charlton win and under 2.5 is about 6/1 that would be a good bet every week.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.
That's right. He had the likes of Peacock, Powell, Flanagan, Tydeman, Hunt, Bowman, Horsfield, Robinson etc etc all looking to get him on the end of a cross or a one on one with a centre back who he would, if he didn't beat them for pace, he'd bully them into submission.
I think we paid £4k for Killer from Luton. Probably the best value transfer we've ever made.
I don't think we can honestly expect another Hales or Mendonca without a big fee but it would be good to get another Garry Nelson or a Paul Williams. We might need to throw everything at it in January.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.
Unless you are Liverpool. Brought in Keegan then Dalglish then Rush & then Aldridge. Then from their youth team happened to stumble upon Fowler & then Owen. From the 70's to the 2000's they weren't without a top goal scorer & (without looking at records) probably didn't pay much for Keegan, Rush or Aldridge. Some teams seem to be able to unearth strikers. We don't.
I have done a bit of fag packed maths. We all know what impact Mendonca, BWP and Taylor had in their first (full in BWPs case) season. These are thier records, along with Bogle and Washington's before they signed for us.
Mendonca 263 games 87 goals 1 in 3.02 BWP 175 games 41 goals 1 in 4.26 Taylor 334 games 124 goals 1 in 2.69 Bogle 263 games 110 goals 1 in 2.39 Washington 323 goals 102 goals 1 in 3.17
Intresting.
Hales: 320 League games 148 goals 1 in 2.16
I think my problem is that I grew up watching Killer & expect all strikers to be as clinical. In the past 40 years only Mendonca has got close to him. Bent & Hunt not far behind.......but majority of the rest can't be talked about in the same breath.
Nelson set up the whole team to deliver to his strengths in the knowledge that he would finish. That opportunity does not come along too often.
Unless you are Liverpool. Brought in Keegan then Dalglish then Rush & then Aldridge. Then from their youth team happened to stumble upon Fowler & then Owen. From the 70's to the 2000's they weren't without a top goal scorer & (without looking at records) probably didn't pay much for Keegan, Rush or Aldridge. Some teams seem to be able to unearth strikers. We don't.
except for D Bent, Mendonca, Hales, Firmani .. to guess just several
Given that we've already had one 1-0 win, if you could get the 9/1 currently available on us winning by that score tonight for each and every game this season, it would only have to happen 5 times in total from 46 games to make a level stakes profit.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total
Smyth should have opened his account today. Very poor failing to beat the keeper from five yards when in the clear. Bogle on the other hand, didn't fashion a chance. He did hold off a defender to give Pratley the chance to score but he was actually just trying to get on the ball himself.
19/20: Coventry - Matt Godden (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season) Rotherham - Freddie Ladapo (14 - 18 or 19 in a full season) Wycombe - Adebayo Akinfenwa (10 - 13 or 14 in a full season)
18/19: Luton - James Collins (25) Barnsley - Kieffer Moore (17) Charlton - Lyle Taylor (21)
17/18: Wigan - Will Grigg (19) Blackburn - Bradley Dack (18) Rotherham - Kieffer Moore (13)
Only two of the last nine clubs promoted from this division have had a 20+ goal man in their squad.
If you look at 2017/18
Wigan's top scorers were Grigg 19, Powell 15, Jacobs 11 Blackburn - Dack 18, Graham 17, Mulgrew 14, Armstrong 9 Rotherham - Moore 13 in half a season (he surely would have got 20 in a full season), then a number of forwards in single figures
So while nobody got 20, it was pretty close. Do we, like Wigan and Blackburn, have 2 strikers who can get over 15 each?
I don't think we have the strikers to get 15 between them
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Mendonca 45 in 96 2.13
Hunt 35 in 86 2.45
Bent 31 in 68 2.19
I am here all day
Bogle for example has scored
8 goals in the Championship
5 in L1
19 in L2
78 in National/National North
Washington's record is
13 in the Championship
3 in the Scottish Premiership
27 in L1
4 in L2
1 in National
54 in a very low league (level 9)
For BWP
2 in Premier League
26 in Championship
13 in L1 (in 17 games)
i.e. he previously played most of his career at a MUCH higher level, so his goal percentage figures are misleading if you're using them to judge a L1 striker
He is going to score a sh*t load this season. Mark my words!
The point I am trying to make, obviously badly, is that thier numbers suggest they are as equally likely to be as successful as Mendonca, Taylor, BWP or equally as unsuccessful as Ajose. And a lot of people are saying they won't score the goals we need. The reason they haven't scored league 1 level goals recently is the same as BWPs.
The reason people were excited by signing Taylor, Mendonca and BWP was they had recently seen them play against us and they stood out. I don't ever remember us playing against Bogle or Washington even if we have.
We actually did it on 5 occasions last season but, there again, we only won 12 games in total
I think we paid £4k for Killer from Luton. Probably the best value transfer we've ever made.
I would hope Maddison could get near 10 as well
Not from the strikers it seems.