The Takeover Thread - Duchatelet Finally Sells (Jan 2020)

Had DW done this interview before any knowledge of the £30m banker bid? He seems pessimistic about a sale happening any time soon. If the bid has come in since, it's at least going to stir things up a bit surely. 

From day 1 of Duchatelet's tenure, did Richard Murray back Roland because he had ambitions to one day return with a consortium to the board room because he had unfinished business with CAFC ?

Was Murray playing the long game because he knew that Duchatelet's network model was doomed to fail in English football ?

Is this impassé with the sale of Charlton because of quid pro quo between Duchatelet and Murray, plus RM finding it difficult to broker the deal because of RD eccentric behaviour.

Would the Cafc fan base accept Murray in some role if it meant Roland Duchatelet is history ?

Here's the club's position in October 2017, as told to Karl Robinson by "a member of the board".

https://www.londonnewsonline.co.uk/charlton-athletic-boss-karl-robinson-reacts-to-report-that-takeover-talks-at-advanced-stage/

irudd123 said:

Had DW done this interview before any knowledge of the £30m banker bid? He seems pessimistic about a sale happening any time soon. If the bid has come in since, it's at least going to stir things up a bit surely. 

Given the SLP goes to press at lunchtime on Thursday, there's no way he could have given the interview subsequent to the story. It was done days earlier.

Airman Brown said:

irudd123 said:

Had DW done this interview before any knowledge of the £30m banker bid? He seems pessimistic about a sale happening any time soon. If the bid has come in since, it's at least going to stir things up a bit surely. 

Given the SLP goes to press at lunchtime on Thursday, there's no way he could have given the interview subsequent to the story. It was done days earlier.

And so I wonder IF the idea this offer is more potent than the 'previous five' - would he maybe say differently? Granted, given time for it to really develop what the new offer is. 

Murray has well and truly outstayed his welcome. Its sad because for all the good he did,he's now going to be remembered for the douchbag years.

Am I missing something?
The article didn't really confirm that Murray was involved in the bid.
Just said he went round to White's place with the Aussies.

So effectively reps for the buyer and seller approaching those owed.

I'm always one of the first to jump down muddled Murray's throat but would err on the side of caution in this circumstance.

Also, next page, a good read on young Kevin Lisbie, still playing at 40(!!)

Airman Brown said:

rananegra said:

Interesting interview with David White. @Airman Brown - which of his opinions do you disagree with? The idea that RD doesn't want promotion makes sense. I also think he's got right to the heart of how RD operates - on his own stubbornness regardless of what makes a rational business decision. I think you're right about people trying to flush out RD on price, but he is in a world of his own and I think we need more pressure on him. 

Price, mainly. On whether it has ever been close, I believe the principals and the professionals have believed it was - you don't put the contract into the EFL without believing that for a start. Hence the numerous stories to that effect from me, Rich Cawley, the Standard, Jim White, @JamesSeed and others.

I don't believe he doesn't want promotion - just that he isn't going to put any extra money into it because it's not guaranteed to deliver. He will believe that Vetokele is the answer because that's what his spreadsheet and probably Thomas Driesen tell him.

How can you say that you dont believe he doesnt want promotion, he pretty much said that the other day himself

paulie8290 said:

Airman Brown said:

rananegra said:

Interesting interview with David White. @Airman Brown - which of his opinions do you disagree with? The idea that RD doesn't want promotion makes sense. I also think he's got right to the heart of how RD operates - on his own stubbornness regardless of what makes a rational business decision. I think you're right about people trying to flush out RD on price, but he is in a world of his own and I think we need more pressure on him. 

Price, mainly. On whether it has ever been close, I believe the principals and the professionals have believed it was - you don't put the contract into the EFL without believing that for a start. Hence the numerous stories to that effect from me, Rich Cawley, the Standard, Jim White, @JamesSeed and others.

I don't believe he doesn't want promotion - just that he isn't going to put any extra money into it because it's not guaranteed to deliver. He will believe that Vetokele is the answer because that's what his spreadsheet and probably Thomas Driesen tell him.

How can you say that you dont believe he doesnt want promotion, he pretty much said that the other day himself

Don’t think he did. He knows the club is worth more in the Championship.

AFKABartram said:

Interesting read. I would not necessary assume on Murray’s involvement with the Aussie group from that as the Aussie group seems to have changed significantly in 18 months and it wasn’t expressed what actually was the purpose of that meeting.

Equally not writing it off though. 

99% sure he wasn’t involved with GM group, not as part of consortium at least.

Possibly offered to ‘help’ the negotiations, possibly in the hope of a continuing role at the club. [My speculation only].

carly burn said:

Am I missing something?
The article didn't really confirm that Murray was involved in the bid.
Just said he went round to Whitehands place with the Aussies.

So effectively reps for the buyer and seller approaching those owed.

I'm always one of the first to jump down muddled Murray's throat but would air on the side of caution in this circumstance.

White not Whitehand. Agree your interpretation might be reasonable, but in October 2017 the board’s position was that the club wasn't for sale. As per the Robinson article, the “member of the board” denied the story. That was always a peculiar construction if he meant the chief executive or Roland. Why not just name them?

Hex said:

JamesSeed said:

If that’s true, I wonder at which stage he became involved. Oct ‘17 or before?

Unlikely to have been before as he was 'involved' elsewhere.

Gardikiotis? This goes back to the issue of the "two Australians bids". I could never connect Gardikiotis to Murphy/Muir, other than overlap of nationality. If Murray was working with Gardikiotis and there were indeed two separate approaches here, there would have been a conflict of interest in him representing the club with Murphy/Muir, wouldn't there?

soapboxsam said:

happyvalley said:

1564, William Shakespeare born.

All the world’s a stage, and all the Charlton Life men and women merely players. They have their exits and their entrances; And one man Richard Murray, in his time plays many parts.

As You Like it

Roland Duchatelet and Richard Murray if you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?

The Merchant of Venice

The web of our Charlton life is of a mingled yarn, good and ill together.

All's well That Ends Well (let's bloody hope so)

To sell or not to sell that is the question

thewolfboy said:

Rye, oh rye do we have to have bread puns?

To bake or not to bake that is the question