Oldham v Charlton - Post match views - Feb 2017
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The trouble is the regime's plan is going as envisaged. The youngsters are getting thrown in the team & it's sink or swim.MuttleyCAFC said:There is a manager who can change virtually a whole team in a window with around £1m and break points records in this division. A point of fact - not debate. Oh, but Roland sacked him virtually as soon as he bought the club!!!
I think Robinson is a decent manager - but he needs backing and like other managers he hasn't got it. All this learning lessons nonsense - one lesson surely is not to leave your business to the end of a window - if it isn't happening forget plan A and go straight to plan B!!!! Those running the club are totally inept and icompetent - that is why we are protesting and that is why we will continue to protest. Rather than complain about it or try to undermine fans, they simply have to start doing a good job and the protest will die. But we know they are incapable of doing it.
A few have sunk & Gomez & Lookman swam and were sold.
No way would Konsa & Aribo have got into Chris Powell's promotion team, nor would Mavididi & Da Silva.
This is why we'll never have a successful first team under RD, barring miracles.13 -
Danny Hollands, even pre-injury, over Konsa and Aribo? Matt Taylor over Konsa? Hmm.2
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Yes to both. The youngsters have promise and Konsa will be a fantastic player with experience, Aribo too but you can't rely on teenagers to lead your promotion charge. Taylor and Hollands were the right players for the situation - can you imagine Aribo and Konsa grinding out a 0-1 win at Oldham with nine men?Leuth said:Danny Hollands, even pre-injury, over Konsa and Aribo? Matt Taylor over Konsa? Hmm.
I'd have them in the squad every time.18 -
Idon't think it is - a) because player values are less in League One - Lookman was an exception b) because they lose more money so need to make more money and c) because the Valley is a pretty depressing place when empty and that can't be in anybody's vision. I think their negative plan had to be geared around the Championship - but if you don't have ambition, you shouldn't be surprised when you drop.Covered End said:
The trouble is the regime's plan is going as envisaged. The youngsters are getting thrown in the team & it's sink or swim.MuttleyCAFC said:There is a manager who can change virtually a whole team in a window with around £1m and break points records in this division. A point of fact - not debate. Oh, but Roland sacked him virtually as soon as he bought the club!!!
I think Robinson is a decent manager - but he needs backing and like other managers he hasn't got it. All this learning lessons nonsense - one lesson surely is not to leave your business to the end of a window - if it isn't happening forget plan A and go straight to plan B!!!! Those running the club are totally inept and icompetent - that is why we are protesting and that is why we will continue to protest. Rather than complain about it or try to undermine fans, they simply have to start doing a good job and the protest will die. But we know they are incapable of doing it.
A few have sunk & Gomez & Lookman swam and were sold.
No way would Konsa & Aribo have got into Chris Powell's promotion team, nor would Mavididi & Da Silva.
This is why we'll never have a successful first team under RD, barring miracles.
I do agree we will never have a successful team under RD though - that is why I protest.0 -
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100% yes. Proof is in the pudding. The squad they were part of won the league. They are exactly the type of player needed for a 46 game season.Leuth said:Danny Hollands, even pre-injury, over Konsa and Aribo? Matt Taylor over Konsa? Hmm.
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They had goals in that team! Hollands chipped in with some important ones!5
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You are massively underestimating the importance of experience and know how. It's essential at this level.Leuth said:Danny Hollands, even pre-injury, over Konsa and Aribo? Matt Taylor over Konsa? Hmm.
Powell found an excellent balance, something we struggle to achieve under RD where there is an over reliance on youth12 -
League One was his level, but is anybody trying to say Hollands wasn't a great signing! Seriously!15
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if memory serves, he was the first Powell signing ? .. very good at what he didMuttleyCAFC said:League One was his level, but is anybody trying to say Hollands wasn't a great signing! Seriously!
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Can't be asked to write too much up about the game if anyone has been to any of the other games this season it was the same as that. We had most of the possession but done sod all with it going forward. Had a million corners and every time we had had a free header or shot at goal it would be straight at the keeper. Strange team selection by the gobshite but it's becoming more obvious as each game goes on that he has to play a combination of the youngsters and the loan players even if they are not ready to play or if they need a couple of games on the bench.
Gutted more that it was another disappointing game for my boy to see, he says he wants to go to another away game soon but I think the boring crap on the pitch is still going to put him off eventually, Oldham is a real grim place especially walking to and from the tram station to the ground however I absolutely loved the old school ground, the new stand to the left of us was a bit crap but the rest was brilliant and reminded me of the grounds that I used to go to with mt dad with the floodlights and a low roof that would generate some great atmosphere if it was full.
Was going to go Shrewsbury in a few weeks as well but they can stick it, I aint travelling anywhere too far anymore to watch that shit.7 -
See you saturdayNicholas said:Can't be asked to write too much up about the game if anyone has been to any of the other games this season it was the same as that. We had most of the possession but done sod all with it going forward. Had a million corners and every time we had had a free header or shot at goal it would be straight at the keeper. Strange team selection by the gobshite but it's becoming more obvious as each game goes on that he has to play a combination of the youngsters and the loan players even if they are not ready to play or if they need a couple of games on the bench.
Gutted more that it was another disappointing game for my boy to see, he says he wants to go to another away game soon but I think the boring crap on the pitch is still going to put him off eventually, Oldham is a real grim place especially walking to and from the tram station to the ground however I absolutely loved the old school ground, the new stand to the left of us was a bit crap but the rest was brilliant and reminded me of the grounds that I used to go to with mt dad with the floodlights and a low roof that would generate some great atmosphere if it was full.
Was going to go Shrewsbury in a few weeks as well but they can stick it, I aint travelling anywhere too far anymore to watch that shit.7 -
Obviously I'm not. He was a good signing. Konsa and Aribo are gun players thoughMuttleyCAFC said:League One was his level, but is anybody trying to say Hollands wasn't a great signing! Seriously!
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What's a gun player ?1
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Considering we won League One with a record number of points with those players central to our team, and we're in League One right now in 13th place...yep, I really would like those League One winning players. Who the hell wouldn't?Leuth said:Danny Hollands, even pre-injury, over Konsa and Aribo? Matt Taylor over Konsa? Hmm.
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Someone who helps the manager get fired.Covered End said:What's a gun player ?
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Torpedoes away, boom, boomUboat said:
Someone who helps the manager get fired.Covered End said:What's a gun player ?
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Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.35 -
Thanks for posting. Much appreciated!JCartwell said:Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.
Thought Fane was good at The Valley, but he was only sub on Tuesday.0 -
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Not sure who was Chief Scout when SCP had all those experienced L1 players( Phil Chapple, I believe) but whoever it was must have had a huge hand in identifying them....and had presumably trawled the divisions & watched numerous matches to achieve his goal. Team work at its best with success the result.
For the past 3 years we've had Mowgli whose knowledge( if you can call it that) relies on a piece of IT equipment and his ability to stay awake after several mind numbing hours at a time on his pc. No team work required, hence success sidelined.
For me, this is one of the biggest differences in the mindset of the relevant regimes.
Regardless of the failings of the Spivs, they favoured the good "old fashioned" ways of running their business with a decent CEO, scouting system and infrastructure at the club. Add to this, a manager who wasn't forced to resort to blooding the young guns & overplaying them and voila , what do you have ? A record points, L1 topping team and thousands of happy Addicks.
Compare that with RD's stewardship where normality/ tried & tested methods have bitten the dust in favour of quick fixes, a totally inexperienced CEO and an infrastructure as shaky as a house built smack bang on the San Andreas fault. After experimenting with numerous manager, mostly unsuited to English football, a young, ambitious guy is appointed who, sadly is seemingly hypnotised by the President's vision until his eyes are forced open with the closing of a window...
As has been pointed out many, many times, we are a mere experiment , nay, a whim in the weird world of a Belgian billionaire and the squad we have at this moment in time is the result, in line with his lack of interest in a successful team.
So what do we have now ?
No prize for stating it's thousands of unhappy, disillusioned Addicks.
And a distinct lack of the "twelfth man" that has assisted our teams & urged them to victory many times in the past.
Those were the days, my friends....
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Hi Karl!JCartwell said:Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.
Seriously thanks for posting. Interesting.1 -
Spot on FannyFanny Fanackapan said:Not sure who was Chief Scout when SCP had all those experienced L1 players( Phil Chapple, I believe) but whoever it was must have had a huge hand in identifying them....and had presumably trawled the divisions & watched numerous matches to achieve his goal. Team work at its best with success the result.
For the past 3 years we've had Mowgli whose knowledge( if you can call it that) relies on a piece of IT equipment and his ability to stay awake after several mind numbing hours at a time on his pc. No team work required, hence success sidelined.
For me, this is one of the biggest differences in the mindset of the relevant regimes.
Regardless of the failings of the Spivs, they favoured the good "old fashioned" ways of running their business with a decent CEO, scouting system and infrastructure at the club. Add to this, a manager who wasn't forced to resort to blooding the young guns & overplaying them and voila , what do you have ? A record points, L1 topping team and thousands of happy Addicks.
Compare that with RD's stewardship where normality/ tried & tested methods have bitten the dust in favour of quick fixes, a totally inexperienced CEO and an infrastructure as shaky as a house built smack bang on the San Andreas fault. After experimenting with numerous manager, mostly unsuited to English football, a young, ambitious guy is appointed who, sadly is seemingly hypnotised by the President's vision until his eyes are forced open with the closing of a window...
As has been pointed out many, many times, we are a mere experiment , nay, a whim in the weird world of a Belgian billionaire and the squad we have at this moment in time is the result, in line with his lack of interest in a successful team.
So what do we have now ?
No prize for stating it's thousands of unhappy, disillusioned Addicks.
And a distinct lack of the "twelfth man" that has assisted our teams & urged them to victory many times in the past.
Those were the days, my friends....0 -
'Compare that with RD's stewardship where normality/ tried & tested methods have bitten the dust in favour of quick fixes, a totally inexperienced CEO and an infrastructure as shaky as a house built of smack, bang on the San Andreas fault.'
Didn't feel the full shakiness was reflected in the original.0 -
With the exception of our excellent Academy (none of which is down to Duchatelet), the whole edifice, culture and structure of the regime is horrendously and fatally flawed. As Fanny says, the tried and trusted "old fashioned" methods of running a successful club have been well and truly ditched.
If this blithering idiot/megalomaniac doesn't sell up in the summer, I really do fear for us next season, both in terms of the continuing withering of our support and the team's ability to really compete in League 1.1 -
It was nice of the Oldham fan to come here and post his interesting comments. Of course he was judging us on one game but quality wise, I do belive we have more than any other team. And yes the defence is prone to errors from time to time, but statistics show the main issue isn't around how many we concede, but how many we score.0
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No-one likes a spot on FannyEastTerrace said:
Spot on FannyFanny Fanackapan said:Not sure who was Chief Scout when SCP had all those experienced L1 players( Phil Chapple, I believe) but whoever it was must have had a huge hand in identifying them....and had presumably trawled the divisions & watched numerous matches to achieve his goal. Team work at its best with success the result.
For the past 3 years we've had Mowgli whose knowledge( if you can call it that) relies on a piece of IT equipment and his ability to stay awake after several mind numbing hours at a time on his pc. No team work required, hence success sidelined.
For me, this is one of the biggest differences in the mindset of the relevant regimes.
Regardless of the failings of the Spivs, they favoured the good "old fashioned" ways of running their business with a decent CEO, scouting system and infrastructure at the club. Add to this, a manager who wasn't forced to resort to blooding the young guns & overplaying them and voila , what do you have ? A record points, L1 topping team and thousands of happy Addicks.
Compare that with RD's stewardship where normality/ tried & tested methods have bitten the dust in favour of quick fixes, a totally inexperienced CEO and an infrastructure as shaky as a house built smack bang on the San Andreas fault. After experimenting with numerous manager, mostly unsuited to English football, a young, ambitious guy is appointed who, sadly is seemingly hypnotised by the President's vision until his eyes are forced open with the closing of a window...
As has been pointed out many, many times, we are a mere experiment , nay, a whim in the weird world of a Belgian billionaire and the squad we have at this moment in time is the result, in line with his lack of interest in a successful team.
So what do we have now ?
No prize for stating it's thousands of unhappy, disillusioned Addicks.
And a distinct lack of the "twelfth man" that has assisted our teams & urged them to victory many times in the past.
Those were the days, my friends.... 1 -
Thanks for taking the time to post.JCartwell said:Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.
I have lost times times this season when speaking to fans from the other team they have said we are the best team they have played.1 -
this has been the issue for a long time now. especially against teams who hoof the ball up, similar to AFC Wimbledon, we hardly ever seem to win the second ball.JCartwell said:Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.0 -
Always very insightful to get the view of an oppo fan who seems to know what they are talking about - nice one.JCartwell said:Oldham fan here.
You're probably the best technical side I've seen this season. Tbf you battered us for large spells and it was an excellent defensive performance from us that kept you out. But I'd be a bit gutted if I was walking away from last night as a Chalrton fan wondering how you'd lost that. You've got the quality going forward, with lots of pace and power (I thought your number 12 gave our right back all sorts of problems especially in the first half). You probably weren't clinical enough but you got the ball into dangerous areas and kept us busy at the back and you won't come up against too many defences with the tenacity, experience and doggedness of Peter Clarke and Anthony Gerrard and a goalkeeper of the quality of Conor Ripley who'll be in Middlesbrough's first team in no time, between them 3 they're probably the reason we're not bottom.
I'd say it's defensively where you looked the most vulnerable. We're not a great side attacking wise but we had good success against your defence especially with the long hoofs upfield and picking up the second balls. It was poor defending which probably made us look like we were in the game more than we should have been because we didn't get a sniff in midfield or anywhere else, the only parts of the field where we had success and looked in control was in your final third.
I'd say if you tighten up at the back, you'll be a real force next season.
All the best.
A number of fans have said we're the best side they've played this season - Bradford were another - but we just can't seem to turn that into wins. All in all, very frustrating0
