Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Mr Seed i will be blunt,the loans tumour /spin is utter bollox ! They are to be paid back IF that's IF we ever get to the Prem. Again IF we ever get there then the amount to be repaid is tiny against the revenue that the Prem brings in.
It's a lie by RD to DEFLECT from his own utter incompetent ownership and more so his totally unrealistic asking price.
At the moment I'm wondering if RD and the Aussies are just using you in their negotiations to spin their version of BOLLOX.
If the Aussies don't want to pay the loans ---then don't---fall back on the "Prem agreement". If it's a negotiating tool to get RD to lower the price by £5 million it ISN'T working.
It’s not a negotiating tool to get him to lower the price. Roland has raised the price.
James you have been saying for a long while and up until very recently, that GM will discuss with you nothing business related.
Yet barely a week later you are giving this board the impression that GM is telling you the ins and outs?
Which is it please ?
The outs ;-)
I would appreciate an honest answer, because otherwise it might appear that you are also part of this smoke & mirrors ploy.
(I'm not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. I'm just trying to understand whether you are being briefed by GM, when you have said you are not or whether you're making educated guesses).
Mr Seed i will be blunt,the loans tumour /spin is utter bollox ! They are to be paid back IF that's IF we ever get to the Prem. Again IF we ever get there then the amount to be repaid is tiny against the revenue that the Prem brings in.
It's a lie by RD to DEFLECT from his own utter incompetent ownership and more so his totally unrealistic asking price.
At the moment I'm wondering if RD and the Aussies are just using you in their negotiations to spin their version of BOLLOX.
If the Aussies don't want to pay the loans ---then don't---fall back on the "Prem agreement". If it's a negotiating tool to get RD to lower the price by £5 million it ISN'T working.
It’s not a negotiating tool to get him to lower the price. Roland has raised the price.
James you have been saying for a long while and up until very recently, that GM will discuss with you nothing business related.
Yet barely a week later you are giving this board the impression that GM is telling you the ins and outs?
Which is it please ?
The outs ;-)
I would appreciate an honest answer, because otherwise it might appear that you are also part of this smoke & mirrors ploy.
(I'm not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. I'm just trying to understand whether you are being briefed by GM, when you have said you are not or whether you're making educated guesses).
Keep up, CE; He's got another source who sometimes sends him info a few days before it appears on the OS.
Mr Seed i will be blunt,the loans tumour /spin is utter bollox ! They are to be paid back IF that's IF we ever get to the Prem. Again IF we ever get there then the amount to be repaid is tiny against the revenue that the Prem brings in.
It's a lie by RD to DEFLECT from his own utter incompetent ownership and more so his totally unrealistic asking price.
At the moment I'm wondering if RD and the Aussies are just using you in their negotiations to spin their version of BOLLOX.
If the Aussies don't want to pay the loans ---then don't---fall back on the "Prem agreement". If it's a negotiating tool to get RD to lower the price by £5 million it ISN'T working.
It’s not a negotiating tool to get him to lower the price. Roland has raised the price.
James you have been saying for a long while and up until very recently, that GM will discuss with you nothing business related.
Yet barely a week later you are giving this board the impression that GM is telling you the ins and outs?
Which is it please ?
The outs ;-)
I would appreciate an honest answer, because otherwise it might appear that you are also part of this smoke & mirrors ploy.
(I'm not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. I'm just trying to understand whether you are being briefed by GM, when you have said you are not or whether you're making educated guesses).
Keep up, CE; He's got another source who sometimes sends him info a few days before it appears on the OS.
Yes I know that thanks, but I wondered if there was more than that. Mind you is the source GM ?
I am sceptical about the Directors’ Loans issue holding up the sale, given the sums involved in the greater scheme of things.
I can understand any purchaser and their financiers wanting ‘clean title’, although what’s to stop Duchatelet doing a deal with the directors who are prepared to do so and then purchasing a contingency policy in respect of the others, naming them/their estates as beneficiaries ? Underwriters would probably want a reasonably chunky premium but it would achieve certainty for all concerned.
Through all the fog, however, everything points back to the conclusion that the delay is simply down to Duchatelet’s unrealistic price.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
So we’re told - but has it ? If so, why are we still “stuck”, to adopt Roland’s terminology ?
I think there is more than one source for that ?
You’re absolutely right @ShootersHillGuru. Indeed, in addition to posters on CL, I think LDT said at a recent Fans Forum Meeting that a price had a been agreed with two or three parties.
The problem is that anyone can “agree” a price but it’s all subject to contract and non-binding unless and until the parties sign on the dotted line. The structuring of payments could be an issue - for example, with Duchatelet demanding further sums if we reach the Premier League or if the club receive contingent ‘add-ons’ for players we’ve sold. I haven’t a clue but I am very doubtful that the directors’ loans are the issue holding up the transaction, as Duchatelet would have us believe.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
So the people (all Charlton Supporters) who loaned the business money and then were generous enough to let it float interest free for as long as takes are now expected to take a hit to give that cunt a profit! fuck him I would rather us relegated again then that odious twat make money out of our former directors.
Profit? Hasn’t he spent £60-70m so far? Won’t get that when he sells.
Maybe, but a lot of that expenditure is down to gross incompetence on his part.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
I'm unaware of anyone saying that discussing 'what is going on' detracts from supporting the team; I certainly wasn't.
N01R4M you are forgetting that RD is also putting a value on the land which ignores British planning laws. He thinks that building a hotel at St Truiden, by being a bigwig to the council, the same applies over here. The reality is the Valley will only ever be a football stadium unless CAFC voluntarily relocate.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
Why can't you support the team whilst wanting Roland out though? That doesn't mean you are supporting Roland, it means you are supporting the team.
If Bowyer and Co stay, despite being handed a low budget, should we not be rewarding that loyalty by showing some support?
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
I think I know what you mean, but this spate of discussion has been triggered by the statement - surely this forum would respond.
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
Why can't you support the team whilst wanting Roland out though? That doesn't mean you are supporting Roland, it means you are supporting the team.
If Bowyer and Co stay, despite being handed a low budget, should we not be rewarding that loyalty by showing some support?
This.
If Lord Bowyer says filling The Valley helps the boys and really does make a difference then that's good enough for me. It's easy to say after beating Rochdale 4-0 but Bowyer's tone of voice and choice of words were 100% genuine and for me, us the fans, we owe Bowyer for last season, if he says fill The Valley then we fans should be filling it IMO.
And speaking of the support the team not Roland, I thought the whole point of this was the black and white campaign or at least part of it where people can visibly wear black and white at games to show the support the team not the regime mantra and not be seen as being oblivious to what's going on off the pitch.
For the last few seasons some high ranking members of staff have been saying the the club will be easier to sell when we are in the championship. I don't think so
Seems we are back to micro analysing details without anyone really knowing whether those details are the real issue or not.
Weve been in a similar round to this about 6 or 7 times over the last two years. I’ve absolutely no idea why some people wrap themselves up so much in it.
Probably because many of us realise that just chanting “support the team” isn’t much use in the medium term unless the owner does so as well.
Well, Bowyer and the team seemed to think that supporting the team was was of considerable use to them.I don't recall them commenting on the use of 17,000 pages of gossip and conjecture on a Charlton forum... I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
Yes, in L1 where Charlton will always be competitive because about two thirds of the division are perennial strugglers. In the Championship that won’t cut it for very long, as a series of small clubs have found out.
I think you may need to clarify this, because it reads that there is no point Charlton fans supporting the team above L1.
No, it means that it won’t of itself enable the team to be successful. Some people seem to think that asking questions and exploring what is going on is somehow exclusive of or detracts from “supporting the team”. However as Redskin himself points out, Bowyer and the team are oblivious to this discussion.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
Jesus wept, you can be fully aware of the negligence of the owner and the damage being inflicted on the club and still support the team without thinking it's a solution to the problems.
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I think we can all agree the owner is of little use at all.
(I'm not trying to be confrontational or aggressive. I'm just trying to understand whether you are being briefed by GM, when you have said you are not or whether you're making educated guesses).
Mind you is the source GM ?
I can understand any purchaser and their financiers wanting ‘clean title’, although what’s to stop Duchatelet doing a deal with the directors who are prepared to do so and then purchasing a contingency policy in respect of the others, naming them/their estates as beneficiaries ? Underwriters would probably want a reasonably chunky premium but it would achieve certainty for all concerned.
Through all the fog, however, everything points back to the conclusion that the delay is simply down to Duchatelet’s unrealistic price.
The problem is that anyone can “agree” a price but it’s all subject to contract and non-binding unless and until the parties sign on the dotted line. The structuring of payments could be an issue - for example, with Duchatelet demanding further sums if we reach the Premier League or if the club receive contingent ‘add-ons’ for players we’ve sold. I haven’t a clue but I am very doubtful that the directors’ loans are the issue holding up the transaction, as Duchatelet would have us believe.
You can, if you want, stick your fingers in your ears and join RD is his delusion that having the lowest budget in the division (according to Bowyer) doesn’t mean we can’t get promoted. You can ignore the fact that teams with Charlton’s likely budget usually go down. But shouting louder at matches still won’t be a solution.
Maybe he told his sister...Kay
And ,should I put the bubbley back in the fridge today ,or leave it a while ?
If Bowyer and Co stay, despite being handed a low budget, should we not be rewarding that loyalty by showing some support?
If Lord Bowyer says filling The Valley helps the boys and really does make a difference then that's good enough for me. It's easy to say after beating Rochdale 4-0 but Bowyer's tone of voice and choice of words were 100% genuine and for me, us the fans, we owe Bowyer for last season, if he says fill The Valley then we fans should be filling it IMO.
And speaking of the support the team not Roland, I thought the whole point of this was the black and white campaign or at least part of it where people can visibly wear black and white at games to show the support the team not the regime mantra and not be seen as being oblivious to what's going on off the pitch.