Does it matter . No doubt RH had his boy with him as well. No right to say or do it.
Yes, it matters. A protester has every right to ask someone not to buy from the shop and no right to tell them not to.
Picketing a club shop and asking fans not to buy from the club shop is pathetic. Is there no end to your sad miserable life's going up to men with kids and pregnant women.
Does it matter . No doubt RH had his boy with him as well. No right to say or do it.
Yes, it matters. A protester has every right to ask someone not to buy from the shop and no right to tell them not to.
Picketing a club shop and asking fans not to buy from the club shop is pathetic. Is there no end to your sad miserable life's going up to men with kids and pregnant women.
That's your (predictable) opinion, but earlier you said they didn't have the right. They do. Incidentally, just how many pregnant women were threatened on the day?
Does it matter . No doubt RH had his boy with him as well. No right to say or do it.
Yes, it matters. A protester has every right to ask someone not to buy from the shop and no right to tell them not to.
Picketing a club shop and asking fans not to buy from the club shop is pathetic. Is there no end to your sad miserable life's going up to men with kids and pregnant women.
You really should drop the "when" and "was" from from your username.
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
Does it matter . No doubt RH had his boy with him as well. No right to say or do it.
Yes, it matters. A protester has every right to ask someone not to buy from the shop and no right to tell them not to.
Picketing a club shop and asking fans not to buy from the club shop is pathetic. Is there no end to your sad miserable life's going up to men with kids and pregnant women.
That's your (predictable) opinion, but earlier you said they didn't have the right. They do. Incidentally, just how many pregnant women were threatened on the day?
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
A lot of those picketing were women and children. Were you there?
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
A lot of those picketing were women and children. Were you there?
No but my mate walked past them and was told not to buy anything. A picket line is also if you are part of a union or socialist group against an employer. So what are you an employee or a socialist in which then is boardering on left wing anarchy in which one of the voices of CARD has left wing views therefore for that person to bring their own political agenda as a protest is even worse.
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
A lot of those picketing were women and children. Were you there?
No but my mate walked past them and was told not to buy anything. A picket line is also if you are part of a union or socialist group against an employer. So what are you an employee or a socialist in which then is boardering on left wing anarchy in which one of the voices of CARD has left wing views therefore for that person to bring their own political agenda as a protest is even worse.
I honestly cannot believe my eyes.
Are you serious with this post? Or just severely under educated?
Picketing is a form of protest in which people (called picketers) congregate outside a place of work or location where an event is taking place. Often, this is done in an attempt to dissuade others from going in ("crossing the picket line"), but it can also be done to draw public attention to a cause. Picketers normally endeavor to be non-violent. It can have a number of aims, but is generally to put pressure on the party targeted to meet particular demands and/or cease operations. This pressure is achieved by harming the business through loss of customers and negative publicity, or by discouraging or preventing workers and/or customers from entering the site and thereby preventing the business from operating normally.
Historically, picketing was banned by a Liberal government in the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1871 but then decriminalised by a Conservative government with the Conspiracy and Protection of Property Act 1875.
Damn those nasty left wing socialist Conservatives.
So Unions don't have picket lines ? Unions attend which parties conferences?
Picketing is a common tactic used by trade unions during strikes, who will try to prevent dissident members of the union, members of other unions and non-unionised workers from working. Those who cross the picket line and work despite the strike are known pejoratively as scabs.(Coincidently some bright spark on here who was all for CARD called me and my son a Scab for renewing season tickets).
A mass picket is an attempt to bring as many people as possible to a picket line to demonstrate support for the cause. It is primarily used when only one workplace is being picketed or for a symbolically or practically important workplace. Due to the numbers involved, a mass picket may turn into a potentially unlawful blockade.
Secondary picketing people picketing locations that directly connected to the issue of protest. That would include component suppliers on which the picketed business relies, retail stores that sell products by the company against which is being picketed, and the private homes of the company's management. In many jurisdictions, secondary pickets do not have the same civil law protection as primary pickets.
Clearly what you are missing here is that it is a football ground and team. No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere.
Just for the record I am well educated and if I was you I would take them blinkers off as it is becoming embarrassing with opening statements such as that.
I'm not happy with what CARD has done so far . We needed to be out of our blocks as quickly as possible to show RD and KM that we are not giving up - and needed to re-double our efforts to show that we are not going away. This has failed - and we need alternative. more astute and agile methods this season ie......now.
You're entitled to your opinion. CARD considers all the angles and makes it's decisions for right or wrong. If we had announced a major protest in the ground versus Northampton and it failed spectacularly, that would be worse in my opinion. We think about what blows to land and when to land them for best effect.
Nothing's failed yet. This is a long game.
Davo what are CARD scared of though call for a boycott on one of the games even if 6000 go in CARD know where they stand if 4000 go in CARD have a result
I don't think it needs organising or could be effectively, but it's happening anyway. Wait for tomorrow!
6000 season tickets 2000 advance sales/pay on day 500 Shrewsbury
Advertised gate of 8500
They can declare any crowd they like. I'm sure there will be more comps issued and counted regardless. The shortfall of people in the stadium will be apparent and if it's too big a discrepancy it will become another media story.
In any case, an official crowd of 8,500 in the league (it may well be more) is a disaster set against the last 20 years.
As for boycotts, none of the ST number, the comps or the away figure are likely to be affected by one. It could only impact on the small proportion buying match tickets, which as above make relatively little difference to the official gate.
Is it really likely that people who have bought an ST in these circumstances are going to stay away because someone else tells them to do so, rather than because they aren't able or can't be bothered to go to a particular game, which already happens.
Of course unions use picket limes, they are a great form of protest, that doesn't mean that everyone that joins a picket is some socialist lefty, as you stated.
Nor does it mean the organizers are left wing anarchists using CARD to extend their own political agenda.
Your statement of "No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere. " is totally wrong, clearly people do have the right the form legal protests, it is 100% their right to do so, without threats of violence or being told to 'fuck off'.
If KM and RD read this thread they will be laughing their socks off. Surely we all have one goal and that's to get new owners. Arguing amongst ourselves is is a sure way for that not to happen. It feels , compared to 3 months ago , that there are big fractures occurring in the fan base and that cannot be good.
I take what you're saying.
I feel a lot of the thousands not attending this season are the protesters so that will leave a lot of people at The Valley who were not interested in protesting but mindful of our problems.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
So you're blaming the victim? That's class.
Victim? Come on, get real.
Perhaps not victim, but saying she should be more tactful and basically it was her own fault for basically walking through protestors when she should not put herself and baby at risk, is pretty crappy. Why shouldn't a pregnant woman go to a football match? Why should she need to feel scared walking into the club shop?
Also said that the protestors were meant to be intimidating and that was the point, well I'm sorry but I've never protested to intimidate anyone and if that is really the aim then I'd rather not be part of it, of course I think that this particular poster @Redrobo is just immature and irresponsible in what he posts and I doubt the rest of the protestors want to intimidate pregnant women.
I only mentioned it in the first place because although I am in the side of the protestors I feel some do get a bit too aggressive and abusive to other fans and these give the others a bad name, I know CARD promote peaceful protests but I do feel that a lot of people that get involved are in it for the trouble aspect and want to cause it. i want to win this war against douchebag but I want to do it without hurting or distressing any fan that has the God given right not to protest.
CARD My struggle this season, the approach isn't working as they need numbers. they also need to listen more to the fan base that they are supposed to represent.
What happened to events like the Woolwich meeting? have one of these every month where people can turn up and voice there opinions.
You do talk some shit. The Woolwich meeting was organised by CAS Trust. They represent fans. CARD doesn't represent the fan base; it acts as a focal point (but not the only one) for fans protests.
That will be news to many people.
That may be the case, I still want to know what is it that you think the fan base are saying that they are not listening to?
I already explained what I meant to you.
Sorry, missed it. It does not answer my question, your original statement was quite specific in intimating that there is a particular route that the fan base wish to go down that is being ignored. CARD are the fans, as already stated they are open to any idea or suggestion, there's no closed shop, anyone can join in.
But that's not what DAVO has said (who is a member of CARD)
The point really is how can we gauge what the fan base want when they don't have a platform to raise it.
I don't presume to know what the majority of the fan base want - but we are certainly not unified - we are split down the middle on the season ticket front.
more needs to be done to work together.
He hasn't said that on this thread. Here are a few things he has said though.
"And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"
"And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."
"All options under continuous evaluation"
The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
Ok Fair enough there obviously isn't an issue I guess, lets see how the season goes then I guess.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
So you're blaming the victim? That's class.
Victim? Come on, get real.
Perhaps not victim, but saying she should be more tactful and basically it was her own fault for basically walking through protestors when she should not put herself and baby at risk, is pretty crappy. Why shouldn't a pregnant woman go to a football match? Why should she need to feel scared walking into the club shop?
Also said that the protestors were meant to be intimidating and that was the point, well I'm sorry but I've never protested to intimidate anyone and if that is really the aim then I'd rather not be part of it, of course I think that this particular poster @Redrobo is just immature and irresponsible in what he posts and I doubt the rest of the protestors want to intimidate pregnant women.
I only mentioned it in the first place because although I am in the side of the protestors I feel some do get a bit too aggressive and abusive to other fans and these give the others a bad name, I know CARD promote peaceful protests but I do feel that a lot of people that get involved are in it for the trouble aspect and want to cause it. i want to win this war against douchebag but I want to do it without hurting or distressing any fan that has the God given right not to protest.
The "tactful" comment reflected the original posters comments that the protesters should be more tactful and was made to make the point that all should be respecting each other. Sorry you misunderstood.
I did not, nor would I ever suggest that women, pregnant or not, should not attend a football match.
At no point did I say that she needed to be scared walking into the shop.
I did not say that protesters were meant to be intimidating. I said that picket lines by there very nature were.
You say that some protesters can be a bit too aggressive and abusive. A bit like you are being to me then?
So Unions don't have picket lines ? Unions attend which parties conferences?
Picketing is a common tactic used by trade unions during strikes, who will try to prevent dissident members of the union, members of other unions and non-unionised workers from working. Those who cross the picket line and work despite the strike are known pejoratively as scabs.(Coincidently some bright spark on here who was all for CARD called me and my son a Scab for renewing season tickets).
A mass picket is an attempt to bring as many people as possible to a picket line to demonstrate support for the cause. It is primarily used when only one workplace is being picketed or for a symbolically or practically important workplace. Due to the numbers involved, a mass picket may turn into a potentially unlawful blockade.
Secondary picketing people picketing locations that directly connected to the issue of protest. That would include component suppliers on which the picketed business relies, retail stores that sell products by the company against which is being picketed, and the private homes of the company's management. In many jurisdictions, secondary pickets do not have the same civil law protection as primary pickets.
Clearly what you are missing here is that it is a football ground and team. No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere.
Just for the record I am well educated and if I was you I would take them blinkers off as it is becoming embarrassing with opening statements such as that.
Utter nonsense. It's a free society, except for a few particular things (mainly around soliciting others to commit crimes, tricking them, or leading them into situations that could be harmful) you can tell others to do whatever you like. The other side of the coin though is that whoever you tell is absolutely at liberty to refuse or not to even listen in the first place. I think you'll be ok on that front, so there's no need for the hackles to rise. No need in the slightest to get aggy, just politely explain that you're not convinced by what they say and that you'd prefer to do things your own way. Keep it polite and reasonable and there's no need for and confrontation.
Except, that you have to wonder why it is that there is this layer of people who always feel so aggrieved when someone asks them to do or not do do something. The best explanation I have is that it's down to cognitive dissonance. They know that what they are doing goes against the wishes of others. They know that they are going to do what they personally wanted anyway, but they don't want to make themselves look the bad guys. Solution: they have to demonise those making the request. If the requesters (demonstrators) are made to look bad somehow, then they can ignore the wishes and interests of those about them without any need to take responsibility. It's a brilliant plan except that it tends to lead to confrontation, but that's OK because they can convince themselves that it was all the nasty man's fault for having the cheek to ask something of them.
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
A lot of those picketing were women and children. Were you there?
No but my mate walked past them and was told not to buy anything. A picket line is also if you are part of a union or socialist group against an employer. So what are you an employee or a socialist in which then is boardering on left wing anarchy in which one of the voices of CARD has left wing views therefore for that person to bring their own political agenda as a protest is even worse.
Name them and shame them then, although I suspect your idea of "left-wing views" is a bit widely drawn.
So Unions don't have picket lines ? Unions attend which parties conferences?
Picketing is a common tactic used by trade unions during strikes, who will try to prevent dissident members of the union, members of other unions and non-unionised workers from working. Those who cross the picket line and work despite the strike are known pejoratively as scabs.(Coincidently some bright spark on here who was all for CARD called me and my son a Scab for renewing season tickets).
A mass picket is an attempt to bring as many people as possible to a picket line to demonstrate support for the cause. It is primarily used when only one workplace is being picketed or for a symbolically or practically important workplace. Due to the numbers involved, a mass picket may turn into a potentially unlawful blockade.
Secondary picketing people picketing locations that directly connected to the issue of protest. That would include component suppliers on which the picketed business relies, retail stores that sell products by the company against which is being picketed, and the private homes of the company's management. In many jurisdictions, secondary pickets do not have the same civil law protection as primary pickets.
Clearly what you are missing here is that it is a football ground and team. No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere.
Just for the record I am well educated and if I was you I would take them blinkers off as it is becoming embarrassing with opening statements such as that.
As if anybody was at risk! Mild mannered protest upsets someone cause they are spoken to about something they don't agree with. Nobody's gonna kill a fucking baby. Jesus wept
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
Pehaps in future she could be a bit more tactful?
So you're blaming the victim? That's class.
Victim? Come on, get real.
Perhaps not victim, but saying she should be more tactful and basically it was her own fault for basically walking through protestors when she should not put herself and baby at risk, is pretty crappy. Why shouldn't a pregnant woman go to a football match? Why should she need to feel scared walking into the club shop?
Also said that the protestors were meant to be intimidating and that was the point, well I'm sorry but I've never protested to intimidate anyone and if that is really the aim then I'd rather not be part of it, of course I think that this particular poster @Redrobo is just immature and irresponsible in what he posts and I doubt the rest of the protestors want to intimidate pregnant women.
I only mentioned it in the first place because although I am in the side of the protestors I feel some do get a bit too aggressive and abusive to other fans and these give the others a bad name, I know CARD promote peaceful protests but I do feel that a lot of people that get involved are in it for the trouble aspect and want to cause it. i want to win this war against douchebag but I want to do it without hurting or distressing any fan that has the God given right not to protest.
The "tactful" comment reflected the original posters comments that the protesters should be more tactful and was made to make the point that all should be respecting each other. Sorry you misunderstood.
I did not, nor would I ever suggest that women, pregnant or not, should not attend a football match.
At no point did I say that she needed to be scared walking into the shop.
I did not say that protesters were meant to be intimidating. I said that picket lines by there very nature were.
You say that some protesters can be a bit too aggressive and abusive. A bit like you are being to me then?
That was not my intention but what you said really peed me off, I attended all matches home and away whilst pregnant with my first right up until she was born, I done so because Charlton is a family friendly club and I felt safe and comfortable to do so, I feel bad that someone else hasn't been given the same sense of security.
Yes protestors should be more tactful and mindful of other fans, particularly more vulnerable ones such as pregnant, elderly or disabled. Some fans also have special educational needs to, they are being taken to a football match they wouldn't necessarily understand the meanings behind the reason why people are so angry they will just see angry people, must be scary for them, I would love to take my son to a match one day as he would enjoy the clapping and singing as but it's much too hostile at the moment.
Cyber warriors are out in force. In terms of how many pregnant were threatened read back and you will see there was one and that's one to many regardless if the lady is pregnant. Men going in with their children and grandchildren. No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
A lot of those picketing were women and children. Were you there?
No but my mate walked past them and was told not to buy anything. A picket line is also if you are part of a union or socialist group against an employer. So what are you an employee or a socialist in which then is boardering on left wing anarchy in which one of the voices of CARD has left wing views therefore for that person to bring their own political agenda as a protest is even worse.
Name them and shame them then, although I suspect your idea of "left-wing views" is a bit widely drawn.
So Unions don't have picket lines ? Unions attend which parties conferences?
Union members also wear shoes, it doesn't mean that shoes are some sort of leftist conspiracy. Similarly, picketing isn't a socialist tool of the devil in all circumstances.
Clearly what you are missing here is that it is a football ground and team. No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere.
Literally everyone in this country has that right. For example, "WhenIwasLittleBoy, don't go to Sports Direct, their employment practices are horribly exploitative, and the owner of the company seems like a thoroughly unpleasant person. Also, the amount of stock crammed into each shop turns it into some kind of labyrinthine hell."
I've just tried to tell you not to go somewhere, as is my right. It's equally your right to ignore my sage advice if you so choose.
It's threads like this that means Duchatelet is going to be at Charlton for a while still.
Anyone can see that this was a clever idea by CARD to hit Charton on their most profitable club shop day by 'asking' casual fans who probably arn't aware of the bigger picture of hitting Roland financially to please not buy things from the club shop for the good of the club's future.
FFS if we had the sort of fans that were going to bully and intimidate others to not go into the shop we probably would have been rid of Roland months ago! Please for progress sake let's leave this alone now otherwise I can see counter threads to every protest going forward. The omelettes and eggs analogy from earlier was bang on, think long-term people!
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Incidentally, just how many pregnant women were threatened on the day?
No doubt if one had fronted any of the pathetic excuses of men outside the shop they would have run a mile
Were you there?
So what are you an employee or a socialist in which then is boardering on left wing anarchy in which one of the voices of CARD has left wing views therefore for that person to bring their own political agenda as a protest is even worse.
Are you serious with this post? Or just severely under educated?
Picketing is a form of protest in which people (called picketers) congregate outside a place of work or location where an event is taking place. Often, this is done in an attempt to dissuade others from going in ("crossing the picket line"), but it can also be done to draw public attention to a cause. Picketers normally endeavor to be non-violent. It can have a number of aims, but is generally to put pressure on the party targeted to meet particular demands and/or cease operations. This pressure is achieved by harming the business through loss of customers and negative publicity, or by discouraging or preventing workers and/or customers from entering the site and thereby preventing the business from operating normally.
Historically, picketing was banned by a Liberal government in the Criminal Law Amendment Act 1871 but then decriminalised by a Conservative government with the Conspiracy and Protection of Property Act 1875.
Damn those nasty left wing socialist Conservatives.
Picketing is a common tactic used by trade unions during strikes, who will try to prevent dissident members of the union, members of other unions and non-unionised workers from working. Those who cross the picket line and work despite the strike are known pejoratively as scabs.(Coincidently some bright spark on here who was all for CARD called me and my son a Scab for renewing season tickets).
A mass picket is an attempt to bring as many people as possible to a picket line to demonstrate support for the cause. It is primarily used when only one workplace is being picketed or for a symbolically or practically important workplace. Due to the numbers involved, a mass picket may turn into a potentially unlawful blockade.
Secondary picketing people picketing locations that directly connected to the issue of protest. That would include component suppliers on which the picketed business relies, retail stores that sell products by the company against which is being picketed, and the private homes of the company's management. In many jurisdictions, secondary pickets do not have the same civil law protection as primary pickets.
Clearly what you are missing here is that it is a football ground and team. No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere.
Just for the record I am well educated and if I was you I would take them blinkers off as it is becoming embarrassing with opening statements such as that.
I'm so lost I have almost found myself again!
Nor does it mean the organizers are left wing anarchists using CARD to extend their own political agenda.
Your statement of "No one has a right to try to tell another person not to go somewhere. " is totally wrong, clearly people do have the right the form legal protests, it is 100% their right to do so, without threats of violence or being told to 'fuck off'.
I feel a lot of the thousands not attending this season are the protesters so that will leave a lot of people at The Valley who were not interested in protesting but mindful of our problems.
Also said that the protestors were meant to be intimidating and that was the point, well I'm sorry but I've never protested to intimidate anyone and if that is really the aim then I'd rather not be part of it, of course I think that this particular poster @Redrobo is just immature and irresponsible in what he posts and I doubt the rest of the protestors want to intimidate pregnant women.
I only mentioned it in the first place because although I am in the side of the protestors I feel some do get a bit too aggressive and abusive to other fans and these give the others a bad name, I know CARD promote peaceful protests but I do feel that a lot of people that get involved are in it for the trouble aspect and want to cause it. i want to win this war against douchebag but I want to do it without hurting or distressing any fan that has the God given right not to protest.
I did not, nor would I ever suggest that women, pregnant or not, should not attend a football match.
At no point did I say that she needed to be scared walking into the shop.
I did not say that protesters were meant to be intimidating. I said that picket lines by there very nature were.
You say that some protesters can be a bit too aggressive and abusive. A bit like you are being to me then?
Except, that you have to wonder why it is that there is this layer of people who always feel so aggrieved when someone asks them to do or not do do something. The best explanation I have is that it's down to cognitive dissonance. They know that what they are doing goes against the wishes of others. They know that they are going to do what they personally wanted anyway, but they don't want to make themselves look the bad guys. Solution: they have to demonise those making the request. If the requesters (demonstrators) are made to look bad somehow, then they can ignore the wishes and interests of those about them without any need to take responsibility. It's a brilliant plan except that it tends to lead to confrontation, but that's OK because they can convince themselves that it was all the nasty man's fault for having the cheek to ask something of them.
Yes protestors should be more tactful and mindful of other fans, particularly more vulnerable ones such as pregnant, elderly or disabled. Some fans also have special educational needs to, they are being taken to a football match they wouldn't necessarily understand the meanings behind the reason why people are so angry they will just see angry people, must be scary for them, I would love to take my son to a match one day as he would enjoy the clapping and singing as but it's much too hostile at the moment.
I've just tried to tell you not to go somewhere, as is my right. It's equally your right to ignore my sage advice if you so choose.
Anyone can see that this was a clever idea by CARD to hit Charton on their most profitable club shop day by 'asking' casual fans who probably arn't aware of the bigger picture of hitting Roland financially to please not buy things from the club shop for the good of the club's future.
FFS if we had the sort of fans that were going to bully and intimidate others to not go into the shop we probably would have been rid of Roland months ago! Please for progress sake let's leave this alone now otherwise I can see counter threads to every protest going forward. The omelettes and eggs analogy from earlier was bang on, think long-term people!