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The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)
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Is that Reeves or Shirtiff?happyvalley said:1672, Peter the Great born3 -
Nobody is asking you to go off to Belgium before anything happens. Fanny has given a hypothetical situation and has asked what people would do in that situation.Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.0 -
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Is that Reeves or Shirtiff?happyvalley said:1672, Peter the Great born3 -
Peter Out......like this takeover2
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If there is a hedge fund I could make a substantial investment after an afternoon in the garden ....2
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What was your answer, I missed it ?superclive98 said:
Nobody is asking you to go off to Belgium before anything happens. Fanny has given a hypothetical situation and has asked what people would do in that situation.Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.0 -
Obviously the Great Peter Garland.SoundAsa£ said:
Is that Reeves or Shirtiff?happyvalley said:1672, Peter the Great born1 -
I think looking foolish could be the least of our worries.....Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.1 -
I didn't post a response, you did. It would appear that you still don't want to consider that what Fanny is suggesting may come to pass.Covered End said:
What was your answer, I missed it ?superclive98 said:
Nobody is asking you to go off to Belgium before anything happens. Fanny has given a hypothetical situation and has asked what people would do in that situation.Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.
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Give it a rest mate.superclive98 said:
I didn't post a response, you did. It would appear that you still don't want to consider that what Fanny is suggesting may come to pass.Covered End said:
What was your answer, I missed it ?superclive98 said:
Nobody is asking you to go off to Belgium before anything happens. Fanny has given a hypothetical situation and has asked what people would do in that situation.Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.
I'm not sure why it's so important to you that I answer a hypothetical question, that you haven't answered and hardly anyone else has.
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Covered End said:It seems to me that there is only one reason why the ex-director loans need to be repaid now.
It is because whoever is providing the purchase funds needs it to be so.
This suggests that the purchase will be funded via a loan from perhaps a hedge fund the like of SISU who own Coventry and this will be secured by The Valley/Sparrows Lane.
If this is the case it is far from clear as to the merits of a new owner over the existing owner.
Some think that anyone is better than RD.
Some think like Brexit, just get it done, I'm past caring.
I really don't know what to think
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If the new owners want a clean title it’s only because they want the sole charge on the assets perfectly reasonable
RD should pay the directors loans
if he doesn’t then walk away why is the Land so pivotal to the process of your interested in the land more than the fact it’s a football club and one that you will never make a profit out of until you reach the premier league then you have to question why are you buying it
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Takeover going well then 🙈🙉🙊4
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Like a hypothetical hedge fund?Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.5 -
Re-posted here from another thread:nth london addick said:If the new owners want a clean title it’s only because they want the sole charge on the assets perfectly reasonable
RD should pay the directors loans
if he doesn’t then walk away why is the Land so pivotal to the process of your interested in the land more than the fact it’s a football club and one that you will never make a profit out of until you reach the premier league then you have to question why are you buying it
fire and frying pan
Could it be that RD is playing a new game?
Trying to get ... or embarrass ... the ex-directors to accept a big discount - then he decides he doesn’t want to sell and takes the opportunity to obtain finance (or seek other opportunities) using the land as collateral?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he sees the land as his big chance to make money, and is using the proposed buyers as pawns in his game.
Far-fetched? Maybe. But nothing would surprise me with this individual.3 -
Fair point, but I did make it clear that I wasn't saying it was a hedge fund.Henry Irving said:
Like a hypothetical hedge fund?Covered End said:
No, I meant what I said.superclive98 said:
What you mean is that you don't want to think about it actually happening.Covered End said:
I don't think I can answer that until it actually happens and I think I understand what is actually going on.Fanny Fanackapan said:
Ah. That question I posed on Friday is asked yet again with still no clear cut indications as to how Lifers might react should Bow reject a derisory offer and decide to walk....followed by the out of contract players.Airman Brown said:
Of course you can - and I did, all over the country last season. I was responding to AFKA who has been arguing (see above) both that more people should go to matches and that discussing the takeover situation is pointless, to paraphrase. Obviously it’s entirely open to anyone what they do, I just find it a bit odd for the owner of a message board to argue that such discussion is pointless.Redskin said:
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.Airman Brown said:
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.Covered End said:
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.Airman Brown said:
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.Redskin said:
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum...Airman Brown said:
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.AFKABartram said:Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
A resolution to the ownership situation is far more likely to assist Bowyer than extra support and while we certainly can’t deliver it we can expose lies and contradictions in Duchatelet’s position so that they don’t gain any traction.
i also wonder where “support the team” gets us if Bowyer isn’t retained, because of the ownership situation. Or will it just move on to Johnnie Jackson, Jose Riga or anyone else who turns up?
It's certainly not something I want to dwell upon but with the end of June getting ever closer, sadly, it needs to be considered IMO.
Yes, this will still be "our" club , but maybe in name only.
And with a new manager stepping into the unknown, with meagre resources at his disposal, it's likely we would be on a hiding to nothing on the hallowed turf, week after week....
Wearing black & white, frequent chanting against the Rat and possibly displaying protest banners would probably be the limit of an individual's show of anger. Would we be so depressed about the situation that most might either sit numbed to the core, silently in their seats , or indeed find something more positive to do on Saturday afternoons ?
The stuffing would be knocked out of yours truly for sure.
So, once again, I ask, how would YOU react if the unthinkable happens ?
I'm not going to start shouting that I'm off to Belgium again & then look foolish when it doesn't happen.
I think it's better to deal in actuals at the time, than hypotheticals.
I said it was a discussion and no one was saying that it is a hedge fund.0 -
Nothing would surprise me either.stonemuse said:
Re-posted here from another thread:nth london addick said:If the new owners want a clean title it’s only because they want the sole charge on the assets perfectly reasonable
RD should pay the directors loans
if he doesn’t then walk away why is the Land so pivotal to the process of your interested in the land more than the fact it’s a football club and one that you will never make a profit out of until you reach the premier league then you have to question why are you buying it
fire and frying pan
Could it be that RD is playing a new game?
Trying to get ... or embarrass ... the ex-directors to accept a big discount - then he decides he doesn’t want to sell and takes the opportunity to obtain finance (or seek other opportunities) using the land as collateral?
I wouldn’t be surprised if he sees the land as his big chance to make money, and is using the proposed buyers as pawns in his game.
Far-fetched? Maybe. But nothing would surprise me with this individual.1 -
My view is that new owners want clear title because they are paying a lot of money and so want clear and uncomplicated ownership.
Why buy a house and allow the previous owners free access to the downstairs toilet?
There is no reason to think that wanting clear title means loans or if it does that means dodgy. Charlton took out a loan (mortgage) to build the new north stand for example.
We don't even know who the potential new owners are beyond Muir, who we know could buy the club on his own.
The problem here is all Roland. He needs to sort the bonds but hasn't so is now playing games to shift blame.
And it's not just the ex-directors being blamed.
Small budget? EFLs fault
Bowyer deal not signed. Bowyer won't trigger the extension.
It's everyone's fault other than Duchatelet's, as ever.
As for support the team Bowyer knows the players perform better with positive support than without so he encourages it. It also engages the fan base, which is great.
But it is a marginal gain. No matter how much we cheered Parker he wouldn't be as good as Taylor.
In the championship others will have bigger, more expensive and talented squads AND loud crowds.
We need to compete with the squad, the scouting, the tactics, the coaching, the injuries, the talent.
Support alone won't be enough. It will help and it should be the norm but it's only a marginal part of success as otherwise England would win the world cup and Leeds the Champions League35 -
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1674 England and the Netherlands sign the Treaty of Westminster, ending the Third Anglo-Dutch War. just adding the usual bollox a little earlier than usual.1
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If Bowyer stays there is no question in my mind that I get down there and support him and the boys.
If Bowyer leaves though, all bets are off as far as I'm concerned.11 -
1674, The skeletons of 2 children are discovered at the Tower of London. It was thought at the time they were The Princes in the Tower.0
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Is that Reeves or Shirtiff?happyvalley said:1672, Peter the Great born5 -
A perfectly clear and reasonable position on the part of the directors. Over to you Duchatelet7
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Never said it wasShootersHillGuru said:
The immediate and long term future of our football club is never boring.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Frustration gets boring after 2 years mateShootersHillGuru said:
Frustrating certainly but hardly Zzzzzi_b_b_o_r_g said:Zzzzz1 -
Surprise suprise , roland is full of it. I swear he just makes it up as he goes along. The more this unravels the more it seems that Roland has no intention of selling.1
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