If RD is still holding out for £65m on the sale of real estate, then we have an impasse. Remember that he is a business man with profit is king thinking. The difference between how much the club cost him and £65m ((less expenditure) means that he can hold out. Plus a few more quid for Aribo will mean longer.
With have a serious situation here as it’s more than likely to continue under his ownership for sometime. Such a shame.
So only support your team at Wembley? It didn't take long, it really didn't. So disappointing.
I think that you need to start looking at the bigger picture.
We all know the bigger picture. But some of us support the team home & away, whilst some of us turn up occasionally for a big game. We all know & want a better owner. Have another listen to what Lee Bowyer said about the importance of the fans.
So when Bowyer and over half of the current squad walk away on 30 June because the idiotic owner fails to offer them adequate contracts and then brings in inferior replacements from football's equivalent of Poundland, you'll feel the same will you?
Bowyer should obviously have been signed up, we all know it's ridiculous. So should Aribo & Fosu at the start of last season.
However, it is a lie to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them an adequate contract.
We have offered contracts to who we want to keep. Please read what Bowyer said.
The reason for not offering the others contracts, is because Lee Bowyer doesn't want to keep them & I agree with him.
We shall be looking to get in better players, not inferior players.
We all know they are likely to be the best players from L1 who are out of contract like Lyle Taylor was.
We all know it's far from ideal & we all want a better owner than the bonkers Belgian, but please don't tell lies to influence others.
I'm not quite sure why you think I'm trying to influence other people. I'm expressing my opinion of the current situation at the club, which should be on the crest of a wave after Sunday, but is actually in limbo. Duchatelet has already offered Bowyer a new contract. You may recall that he said that he had never seen anything like it! You state the players that have been offered contracts are the players that Bowyer wanted to keep but those four include Fosu, who hadn't featured in recent weeks and barely at all throughout the season. I really don't believe that Fosu is a player that Bowyer would be overly keen to keep. You also have to remember that just because these players have been offered contracts doesn't mean that they are staying. I very much doubt if the contracts offered are generous, especially as Roland is so scared of the finances of a Championship side. We will see what we are left with come August in the way of management and players but I, for one, am not confident that it will be sufficient to survive the Championship.
So only support your team at Wembley? It didn't take long, it really didn't. So disappointing.
I think that you need to start looking at the bigger picture.
We all know the bigger picture. But some of us support the team home & away, whilst some of us turn up occasionally for a big game. We all know & want a better owner. Have another listen to what Lee Bowyer said about the importance of the fans.
So when Bowyer and over half of the current squad walk away on 30 June because the idiotic owner fails to offer them adequate contracts and then brings in inferior replacements from football's equivalent of Poundland, you'll feel the same will you?
Bowyer should obviously have been signed up, we all know it's ridiculous. So should Aribo & Fosu at the start of last season.
However, it is a lie to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them an adequate contract.
We have offered contracts to who we want to keep. Please read what Bowyer said.
The reason for not offering the others contracts, is because Lee Bowyer doesn't want to keep them & I agree with him.
We shall be looking to get in better players, not inferior players.
We all know they are likely to be the best players from L1 who are out if contract like Lyle Taylor was.
We all know it's far from ideal & we all want a better owner than the bonkers Belgian, but please don't tell lies to influence others.
I don’t think Bowyer will be leaving but Superclive’s comment cannot be a lie because it’s a prediction not a statement of fact - see also Boris Johnson’s lies v unfulfilled predictions on the remain side in 2016. One was established fact, the other was opinion.
The strong likelihood if RD remains in charge is that he will wreck the situation again. I’m reluctant to expand on this too much in the aftermath of last weekend, which everyone enjoyed, but the flaws in his approach are obvious and won’t be offset by cheering louder or pretending they don’t exist. The difference in L1 is that two thirds of the clubs can’t compete with us.
”Support the team” on its own is not enough. Indeed it’s likely to lead to another wave of even deeper hopelessness driving more people away permanently. It needs to be coupled with causing Duchatelet as much embarrassment and inconvenience as possible.
So the current squad is Phillips, Page, Bauer, Pearce, Marshall, Taylor, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Pratley, Aribo, Morgan, Solly, Williams, Sarr, Lapslie, Dijksteel.
Bauer, Marshall, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Aribo, and Williams are out of contract.
I think the vast majority would agree we would love to keep Bauer and Aribo and probably JFC.
I very much doubt the vast majority of fans would like to keep the rest to play in The Championship, if you take into account Bowyer deemed them not good enough and or not fit enough for L1. (Williams apart but wages are his issue).
So It's not true to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
It may be true of Bauer, JFC and Aribo. But 3 out of 19 is not half the squad no matter what anyone pretends.
We know Fosu has been offered a contract so we can get a fee for him.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong then please list the 7 other players that Bowyer wants to keep, but can't because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
Before anyone does I recommend you read what Bowyer said.
Finally, we all know RD is an idiotic owner, that is not in dispute and I don't think we will have a strong squad next season. I'm simply saying that what superclive98 said cannot possibly be true. An exaggeration.
Apologies for side tracking the sale thread, but I can't be having people saying things that cannot become true, as it's a factual impossibility, unless Bowyer was lying and wanted to keep all the released players. Personally, I don't think he did.
So only support your team at Wembley? It didn't take long, it really didn't. So disappointing.
I think that you need to start looking at the bigger picture.
We all know the bigger picture. But some of us support the team home & away, whilst some of us turn up occasionally for a big game. We all know & want a better owner. Have another listen to what Lee Bowyer said about the importance of the fans.
So when Bowyer and over half of the current squad walk away on 30 June because the idiotic owner fails to offer them adequate contracts and then brings in inferior replacements from football's equivalent of Poundland, you'll feel the same will you?
Bowyer should obviously have been signed up, we all know it's ridiculous. So should Aribo & Fosu at the start of last season.
However, it is a lie to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them an adequate contract.
We have offered contracts to who we want to keep. Please read what Bowyer said.
The reason for not offering the others contracts, is because Lee Bowyer doesn't want to keep them & I agree with him.
We shall be looking to get in better players, not inferior players.
We all know they are likely to be the best players from L1 who are out if contract like Lyle Taylor was.
We all know it's far from ideal & we all want a better owner than the bonkers Belgian, but please don't tell lies to influence others.
I don’t think Bowyer will be leaving but Superclive’s comment cannot be a lie because it’s a prediction not a statement of fact - see also Boris Johnson’s lies v unfulfilled predictions on the remain side in 2016. One was established fact, the other was opinion.
The strong likelihood if RD remains in charge is that he will wreck the situation again. I’m reluctant to expand on this too much in the aftermath of last weekend, which everyone enjoyed, but the flaws in his approach are obvious and won’t be offset by cheering louder or pretending they don’t exist. The difference in L1 is that two thirds of the clubs can’t compete with us.
”Support the team” on its own is not enough. Indeed it’s likely to lead to another wave of even deeper hopelessness driving more people away permanently. It needs to be coupled with causing Duchatelet as much embarrassment and inconvenience as possible.
So the current squad is Phillips, Page, Bauer, Pearce, Marshall, Taylor, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Pratley, Aribo, Morgan, Solly, Williams, Sarr, Lapslie, Dijksteel.
Bauer, Marshall, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Aribo, and Williams are out of contract.
I think the vast majority would agree we would love to keep Bauer and Aribo and probably JFC.
I very much doubt the vast majority of fans would like to keep the rest to play in The Championship, if you take into account Bowyer deemed them not good enough and or not fit enough for L1. (Williams apart but wages are his issue).
So It's not true to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
It may be true of Bauer, JFC and Aribo. But 3 out of 19 is not half the squad no matter what anyone pretends.
We know Fosu has been offered a contract so we can get a fee for him.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong then please list the 7 other players that Bowyer wants to keep, but can't because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
Before anyone does I recommend you read what Bowyer said.
Finally, we all know RD is an idiotic owner, that is not in dispute and I don't think we will have a strong squad next season. I'm simply saying that what superclive98 said cannot possibly be true. An exaggeration.
Apologies for side tracking the sale thread, but I can't be having people saying things that cannot become true, as it's a factual impossibility, unless Bowyer was lying and wanted to keep all the released players. Personally, I don't think he did.
I still don't know what your 'It didn't take long. It really didn't' point means. You repeatedly say that RD is a bad owner, so what are you talking about?
If RD is still holding out for £65m on the sale of real estate, then we have an impasse. Remember that he is a business man with profit is king thinking. The difference between how much the club cost him and £65m ((less expenditure) means that he can hold out. Plus a few more quid for Aribo will mean longer.
With have a serious situation here as it’s more than likely to continue under his ownership for sometime. Such a shame.
He won't get much for Aribo. Any compensation fee will be pretty small i think given he's been playing in league one and has no international youth caps. Also i'm not sure how it works but do we get even less if Aribo goes to Rangers or Celtic as i think you get less if the player moves countries?
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
He's out of contract.
We might get a development fee but he's only been with us for three or four years.
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
No way are we going to get 'a few million' for a player who only joined us at 19 and who's played his entire career in league one. Although i'm not sure what other precedents there are to judge what kind of compensation fee is likely, i'd expect it to be a few hundred thousand rather than a few million though.
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
No way are we going to get 'a few million' for a player who only joined us at 19 and who's played his entire career in league one. Although i'm not sure what other precedents there are to judge what kind of compensation fee is likely, i'd expect it to be a few hundred thousand rather than a few million though.
I didn't realise he joined so late, so you're probably right. However there will probably be an opportunity to have a sell on clause that could make more money down the line.
So only support your team at Wembley? It didn't take long, it really didn't. So disappointing.
I think that you need to start looking at the bigger picture.
We all know the bigger picture. But some of us support the team home & away, whilst some of us turn up occasionally for a big game. We all know & want a better owner. Have another listen to what Lee Bowyer said about the importance of the fans.
So when Bowyer and over half of the current squad walk away on 30 June because the idiotic owner fails to offer them adequate contracts and then brings in inferior replacements from football's equivalent of Poundland, you'll feel the same will you?
Bowyer should obviously have been signed up, we all know it's ridiculous. So should Aribo & Fosu at the start of last season.
However, it is a lie to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them an adequate contract.
We have offered contracts to who we want to keep. Please read what Bowyer said.
The reason for not offering the others contracts, is because Lee Bowyer doesn't want to keep them & I agree with him.
We shall be looking to get in better players, not inferior players.
We all know they are likely to be the best players from L1 who are out if contract like Lyle Taylor was.
We all know it's far from ideal & we all want a better owner than the bonkers Belgian, but please don't tell lies to influence others.
I don’t think Bowyer will be leaving but Superclive’s comment cannot be a lie because it’s a prediction not a statement of fact - see also Boris Johnson’s lies v unfulfilled predictions on the remain side in 2016. One was established fact, the other was opinion.
The strong likelihood if RD remains in charge is that he will wreck the situation again. I’m reluctant to expand on this too much in the aftermath of last weekend, which everyone enjoyed, but the flaws in his approach are obvious and won’t be offset by cheering louder or pretending they don’t exist. The difference in L1 is that two thirds of the clubs can’t compete with us.
”Support the team” on its own is not enough. Indeed it’s likely to lead to another wave of even deeper hopelessness driving more people away permanently. It needs to be coupled with causing Duchatelet as much embarrassment and inconvenience as possible.
So the current squad is Phillips, Page, Bauer, Pearce, Marshall, Taylor, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Pratley, Aribo, Morgan, Solly, Williams, Sarr, Lapslie, Dijksteel.
Bauer, Marshall, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Aribo, and Williams are out of contract.
I think the vast majority would agree we would love to keep Bauer and Aribo and probably JFC.
I very much doubt the vast majority of fans would like to keep the rest to play in The Championship, if you take into account Bowyer deemed them not good enough and or not fit enough for L1. (Williams apart but wages are his issue).
So It's not true to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
It may be true of Bauer, JFC and Aribo. But 3 out of 19 is not half the squad no matter what anyone pretends.
We know Fosu has been offered a contract so we can get a fee for him.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong then please list the 7 other players that Bowyer wants to keep, but can't because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
Before anyone does I recommend you read what Bowyer said.
Finally, we all know RD is an idiotic owner, that is not in dispute and I don't think we will have a strong squad next season. I'm simply saying that what superclive98 said cannot possibly be true. An exaggeration.
Apologies for side tracking the sale thread, but I can't be having people saying things that cannot become true, as it's a factual impossibility, unless Bowyer was lying and wanted to keep all the released players. Personally, I don't think he did.
I still don't know what your 'It didn't take long. It really didn't' point means. You repeatedly say that RD is a bad owner, so what are you talking about?
I meant the happy joyous posts turning to doom and gloom.
Usually the two clubs agree (did we find an agreement with West Ham for Diego Poyet a few years back?) so I suspect whatever derisory amount a club offers us for Aribo, Roland will instruct his minion to accept it.
If not and it goes to the committee, there are a lot of factors to take into account including relative contract offers, age of player, how long at developing club, relative position of both clubs, etc.
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
He's out of contract.
We might get a development fee but he's only been with us for three or four years.
Couldn’t he sign before being sold, like Fosu?
Edit: Agh, wrong thread!! Another post on the thread that would not die!
If RD is still holding out for £65m on the sale of real estate, then we have an impasse. Remember that he is a business man with profit is king thinking. The difference between how much the club cost him and £65m ((less expenditure) means that he can hold out. Plus a few more quid for Aribo will mean longer.
With have a serious situation here as it’s more than likely to continue under his ownership for sometime. Such a shame.
£65 million? He's got more chance of knitting fog than getting that. Oh well, looks like a short stay in the Championship then.
We would get a decent fee for Aribo, basically we can say how much we think his worth if the buying club don't agree then it goes to a third party to come up with the fee. They look at multiple things but the most important is how much money the buying club are offering the player in wages. If they are offering Aribo a big contract then its obvious he isn't worth a few 100k. Will def be looking at a few million easy.
No way are we going to get 'a few million' for a player who only joined us at 19 and who's played his entire career in league one. Although i'm not sure what other precedents there are to judge what kind of compensation fee is likely, i'd expect it to be a few hundred thousand rather than a few million though.
I didn't realise he joined so late, so you're probably right. However there will probably be an opportunity to have a sell on clause that could make more money down the line.
"It is also usual for there to be a sell-on fee should the player be sold at a profit at any point in the future."
Informative article, explains how it all works - plus several case studies.
Interestingly, some of these case studies were of lower League clubs who'd signed youngsters released by Prem clubs, but had further developed them themselves.
Some tasty fees were demanded by tribunals.
No question that we'd get a decent development fee for Joe Aribo, but of course much smaller than a market place transfer fee that the idiot owner could have received if only he'd tied up Aribo to an acceptable contract last summer.
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With have a serious situation here as it’s more than likely to continue under his ownership for sometime. Such a shame.
Duchatelet has already offered Bowyer a new contract. You may recall that he said that he had never seen anything like it!
You state the players that have been offered contracts are the players that Bowyer wanted to keep but those four include Fosu, who hadn't featured in recent weeks and barely at all throughout the season. I really don't believe that Fosu is a player that Bowyer would be overly keen to keep. You also have to remember that just because these players have been offered contracts doesn't mean that they are staying. I very much doubt if the contracts offered are generous, especially as Roland is so scared of the finances of a Championship side.
We will see what we are left with come August in the way of management and players but I, for one, am not confident that it will be sufficient to survive the Championship.
Bauer, Marshall, Parker, Reeves, Fosu, Vetokele, JFC, Aribo, and Williams are out of contract.
I think the vast majority would agree we would love to keep Bauer and Aribo and probably JFC.
I very much doubt the vast majority of fans would like to keep the rest to play in The Championship, if you take into account Bowyer deemed them not good enough and or not fit enough for L1. (Williams apart but wages are his issue).
So It's not true to say that half the squad are leaving because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
It may be true of Bauer, JFC and Aribo. But 3 out of 19 is not half the squad no matter what anyone pretends.
We know Fosu has been offered a contract so we can get a fee for him.
If anyone thinks I'm wrong then please list the 7 other players that Bowyer wants to keep, but can't because the idiotic owner has failed to offer them adequate contracts.
Before anyone does I recommend you read what Bowyer said.
Finally, we all know RD is an idiotic owner, that is not in dispute and I don't think we will have a strong squad next season.
I'm simply saying that what superclive98 said cannot possibly be true. An exaggeration.
Apologies for side tracking the sale thread, but I can't be having people saying things that cannot become true, as it's a factual impossibility, unless Bowyer was lying and wanted to keep all the released players.
Personally, I don't think he did.
We might get a development fee but he's only been with us for three or four years.
This article explains in pretty well.
http://fullcontactlaw.co.uk/2016/11/compensation-players-24-mystery/
If not and it goes to the committee, there are a lot of factors to take into account including relative contract offers, age of player, how long at developing club, relative position of both clubs, etc.
Edit: Agh, wrong thread!! Another post on the thread that would not die!
No spoilers please.
Think Cromwell might win by a 'short head'?
£65 million? He's got more chance of knitting fog than getting that. Oh well, looks like a short stay in the Championship then.
Informative article, explains how it all works - plus several case studies.
Interestingly, some of these case studies were of lower League clubs who'd signed youngsters released by Prem clubs, but had further developed them themselves.
Some tasty fees were demanded by tribunals.
No question that we'd get a decent development fee for Joe Aribo, but of course much smaller than a market place transfer fee that the idiot owner could have received if only he'd tied up Aribo to an acceptable contract last summer.
If the matter hasn’t been resolved by the end of next week I hope CARD have a good plan in mind to ramp up the pressure on RD.
I guess the idiot owner thinks he'll get that sum back by Fosu rejecting any contract offer at Charlton, and signing for another club.
It could already be that Fosu has a club lined up.