The 2017 Summer Transfer Rumours Thread (Deadline Day from page 264)
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that would go against the run of usual league finishing postions and would like to give us every single chance - is there anyone that actually doesnt think we need anybody?killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 161 -
I would be happy with a really good young loanee as 2nd or 3rd choice striker, but not somebody to come in and replace Josh. We aren't set up to play 4-4-2, with a BWP type alongside a Josh, but should get plenty of goals from the midfieldpalarsehater said:
that would go against the run of usual league finishing postions and would like to give us every single chance - is there anyone that actually doesnt think we need anybody?killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 160 -
"We were really close, however upon faxing the FA with Will Grigg's registration details, Chris Parkes realised he had sent the delivery note from Sue's weekly Iceland food shop"4
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She doesn't shop because shopping isn't freericky_otto said:"We were really close to a couple, however upon faxing the FA with Will Grigg's registration details, Chris Parkes realised he had faxed the delivery note from Sue's weekly Iceland food shop"
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say it every transfer circus "expect little get less" its Charlton ----RD and the Poodles just playing with the club1
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You need some strikers on the bench should you find yourself 1 or 2 down, need to change the game or change system sometimes. We have plan A only3
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But we need to be able to play 4-4-2 when the situation and availability of players demand it. Without that flexibility we are causing ourselves all sorts of problems with only two senior strikers.killerandflash said:
I would be happy with a really good young loanee as 2nd or 3rd choice striker, but not somebody to come in and replace Josh. We aren't set up to play 4-4-2, with a BWP type alongside a Josh, but should get plenty of goals from the midfieldpalarsehater said:
that would go against the run of usual league finishing postions and would like to give us every single chance - is there anyone that actually doesnt think we need anybody?killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 16
I'm very pleased with what I've seen of Robinsons coaching so far this season but unless I see him change formation to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 during a match to suit the sutuation then I will be concerned. At Plymouth for the last 20 minutes we were crying out for a change.
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This is my main issue with KR, he plays good football but appears very unwilling to mix things up and attempt a plan B when things aren't working.benjest1989 said:You need some strikers on the bench should you find yourself 1 or 2 down, need to change the game or change system sometimes. We have plan A only
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"Katrien tried everything she could to complete the deal and it was only at the last minute that she realised she had been negotiating with Ryan Giggs' agent and not Will Grigg's"....,
Is where my money is.13 -
Thisssssssssss. All of the this. I think Holmes, JFC, and Big Josh could all hit double digits this year and that is more conducive to the way we play than having one 20 goal scorer. Yes we need cover at striker, but it doesn't necessarily need to be a poacher. We let Ajose go again because he didn't fit the system, and it's unlikely any other poacher would.killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 16
Also, to those saying we let four strikers go, Vetokele, Ajose, and Umerah were all out on loan second half of last season. And let's be honest, Umerah wouldn't be near the first team at this point, especially once Hanan is back fit. It's not a 4 out 1 in ratio we're looking for, it's more 1:1 with Watt leaving.6 - Sponsored links:
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Our bench was very thin that day, with no Novak, Croft or Reeves. With those 3 back we at least do have more options now. I think we need a better 3rd choice striker than Reeco, especially with Josh missing on Saturday, but we do have attacking options, and even more when Marshall returnsShootersHillGuru said:
But we need to be able to play 4-4-2 when the situation and availability of players demand it. Without that flexibility we are causing ourselves all sorts of problems with only two senior strikers.killerandflash said:
I would be happy with a really good young loanee as 2nd or 3rd choice striker, but not somebody to come in and replace Josh. We aren't set up to play 4-4-2, with a BWP type alongside a Josh, but should get plenty of goals from the midfieldpalarsehater said:
that would go against the run of usual league finishing postions and would like to give us every single chance - is there anyone that actually doesnt think we need anybody?killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 16
I'm very pleased with what I've seen of Robinsons coaching so far this season but unless I see him change formation to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 during a match to suit the sutuation then I will be concerned. At Plymouth for the last 20 minutes we were crying out for a change.1 -
I don't think we have players who lend themselves to 4-4-2, and 4-4-2 is not necessarily more attacking then 4-2-3-1. Look at Slade's football last year.ShootersHillGuru said:
But we need to be able to play 4-4-2 when the situation and availability of players demand it. Without that flexibility we are causing ourselves all sorts of problems with only two senior strikers.killerandflash said:
I would be happy with a really good young loanee as 2nd or 3rd choice striker, but not somebody to come in and replace Josh. We aren't set up to play 4-4-2, with a BWP type alongside a Josh, but should get plenty of goals from the midfieldpalarsehater said:
that would go against the run of usual league finishing postions and would like to give us every single chance - is there anyone that actually doesnt think we need anybody?killerandflash said:
Well Bury came 19th last season, 1 place above the relegation spots, so having a single prolific scorer doesn't always make a difference. Indeed Bolton came second with nobody scoring more than 9 goals in the leaguepalarsehater said:"we did put a bid in for a striker, but it wasnt right at the time"
absolute shit show, its like they've shortchanged people that believed they changed quicker then ever, take a look at the table cos that's what you could of had.
i am not denying that we have a very good starting 11 in the opening matches we have looked great - but one of our strikers is an international so that's him missing a few games, as others have said josh is a v decent player but he wont get the goals.
will grigg or someone of his finish would be ideal and think we would certainly be in the mix still be a bit light but would be up there.
looking at last season this was the top 5.
billy sharp - shef utd 30
james vaughn - bury 24
josh morris - scunthorpe 19
lee gregory - scum 17
simon cox - southend 16
I'm very pleased with what I've seen of Robinsons coaching so far this season but unless I see him change formation to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 during a match to suit the sutuation then I will be concerned. At Plymouth for the last 20 minutes we were crying out for a change.
Arrigo Sachi used to say that sometimes, when chasing a game, the best thing you can do is withdraw a forward because having two right up front is sometimes easier for a defense to mark, and bringing an extra player in behind creates more space up front and more confusion for who defenders have to mark.
I do think we need the ability to change things, although I don't know that that necessarily means changing formations. I think our conversations are too wedded to formations and mistake them for a system. Within our system we should be able to play more direct if necessary, play it out to the wings to get more crosses in, or if we're leading like we were at the weekend, to stop trying to go forward all the time and try to just maintain possession and "defend with the ball."
Another formation might be good, but I think it's more likely to be something like a 4-1-4-1 which doesn't seem as attacking but could give real freedom to the two advanced central midfielders, say JFC and Konsa, and allow the wingers to start from a slightly deeper position so they have space to run into/at defenders. Again, it's not necessarily how the team lines up, but more how we use a system.
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Or Sue Parkes stepped in to help out and we somehow ended up trying to negotiate with Greggs!!!Macronate said:"Katrien tried everything she could to complete the deal and it was only at the last minute that she realised she had been negotiating with Ryan Giggs' agent and not Will Grigg's"....,
Is where my money is.
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TelMc32 said:
Or Sue Parkes stepped in to help out and we somehow ended up trying to negotiate with Greggs!!!Macronate said:"Katrien tried everything she could to complete the deal and it was only at the last minute that she realised she had been negotiating with Ryan Giggs' agent and not Will Grigg's"....,
Is where my money is.
Will Greggs?
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I'm not saying any one system is better or worse than any other but 4-4-2 is the most popular system in the footballing world. It's that for a reason. Any team that cannot revert to that system as and when it's required is deficient in either players or coaching.3
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Apart from in almost every top-level team in Europe where a single striker and support players is preferred...ShootersHillGuru said:I'm not saying any one system is better or worse than any other but 4-4-2 is the most popular system in the footballing world. It's that for a reason. Any team that cannot revert to that system as and when it's required is deficient in either players or coaching.
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Most popular in Britain. But I get what you're saying, I just don't know that 4-4-2 is the answer.ShootersHillGuru said:I'm not saying any one system is better or worse than any other but 4-4-2 is the most popular system in the footballing world. It's that for a reason. Any team that cannot revert to that system as and when it's required is deficient in either players or coaching.
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When we won League 1 with Powell we started with BWP and Hayes up front who was then replaced by Yann, what other forwards did we have/use?1
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Given that Brentford are letting dean go to Birmingham, wouldn't be surprised if they didn't invest some of that in Sarr or Konsa or at least try to0
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Benson and Euell to start with. In January we added Clarke and Haynes. Later on we loaned N'Guessan who also spent time playing out wide.iaitch said:When we won League 1 with Powell we started with BWP and Hayes up front who was then replaced by Yann, what other forwards did we have/use?
Lacked depth that time but fortunately we made it to January without any serious injuries up front.0 -
I don't think we did lack depth up front though. Hayes, Kerms and BWP were 3 good forwards with 2 other decent ones as cover. When we lost Benson and then Hayes, we replaced them with Haynes and Clarke. Then had N'Guessan. We never had less than 5 experienced strikers, now we have 2, although 3 would probably do as we are only playing 1 up front.Scoham said:
Benson and Euell to start with. In January we added Clarke and Haynes. Later on we loaned N'Guessan who also spent time playing out wide.iaitch said:When we won League 1 with Powell we started with BWP and Hayes up front who was then replaced by Yann, what other forwards did we have/use?
Lacked depth that time but fortunately we made it to January without any serious injuries up front.0 -
Not in numbers but Euell never looked good enough to start and Benson was very limited. I was thinking Benson left in August but actually he was swapped with Clarke in January.1
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Wouldn't be overly shocked if Josh Wright joins Billericay. Yes I know he's far too good for them, but so is the majority of their squad!2
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Except Kevin Foley of course!Chrissy\\\'s Army!! said:Wouldn't be overly shocked if Josh Wright joins Billericay. Yes I know he's far too good for them, but so is the majority of their squad!
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Euell hadn't played as a striker since the mid 2000s anyway, I never understood why people thought he'd come back and be a goalscorer for us, when he'd been averaging 2 or 3 a season.Scoham said:Not in numbers but Euell never looked good enough to start and Benson was very limited. I was thinking Benson left in August but actually he was swapped with Clarke in January.
That's 3 decent players, and 2 mediocre backups to fill 2 spaces
Currently we have 2 (being generous) decent players plus 1 young striker to fill 1 space, so the ratio isn't much different...1 -
I disagree with that, the depth back then was still better than what we have now. We also had Michael Smith as a decent young forward, albeit not a prolific one.killerandflash said:
Euell hadn't played as a striker since the mid 2000s anyway, I never understood why people thought he'd come back and be a goalscorer for us, when he'd been averaging 2 or 3 a season.Scoham said:Not in numbers but Euell never looked good enough to start and Benson was very limited. I was thinking Benson left in August but actually he was swapped with Clarke in January.
That's 3 decent players, and 2 mediocre backups to fill 2 spaces
Currently we have 2 (being generous) decent players plus 1 young striker to fill 1 space, so the ratio isn't much different...
You talk about Benson and Euell being mediocre, there is currently no proof that Novak is better than that anyway.
We were lucky with injuries and not sure Yann and BWP could be replaced too effectively, but I would still prefer those squad numbers than what we have now.3 -
Cruically, Powell had the emergency loan option which Robinson no longer has after tomorrow.cafcfan1990 said:
I disagree with that, the depth back then was still better than what we have now. We also had Michael Smith as a decent young forward, albeit not a prolific one.killerandflash said:
Euell hadn't played as a striker since the mid 2000s anyway, I never understood why people thought he'd come back and be a goalscorer for us, when he'd been averaging 2 or 3 a season.Scoham said:Not in numbers but Euell never looked good enough to start and Benson was very limited. I was thinking Benson left in August but actually he was swapped with Clarke in January.
That's 3 decent players, and 2 mediocre backups to fill 2 spaces
Currently we have 2 (being generous) decent players plus 1 young striker to fill 1 space, so the ratio isn't much different...
You talk about Benson and Euell being mediocre, there is currently no proof that Novak is better than that anyway.
We were lucky with injuries and not sure Yann and BWP could be replaced too effectively, but I would still prefer those squad numbers than what we have now.16 -
I think your statement proves my point. We are not and nowhere near a top level team.Chrispy51 said:
Apart from in almost every top-level team in Europe where a single striker and support players is preferred...ShootersHillGuru said:I'm not saying any one system is better or worse than any other but 4-4-2 is the most popular system in the footballing world. It's that for a reason. Any team that cannot revert to that system as and when it's required is deficient in either players or coaching.
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