Oldham v Charlton - Post match views - Feb 2017
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I'd be happy for Fagin to join us and us be a less than honest bunch of lads who score goals, just two would do!WestCountryAddick said:Well Robinson was stating the obvious there, we don't score enough goals. I'm sure he is right about them being an honest bunch, but that doesn't really help our predicament. We've played 30 games this season, which is more than enough to make a proper assessment, and ultimately it appears that the squad just isn't good enough to be a top six side.
I thought the team selection with Watt and Holmes on the bench. I know we have a lot of games coming up and there will need to be a degree of squad rotation, but lets start by getting some points on the board and develop a momentum, instead we now have 2 points from 9.
My recollection is that we had a similar run with Slade where Nugent said we just need to convert the draws into wins, promptly started to lose and here we are same situation different manager1 -
Maybe it seems a bit odd but I think it's just people who have fallen out of love with something they've cared about for many years wanting to talk about it. It might look like a glib comment but people feel a bit lost at the moment. I genuinely did forget we were playing last night. Once I remembered (via people yelling about the Barce/PSG match which I also forgot about) I followed the match thread but there was a time when I would have been buzzing all day ahead of the match, even when when we were crap. That's what this place is for really; it's not just discussing line-ups and results, it's discussing how you actually feel about the club, and there's nothing scarier than that feeling when you're just not bothered anymore. It's much worse than just being angryse9addick said:
We always see comments like this shortly after the final whistle of every match we lose (or draw).twiggyaddick said:We played tonight???? Thanks to roland I couldnt give much of a toss
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KR he's just a hairier Russell Slade!3
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Regardless of the recent results, I cannot help but feel KR is sincere in his endevours to make Charlton Athletic FC successful again and to restore the fans' pride in the team.
However, I also cannot help feeling that Duchatelet sees him as a "Head Coach" and not a "Manager" with the benefit of all the decision making responsibilities which go with the latter position.
I still feel Duchatelet is heavily influencing team selection and is as keen as ever to showcase the youngsters to achieve a healthy return for himself at the earliest opportunity.
KR's suggestion to the players to tell him what they think is wrong smacks of desparation and almost a cry for help as he may not feel he can influence enough to change things. It feels all too familiar again after watching previous "managers" struggle and fail to run CAFC as a football club without the support of the owner.
I do not see KR walking out of the job. Why should he turn his back on a rightful pay off when Duchatelet, true to his nature, sacks him within his contract term and lays the blame on "the manager" yet again for the failure?
When the inevitable happens, I just pray we do not hear again from our arrogant and incompetent CEO that his appointment was the right decision and that our rankings improved.
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We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham18
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Leuth please come to Rochdale - we're not particularly dominating or playing well. The last 3 games have been poor.11
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That's it Leuth. After all of the games this season Charlton are just unlucky. The win against Bolton wasn't lucky, it was a team with ten man outpassing, outfighting and outmanoeuvring Bolton Wanderers... of division three.Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
The league table doesn't lie. Robinson's results do not lie. The results over the last three games do not lie. Apparently we should have had nine points out of games we garnered just two.
Come on now. Even Reams on the other site has had enough now of the management, board and the players. No excuses any longer. We're stuck here. Going backwards.
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I agree. I'd be more worried, though, if we hadn't spent some of the Lookman money in January so that we weren't reliant mainly on kids. Oh, hang on...Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
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It's my 30th on Friday. The odds of me making it to Rochdale the next day are...slim. If I sold it to my girlfriend as part of the celebrations, I guess...0
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You did well sir.1StevieG said:Got halfway through listening to that garbage before giving up.
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Interesting to see Botaka getting MOTM marks on the 'Players Mark' thread. Another loan player of course, but I like him.0
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Chin up, I'm sure we'll pick up a couple of pieces of silverware in the next 16. Most successful your in our history, praise RD!Ianaddick62 said:Crofts said a couple of weeks ago we have 18 cup finals I must say the first 2 have been very impressive!
I wonder how many confused Charlton fans will be waiting outside Wembley for Rochdale away on Saturday?0 -
Increasing the number of strikers you have on the pitch does not necessarily mean more goals.Showmetheway2gohome said:Don't like this 1 up front. Think if we look back we actually scored more goals under slade.
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I agree about the Oldham home match, and about the fact that we are improving, and that we have been a bit unlucky.Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
But we still look 'fragile' as a team, partly because we have a young slightly inexperienced team, who lack physical strength, and partly because we lack a little bit of quality that can make a difference (Lookman, Kermorgant etc).
Why? Because we are being used as an experiment in running a club cheaply.2 -
Just seen the line-up from last night. Does no-one else think that Roland (and Driesen?) is still picking the teams?
It's the same pattern every "manager" we've had. Like a kid playing Football Manager. We certainly are just a toy. People try and work it out/excuse it by saying injuries/tactics/rested etc etc but it's so familiar of the last three years regardless of manager.7 -
I go and follow your advice, and now I'll be walking funny for a week, to say nothing of the strange looks that I'm getting in the office....Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
For what it's worth, I think Magennis is great, but he is not someone that I would willingly play all by himself up front. He has never been wildly prolific (but does score important goals) and either needs very rapid attacking support from midfield, or another striker playing off him - neither of which have been conspicuous in this year's team.1 -
Stupid me, I thought this was just another in string of poor results. Not a stand out on its own pile of shit ! Great we have come from being shit and drawing with Oldham to being as good as Oldham and losing to them, that's moving forward. Thanks for your positive slant. Roland & Karl need people like you to buy the 1800 season tickets they will sell next year.Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
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Assuming Sheff U go up this year, it will have taken them 6 years to escape. There's no sign that we are likely to do any better than that at this stage.
There's been a lot of hope about the play offs, but that only gives us a 1 in 4 chance of escaping this division. We need to be aiming at top two and having the play offs as a fallback if something goes wrong. I wouldn't like to put money on which year we next play in a different division. And yes, the wrong way to exit this division whilst not that likely is possible.6 -
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We will come good.
In the words of Messiah Slade, 'Just be patient'.0 -
Do me a favour. What about all the other games, the pony football, the late losses, someone needs to get a grip all right!Leuth said:We lose an away game we dominated thanks to poor finishing, great goalkeeping and a referee howler and this site becomes a competition to write the angriest, most righteously indignant post. May I suggest everyone gets a grip? Poor signings, a bad squad, only heading one way...the main culprit for our missed chances - Magennis - is widely acknowledged as extremely good for this level and a fantastic signing. He's rusty after injury. He'll be back to what we know he can do soon. We have no divine right to win games even in League One - all we can ask for with our superior resources is to put out a team that can outplay the opposition. We're doing that regularly now - but not putting away the chances. When it clicks I can see us winning quite a few in a row. I'd be far more worried if we played like absolute shit and drew - which we did in the home fixture against Oldham
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I would like Leuth to buy me a pint, you know the same brew that he has been drinking. Blimey it mus be good.0
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There is a manager who can change virtually a whole team in a window with around £1m and break points records in this division. A point of fact - not debate. Oh, but Roland sacked him virtually as soon as he bought the club!!!
I think Robinson is a decent manager - but he needs backing and like other managers he hasn't got it. All this learning lessons nonsense - one lesson surely is not to leave your business to the end of a window - if it isn't happening forget plan A and go straight to plan B!!!! Those running the club are totally inept and icompetent - that is why we are protesting and that is why we will continue to protest. Rather than complain about it or try to undermine fans, they simply have to start doing a good job and the protest will die. But we know they are incapable of doing it.5 -
Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him0 -
He's got MoM from half of those rating the team on the Players' Marks thread, and I'm assuming they were actually at the match.CAFCBourne said:Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him
Bit early to be getting rid?0 -
I cannot understand for the life of me how Botaka got m o m .. It's all a matter of opinion I know .. he runs into crowded areas never finding space and you always know he's going to lose the ball by being too fucking flash and greedy .. shooting ? .. couldn't hit a barn door from 3 feet ... he's an amusing watch though ..JamesSeed said:
He's got MoM from half of those rating the team on the Players' Marks thread, and I'm assuming they were actually at the match.CAFCBourne said:Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him
Bit early to be getting rid?
also some are criticising Bauer for inefficiency in the air ! .. he won the vast majority of his airborne duels and had to cover all the time for Konsa who is good on the ground (should be in midfield or at right back) but is forever outmuscled and outjumped in the air .. and this happens ALL the time in almost every game I have seen him play at central defender4 -
Bauer is a player who has a leap on him. I think he's very good for his age, so will be sellable in a year or two, unfortunately.Lincsaddick said:
I cannot understand for the life of me how Botaka got m o m .. It's all a matter of opinion I know .. he runs into crowded areas never finding space and you always know he's going to lose the ball by being too fucking flash and greedy .. shooting ? .. couldn't hit a barn door from 3 feet ... he's an amusing watch though ..JamesSeed said:
He's got MoM from half of those rating the team on the Players' Marks thread, and I'm assuming they were actually at the match.CAFCBourne said:Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him
Bit early to be getting rid?
also some are criticising Bauer for inefficiency in the air ! .. he won the vast majority of his airborne duels and had to cover all the time for Konsa who is good on the ground (should be in midfield or at right back) but is forever outmuscled and outjumped in the air .. and this happens ALL the time in almost every game I have seen him play at central defender
Botaka I enjoy watching, but his tricks might get wearing if they don't lead to anything I suppose. But give him a couple more full games, and if he hasn't started getting goals or assists then fair enough, stick him back on the bench.
Were you at the Oldham match, or did you watch the stream?0 -
I was suffering at Oldham .. would you believe some diehards stayed on to applaud our players after that performance .. but ignore me, I am still in a rage over a gutless and shallow turn out by our 'team'JamesSeed said:
Bauer is a player who has a leap on him. I think he's very good for his age, so will be sellable in a year or two, unfortunately.Lincsaddick said:
I cannot understand for the life of me how Botaka got m o m .. It's all a matter of opinion I know .. he runs into crowded areas never finding space and you always know he's going to lose the ball by being too fucking flash and greedy .. shooting ? .. couldn't hit a barn door from 3 feet ... he's an amusing watch though ..JamesSeed said:
He's got MoM from half of those rating the team on the Players' Marks thread, and I'm assuming they were actually at the match.CAFCBourne said:Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him
Bit early to be getting rid?
also some are criticising Bauer for inefficiency in the air ! .. he won the vast majority of his airborne duels and had to cover all the time for Konsa who is good on the ground (should be in midfield or at right back) but is forever outmuscled and outjumped in the air .. and this happens ALL the time in almost every game I have seen him play at central defender
Botaka I enjoy watching, but his tricks might get wearing if they don't lead to anything I suppose. But give him a couple more full games, and if he hasn't started getting goals or assists then fair enough, stick him back on the bench.
Were you at the Oldham match, or did you watch the stream?1 -
Ridiculously, I still feel sorry for Novak for missing one and a half goals at Wimbledon/Merton.Lincsaddick said:
I was suffering at Oldham .. would you believe some diehards stayed on to applaud our players after that performance .. but ignore me, I am still in a rage over a gutless and shallow turn out by our 'team'JamesSeed said:
Bauer is a player who has a leap on him. I think he's very good for his age, so will be sellable in a year or two, unfortunately.Lincsaddick said:
I cannot understand for the life of me how Botaka got m o m .. It's all a matter of opinion I know .. he runs into crowded areas never finding space and you always know he's going to lose the ball by being too fucking flash and greedy .. shooting ? .. couldn't hit a barn door from 3 feet ... he's an amusing watch though ..JamesSeed said:
He's got MoM from half of those rating the team on the Players' Marks thread, and I'm assuming they were actually at the match.CAFCBourne said:Big Josh messed up, as did Novak Saturday at the end of the day if you can't even hit the target from 12 yards out your going nowhere.
Even Botaka gets in a great position to hit it and does a f**king step over get rid of him
Bit early to be getting rid?
also some are criticising Bauer for inefficiency in the air ! .. he won the vast majority of his airborne duels and had to cover all the time for Konsa who is good on the ground (should be in midfield or at right back) but is forever outmuscled and outjumped in the air .. and this happens ALL the time in almost every game I have seen him play at central defender
Botaka I enjoy watching, but his tricks might get wearing if they don't lead to anything I suppose. But give him a couple more full games, and if he hasn't started getting goals or assists then fair enough, stick him back on the bench.
Were you at the Oldham match, or did you watch the stream?
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