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  • C4FC4L1f3 said:

    But that's not what DAVO has said (who is a member of CARD)

    The point really is how can we gauge what the fan base want when they don't have a platform to raise it.

    I don't presume to know what the majority of the fan base want - but we are certainly not unified - we are split down the middle on the season ticket front.

    more needs to be done to work together.
    He hasn't said that on this thread. Here are a few things he has said though.

    "And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"

    "And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."

    "All options under continuous evaluation"

    The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
  • He hasn't said that on this thread. Here are a few things he has said though.

    "And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"

    "And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."

    "All options under continuous evaluation"

    The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
    Ok Fair enough there obviously isn't an issue I guess, lets see how the season goes then I guess.
  • Not sure mate, for certain, I have never been contacted re anything CARD related (probably don't want me as they clearly see me as a bit of a renegade , lol), though as Neil points out, some of the Belgian20 are CARD members (apparently). None of us have any anti-CARD stance , just opinions that things might have been done differently - its not an Anti-CARD stance.
    With regard to publishing the Belgian trip, we (for obvious reasons) didn't explicitly publish our plans (some of the plans only formulated on the day !) - but we did, on several occasions, both cryptically and openly , advertise on CL for people to come and join us in out Belgian protest, without giving the game away. Many people expressed an interest , and many people dropped out at last minute, but we knew that would happen. So, yes, we did publish our (very) rough plans.
    So very much the same as CARD then Pres? They let us know via social media that something is afoot, but keep the details close to their chest (like you - for obvious reasons). There's no reason why they would approach you, me or the lady from the Shake n Vac advert, as I see it, anyone who wishes to be involved can be. All working together towards a common aim.
  • I can only comment on the numerous times I have handed out leaflets, beach balls, stress balls etc with various different people on each occasion and everyone has been very polite to those they are handing stuff out to. I have had many fans who are not anti regime stop to engage in dialogue and at the end we have agreed to disagree and parted amically. However, I have also had quite a few tell me to 'fuck off', 'stick it up my arse', 'shove it you fat c--t' etc etc. Any animosity has come from those who are not anti regime whilst CARD supporters have been very respectful to everyone.

    That's my experience as well.
  • Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
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    Brilliant idea Brendan, ask the shop to sell Charlton cosmetics. :-)
  • Only problem with that is they'd get distracted and start doing their make up and chatting about shoes and bags etc.
    .........*Sits back and waits for @Curb_It to respond*....................... ;)
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  • Davo55 said:

    1. We are not elected. We get off our arses to try to make a difference, spending a lot of time and in many cases quite a bit of personal money too.

    2. All of the freebies donated went to fans who wanted/needed a ticket. CARD organisers who went to the game bought there own tickets.

    3. I don't know how many tickets were redistributed. I guess one of the team could go through all the emails and tot it up, then try to find out how many were brought on the day that we didn't get an email about, but I don't see why they should - we've all got other things in our lives too.
    Fully prepared to be corrected if wrong here, but doesn't this go against what CARD stand for? Buying match day tickets and giving the club money is the exact opposite of what they want isn't it? Seems bizarre that they stand outside the club shop telling people not to spend money but they've done exactly that in buying a match ticket.

    Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
  • Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.

    Not sure it would make any difference TBH. I've had people being aggressive in their comments to me when handing out leaflets. I'm probably the same age as Fanny and I'm certain I don't come across as confrontational. I think some people are just arsey and they'll do it to whoever is there.
  • How about: "Go away, and leave me alone..."

    Or does "Free speech" only go one way?
    East-stand-loopy.........there appears to have been a mix up here my comments were directed at Granpa and not you.
  • edited August 2016
    Off_it said:

    Keep up the good work Davo55

    but make sure you keep back some of the protest funds for after they leave. I want a massive party. as big as a rich American kids sweet sixteen mixed with a Sheffield club finishing second. yeah, that massive.

    starting at the train museum before an old 1950s tram takes us down to the valley to continue the celebrations with flasks of bovil, sandwiches and beer. (preferably not Belgium beer but I don't mind)
    I hope no one is lactose intolerant. because that night will be legenDAIRY!
  • but make sure you keep back some of the protest funds for after they leave. I want a massive party. as big as a rich American kids sweet sixteen mixed with a Sheffield club finishing second. yeah, that massive.

    starting at the train museum before an old 1950s tram takes us down to the valley to continue the celebrations with flasks of bovil, sandwiches and beer. (preferably not Belgium beer but I don't mind)
    I hope no one is lactose intolerant. because that night will be legenDAIRY!
    Oh Yes. Gonna be some party when these clueless fuckwits decide to sell up.
  • Davo55 said:

    I honestly don't think so mate. CARD hasn't called for a boycott of games. CARD organisers and volunteers are all fans, some are boycotting, others can't envisaging going to at least some games. I'm in the latter group. Gave up my ST of 20 odd years, buying tickets to maybe 60% of home matches, spending less than I would have spent on my ST. Everyone will have their own position.

    When we call for a commercial boycott or something like the picket last Saturday, it's to make a point to the regime, hit them a bit in their pocket but as importantly just to give them a pain in the arse and put strain on their relationships with suppliers/franchise holders. That kind of protest can operate separately from a match boycott.
    But Davo the picket on Saturday backfired a bit Grandpa has come on here and has had the shit kicked out of him a couple of others not happy what we know of.
    Let's not put off our own from buying,picket those in the shop working there have a word with them about not going in to work.
    Someone mentioned Grandpa should remember the unions let's picket then and stop people going to work in the valley.
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  • Have a word with them about not going to work??

    It's their livelihood and they probably don't earn very much anyway.
    I'd rather someone got a little bit miffed outside the shop than one of our own lose their job.
  • I don't know if that was aimed at me but if it was I can confirm that I have been to The Valley quite a few times.
    I've never seen you there!

    Except the times you lent me your dads ticket, but apart from then!

    Ps when are we having that drink
  • clb74 said:

    But Davo the picket on Saturday backfired a bit Grandpa has come on here and has had the shit kicked out of him a couple of others not happy what we know of.
    Let's not put off our own from buying,picket those in the shop working there have a word with them about not going in to work.
    Someone mentioned Grandpa should remember the unions let's picket then and stop people going to work in the valley.
    Fair opinion. I personally thought it was very tame and can't really understand anyone being intimidated or angered by it. But CARD certainly doesn't get everything right. It isn't the first time and it won't be the last, but we do try hard to pursue protests while respecting the disparate views of fans.
  • Have a word with them about not going to work??

    It's their livelihood and they probably don't earn very much anyway.
    I'd rather someone got a little bit miffed outside the shop than one of our own lose their job.

    Baldy we are on a picket don't let them break the line.
  • As long as there are threads like this on Charlton Life the regime will be laughing their heads off. Divide and rule!

    Yes I bought a ST no I don't support the regime, yes I believe from experience that some protestors are abusive, but they are in the minority, are there loads of regime supporters no, are there a lot of apathetic anti regimes, are there people that have not got involved because of negative experiences, are there some who have got involved because there experience is positive.

    Like any group we are a mish mash of people personalities and ideas on how to go about things, but one thing for sure is that this mindless calling out only helps the regime.
  • Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.

    I like Fanny as well
  • Told or asked?
    Does it matter . No doubt RH had his boy with him as well. No right to say or do it.
  • Redrobo said:

    I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.

    You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.

    The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.

    Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
    So you're blaming the victim? That's class.
  • Exactly as I said to him he needs to grow up, one of the most ridiculous, immature posts I have ever read on here.
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