CARD My struggle this season, the approach isn't working as they need numbers. they also need to listen more to the fan base that they are supposed to represent.
What happened to events like the Woolwich meeting? have one of these every month where people can turn up and voice there opinions.
You do talk some shit. The Woolwich meeting was organised by CAS Trust. They represent fans. CARD doesn't represent the fan base; it acts as a focal point (but not the only one) for fans protests.
That will be news to many people.
That may be the case, I still want to know what is it that you think the fan base are saying that they are not listening to?
I already explained what I meant to you.
Sorry, missed it. It does not answer my question, your original statement was quite specific in intimating that there is a particular route that the fan base wish to go down that is being ignored. CARD are the fans, as already stated they are open to any idea or suggestion, there's no closed shop, anyone can join in.
But that's not what DAVO has said (who is a member of CARD)
The point really is how can we gauge what the fan base want when they don't have a platform to raise it.
I don't presume to know what the majority of the fan base want - but we are certainly not unified - we are split down the middle on the season ticket front.
more needs to be done to work together.
He hasn't said that on this thread. Here are a few things he has said though.
"And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"
"And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."
"All options under continuous evaluation"
The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
CARD My struggle this season, the approach isn't working as they need numbers. they also need to listen more to the fan base that they are supposed to represent.
What happened to events like the Woolwich meeting? have one of these every month where people can turn up and voice there opinions.
You do talk some shit. The Woolwich meeting was organised by CAS Trust. They represent fans. CARD doesn't represent the fan base; it acts as a focal point (but not the only one) for fans protests.
That will be news to many people.
That may be the case, I still want to know what is it that you think the fan base are saying that they are not listening to?
I already explained what I meant to you.
Sorry, missed it. It does not answer my question, your original statement was quite specific in intimating that there is a particular route that the fan base wish to go down that is being ignored. CARD are the fans, as already stated they are open to any idea or suggestion, there's no closed shop, anyone can join in.
But that's not what DAVO has said (who is a member of CARD)
The point really is how can we gauge what the fan base want when they don't have a platform to raise it.
I don't presume to know what the majority of the fan base want - but we are certainly not unified - we are split down the middle on the season ticket front.
more needs to be done to work together.
He hasn't said that on this thread. Here are a few things he has said though.
"And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"
"And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."
"All options under continuous evaluation"
The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
Ok Fair enough there obviously isn't an issue I guess, lets see how the season goes then I guess.
Clearly, the only protests that have made any impact have been the ones in Belgium.
Really? Is the club up for sale?
I am just quoting this again as it deserves to be re-iterated. Pres, your protest was admirable, but thus far has proved as fruitless as the efforts of CARD that you deride.
I've never 'derided' them AA, just my opinion that they 1) Havnt done enough (as the focal point) at the key stage (in my opinion) , being the start of the season. And 2) They aren't transparent enough - thus my comment about them sending out runners from behind a curtain in the Italian Restaurant. For example, I havnt got the slightest idea who is in it,when it meets, what its plans are etc.etc. Now, there may well be very valid reasons for being so.
In terms of value of protests , I think you'll find that there are a lot of people out there who believe that the Belgian protests gave more bang for the bucks (considering that they were all funded out of the individuals pockets) - they appeared to create the few cracks in RD/KM's armour (happy to be proved wrong on that), ie... KM's rant at London presentation RD's supposed comments about being 'annoyed' by our St Truiden leaflet distribution. RD's programme rant.
As Henry keeps on saying , this is a marathon not a sprint - and I think we all understand that , but maybe I'm just an impatient person, who wants these bar stewards out of OUR club ASAP- and the quicker I think i can accelerate that, then maybe the bigger risk I might take. It might not be to the taste of the softly,softly approach bunch, but I can assure you that 1) It will be within the law and 2) It might not be to the liking of CARD. But , I tell you what, if someone starts suggesting sending flowers to someone along the way, then that's gonna get right up my nose, coz this aint no fecking barndance anymore.
I don't understand this transparency business. Have you or C4FC4L1f3 or anyone else taking this tack been refused entry to a CARD meeting? Did you tell everyone on here what your plans were for Belgium? (You may have done, and I just didn't see it).
Not sure mate, for certain, I have never been contacted re anything CARD related (probably don't want me as they clearly see me as a bit of a renegade , lol), though as Neil points out, some of the Belgian20 are CARD members (apparently). None of us have any anti-CARD stance , just opinions that things might have been done differently - its not an Anti-CARD stance. With regard to publishing the Belgian trip, we (for obvious reasons) didn't explicitly publish our plans (some of the plans only formulated on the day !) - but we did, on several occasions, both cryptically and openly , advertise on CL for people to come and join us in out Belgian protest, without giving the game away. Many people expressed an interest , and many people dropped out at last minute, but we knew that would happen. So, yes, we did publish our (very) rough plans.
So very much the same as CARD then Pres? They let us know via social media that something is afoot, but keep the details close to their chest (like you - for obvious reasons). There's no reason why they would approach you, me or the lady from the Shake n Vac advert, as I see it, anyone who wishes to be involved can be. All working together towards a common aim.
Surely the point Granpa is making is that he just wants to go to the game (that he has spent money on) and ENJOY it as he sees fit without having it disrupted in any way by someone else "telling" or "asking" him to do something - be it don't spend money, stand up and shout, stay late and protest etc?
It does seem that those that are heavily involved in the protesting do have a "protest or else" attitude - as is shown by some of the comments back to a quite reasonable post by Granpa.......as they say, surely we don't need a divide among the supporters - either be against the regime or don't, it doesn't matter, just don't force your issue on anyone else
*queue multiple negative posts "telling" me im wrong ;-)
Well that ain't going to happen until Duchatelet goes. A big part of protesting is to be seen and heard, to get your message out. If the protests consisted of people talking to themselves there'd be no point.
Sadly the line above in bold reads like those that want RD gone are going to spoil the whole experience for everyone until they get what they want. I know I have come to that conclusion on my own and it is likely that isn't what you, actually, mean but it does indicate why some of those that are not interested in protesting are getting fed up with many of those that are.
Just out of interest who are the losers if a fan punches a protester? Who are the losers if the protester's friends proceed to beat up an old fella in front of his grandchildren?
Surely the best approach is to avoid these incidents happening in the first place? I wasn't there but I have heard those involved in CARD be very animated towards those that don't agree with them. That's fine but if someone you don't know does that it can lead to confrontation and in that event no one comes out looking good.
I can only comment on the numerous times I have handed out leaflets, beach balls, stress balls etc with various different people on each occasion and everyone has been very polite to those they are handing stuff out to. I have had many fans who are not anti regime stop to engage in dialogue and at the end we have agreed to disagree and parted amically. However, I have also had quite a few tell me to 'fuck off', 'stick it up my arse', 'shove it you fat c--t' etc etc. Any animosity has come from those who are not anti regime whilst CARD supporters have been very respectful to everyone.
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
Only problem with that is they'd get distracted and start doing their make up and chatting about shoes and bags etc.
Surely the point Granpa is making is that he just wants to go to the game (that he has spent money on) and ENJOY it as he sees fit without having it disrupted in any way by someone else "telling" or "asking" him to do something - be it don't spend money, stand up and shout, stay late and protest etc?
It does seem that those that are heavily involved in the protesting do have a "protest or else" attitude - as is shown by some of the comments back to a quite reasonable post by Granpa.......as they say, surely we don't need a divide among the supporters - either be against the regime or don't, it doesn't matter, just don't force your issue on anyone else
*queue multiple negative posts "telling" me im wrong ;-)
Well that ain't going to happen until Duchatelet goes. A big part of protesting is to be seen and heard, to get your message out. If the protests consisted of people talking to themselves there'd be no point.
Sadly the line above in bold reads like those that want RD gone are going to spoil the whole experience for everyone until they get what they want. I know I have come to that conclusion on my own and it is likely that isn't what you, actually, mean but it does indicate why some of those that are not interested in protesting are getting fed up with many of those that are.
Just out of interest who are the losers if a fan punches a protester? Who are the losers if the protester's friends proceed to beat up an old fella in front of his grandchildren?
Surely the best approach is to avoid these incidents happening in the first place? I wasn't there but I have heard those involved in CARD be very animated towards those that don't agree with them. That's fine but if someone you don't know does that it can lead to confrontation and in that event no one comes out looking good.
I can only comment on the numerous times I have handed out leaflets, beach balls, stress balls etc with various different people on each occasion and everyone has been very polite to those they are handing stuff out to. I have had many fans who are not anti regime stop to engage in dialogue and at the end we have agreed to disagree and parted amically. However, I have also had quite a few tell me to 'fuck off', 'stick it up my arse', 'shove it you fat c--t' etc etc. Any animosity has come from those who are not anti regime whilst CARD supporters have been very respectful to everyone.
id suggest you stop approaching Roger Johnson on his way to the ground then mate!
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
Only problem with that is they'd get distracted and start doing their make up and chatting about shoes and bags etc.
.........*Sits back and waits for @Curb_It to respond*.......................
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
Only problem with that is they'd get distracted and start doing their make up and chatting about shoes and bags etc.
.........*Sits back and waits for @Curb_It to respond*.......................
Give her a while. The pubs are open, it's lunchtime and the sun is shining. My guess is we wont be seeing her on here much before 3pm.
There are 5-6 members who meet once a week i believe
Nonsense.
Clarify then?
Doesn't meet weekly and when it has met (roughly eight or ten times since January) there have probably been 30 different people there at various times,many of whom have met through CARD and were neither active nor involved with the club previously.
And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take.
Do the elected few get first dibs on free tickets and someone asked yesterday morning how many free tickets did CARD receive for Saturdays game?
1. We are not elected. We get off our arses to try to make a difference, spending a lot of time and in many cases quite a bit of personal money too.
2. All of the freebies donated went to fans who wanted/needed a ticket. CARD organisers who went to the game bought there own tickets.
3. I don't know how many tickets were redistributed. I guess one of the team could go through all the emails and tot it up, then try to find out how many were brought on the day that we didn't get an email about, but I don't see why they should - we've all got other things in our lives too.
Fully prepared to be corrected if wrong here, but doesn't this go against what CARD stand for? Buying match day tickets and giving the club money is the exact opposite of what they want isn't it? Seems bizarre that they stand outside the club shop telling people not to spend money but they've done exactly that in buying a match ticket.
Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
Not sure it would make any difference TBH. I've had people being aggressive in their comments to me when handing out leaflets. I'm probably the same age as Fanny and I'm certain I don't come across as confrontational. I think some people are just arsey and they'll do it to whoever is there.
I have several times confirmed my support for legitimate protest, but on Saturday upon try to enter the Club Shop we were told by an individual stationed by the entrance door not to spend any money. I object very strongly to his approach, he could easily have caused the Police to become involved, which should not be your aim. As it happens we were there just to look, but as I understand Roland does not get any retail profit from the shop, only rent from the franchisee which am sure he has already pocketed. Please be aware that I believe that people like this individual ( short,fat, dressed in dark clothing ) is likely to make your cause more difficult.
I would just like to say to any protesters or CARD members.
Please don't try to tell me how, or what, to spend my money on. You will be given a right flea in your ear...
I may have been the person you saw at the shop entrance on Saturday (albeit that I am not short and fat) and all I said to you was "don't buy one of theirs, buy one of ours" highlighting the supporters shirt offering. At no point did I step in your way or stop you entering the store, I was polite and had used the same approach all afternoon without any form of confrontation, indeed most people were very pleasant. You on the other hand were very aggressive and abusive towards me telling me to "Fuck off" among other comments that neither I or others with me were able to understand. If as you suggest the police were to have become involved it would have been you who they would have spoken to about your abusive language and aggressive attitude. We all have a right to protest and picket etc as long as it is done within the law which all of us were. If you were not the person I refer to all well and good but as usual there are two sides to every story. I have been a supporter for just over 50 years and saddens me that because of this regime lots of what should be positive help and assistance (so much imagination and skill and more professionalism than Ms Meire and her cohorts have shown) for the club is now being lost. I will continue to "support the team but not the regime" until Mr Duchatelet comes to his senses and admits that his "Network" idea does not work and he sells up.
I went nowhere near the shop on Saturday. You do know what "if" means?
What is the point you are trying to make??
I didn't tell anyone to "F*** off", as no-one had any reason to say anything to me, nor did I have any reason to talk to any protester.
So, hypothetically, what might 'a right flea in your ear' consist of?
How about: "Go away, and leave me alone..."
Or does "Free speech" only go one way?
East-stand-loopy.........there appears to have been a mix up here my comments were directed at Granpa and not you.
There are 5-6 members who meet once a week i believe
Nonsense.
Clarify then?
Doesn't meet weekly and when it has met (roughly eight or ten times since January) there have probably been 30 different people there at various times,many of whom have met through CARD and were neither active nor involved with the club previously.
And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take.
Do the elected few get first dibs on free tickets and someone asked yesterday morning how many free tickets did CARD receive for Saturdays game?
1. We are not elected. We get off our arses to try to make a difference, spending a lot of time and in many cases quite a bit of personal money too.
2. All of the freebies donated went to fans who wanted/needed a ticket. CARD organisers who went to the game bought there own tickets.
3. I don't know how many tickets were redistributed. I guess one of the team could go through all the emails and tot it up, then try to find out how many were brought on the day that we didn't get an email about, but I don't see why they should - we've all got other things in our lives too.
Fully prepared to be corrected if wrong here, but doesn't this go against what CARD stand for? Buying match day tickets and giving the club money is the exact opposite of what they want isn't it? Seems bizarre that they stand outside the club shop telling people not to spend money but they've done exactly that in buying a match ticket.
Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
I honestly don't think so mate. CARD hasn't called for a boycott of games. CARD organisers and volunteers are all fans, some are boycotting, others can't envisaging going to at least some games. I'm in the latter group. Gave up my ST of 20 odd years, buying tickets to maybe 60% of home matches, spending less than I would have spent on my ST. Everyone will have their own position.
When we call for a commercial boycott or something like the picket last Saturday, it's to make a point to the regime, hit them a bit in their pocket but as importantly just to give them a pain in the arse and put strain on their relationships with suppliers/franchise holders. That kind of protest can operate separately from a match boycott.
but make sure you keep back some of the protest funds for after they leave. I want a massive party. as big as a rich American kids sweet sixteen mixed with a Sheffield club finishing second. yeah, that massive.
starting at the train museum before an old 1950s tram takes us down to the valley to continue the celebrations with flasks of bovil, sandwiches and beer. (preferably not Belgium beer but I don't mind) I hope no one is lactose intolerant. because that night will be legenDAIRY!
but make sure you keep back some of the protest funds for after they leave. I want a massive party. as big as a rich American kids sweet sixteen mixed with a Sheffield club finishing second. yeah, that massive.
starting at the train museum before an old 1950s tram takes us down to the valley to continue the celebrations with flasks of bovil, sandwiches and beer. (preferably not Belgium beer but I don't mind) I hope no one is lactose intolerant. because that night will be legenDAIRY!
Oh Yes. Gonna be some party when these clueless fuckwits decide to sell up.
There are 5-6 members who meet once a week i believe
Nonsense.
Clarify then?
Doesn't meet weekly and when it has met (roughly eight or ten times since January) there have probably been 30 different people there at various times,many of whom have met through CARD and were neither active nor involved with the club previously.
And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take.
Do the elected few get first dibs on free tickets and someone asked yesterday morning how many free tickets did CARD receive for Saturdays game?
1. We are not elected. We get off our arses to try to make a difference, spending a lot of time and in many cases quite a bit of personal money too.
2. All of the freebies donated went to fans who wanted/needed a ticket. CARD organisers who went to the game bought there own tickets.
3. I don't know how many tickets were redistributed. I guess one of the team could go through all the emails and tot it up, then try to find out how many were brought on the day that we didn't get an email about, but I don't see why they should - we've all got other things in our lives too.
Fully prepared to be corrected if wrong here, but doesn't this go against what CARD stand for? Buying match day tickets and giving the club money is the exact opposite of what they want isn't it? Seems bizarre that they stand outside the club shop telling people not to spend money but they've done exactly that in buying a match ticket.
Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
I honestly don't think so mate. CARD hasn't called for a boycott of games. CARD organisers and volunteers are all fans, some are boycotting, others can't envisaging going to at least some games. I'm in the latter group. Gave up my ST of 20 odd years, buying tickets to maybe 60% of home matches, spending less than I would have spent on my ST. Everyone will have their own position.
When we call for a commercial boycott or something like the picket last Saturday, it's to make a point to the regime, hit them a bit in their pocket but as importantly just to give them a pain in the arse and put strain on their relationships with suppliers/franchise holders. That kind of protest can operate separately from a match boycott.
But Davo the picket on Saturday backfired a bit Grandpa has come on here and has had the shit kicked out of him a couple of others not happy what we know of. Let's not put off our own from buying,picket those in the shop working there have a word with them about not going in to work. Someone mentioned Grandpa should remember the unions let's picket then and stop people going to work in the valley.
It's their livelihood and they probably don't earn very much anyway. I'd rather someone got a little bit miffed outside the shop than one of our own lose their job.
While I don't disagree with protests and I have full support for what CARD are trying to do I'm not comfortable with fans being 'advised' not to do something and I'm even more concerned with how how Grandpa is been riddiculed on here. Every time something like this happens and the individual that exercises his right to his own opinion is 'attacked' CARD lose just a little more support.
If these events continue to happen in the end there will be less support for CARD than there is for the club.
I'm going to ignore any abuse I get for this so you'd be wasting your time giving it but from memory Grandpa has been a reasonable poster on here and has been as keen to remove the Belgians as most others. There does come a point where you will have excluded so many that you really wil be 2%.
I can't think of any historical campaign that has been successful when the members are so quick to turn on their own.
Bring on the abuse......
I agree, at least in principle. As far as I'm concerned, this has been some people voicing their feelings about the protest, others protesting legally, and you're both right--you're both entitled to your opinions.
It seemed that we started careening toward turning on each other at the end of last year when not renewing was being discussed. It feels like there has been a lot more sympathy, as it is a very, very hard decision and that's made me really proud. As far as I'm concerned, no fan is "The Enemy." We will not all agree with each other, you will never have true plurality, but the problem lives in Belgium, not London. We need to respect each person's desire to protest or not protest in their own way, or we're no better than those who we oppose. When RD is gone, we'll all still be Charlton fans.
Just out of curiosity, have you ever been to The Valley?
I don't know if that was aimed at me but if it was I can confirm that I have been to The Valley quite a few times.
I've never seen you there!
Except the times you lent me your dads ticket, but apart from then!
There are 5-6 members who meet once a week i believe
Nonsense.
Clarify then?
Doesn't meet weekly and when it has met (roughly eight or ten times since January) there have probably been 30 different people there at various times,many of whom have met through CARD and were neither active nor involved with the club previously.
And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take.
Do the elected few get first dibs on free tickets and someone asked yesterday morning how many free tickets did CARD receive for Saturdays game?
1. We are not elected. We get off our arses to try to make a difference, spending a lot of time and in many cases quite a bit of personal money too.
2. All of the freebies donated went to fans who wanted/needed a ticket. CARD organisers who went to the game bought there own tickets.
3. I don't know how many tickets were redistributed. I guess one of the team could go through all the emails and tot it up, then try to find out how many were brought on the day that we didn't get an email about, but I don't see why they should - we've all got other things in our lives too.
Fully prepared to be corrected if wrong here, but doesn't this go against what CARD stand for? Buying match day tickets and giving the club money is the exact opposite of what they want isn't it? Seems bizarre that they stand outside the club shop telling people not to spend money but they've done exactly that in buying a match ticket.
Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
I honestly don't think so mate. CARD hasn't called for a boycott of games. CARD organisers and volunteers are all fans, some are boycotting, others can't envisaging going to at least some games. I'm in the latter group. Gave up my ST of 20 odd years, buying tickets to maybe 60% of home matches, spending less than I would have spent on my ST. Everyone will have their own position.
When we call for a commercial boycott or something like the picket last Saturday, it's to make a point to the regime, hit them a bit in their pocket but as importantly just to give them a pain in the arse and put strain on their relationships with suppliers/franchise holders. That kind of protest can operate separately from a match boycott.
But Davo the picket on Saturday backfired a bit Grandpa has come on here and has had the shit kicked out of him a couple of others not happy what we know of. Let's not put off our own from buying,picket those in the shop working there have a word with them about not going in to work. Someone mentioned Grandpa should remember the unions let's picket then and stop people going to work in the valley.
Fair opinion. I personally thought it was very tame and can't really understand anyone being intimidated or angered by it. But CARD certainly doesn't get everything right. It isn't the first time and it won't be the last, but we do try hard to pursue protests while respecting the disparate views of fans.
It's their livelihood and they probably don't earn very much anyway. I'd rather someone got a little bit miffed outside the shop than one of our own lose their job.
Baldy we are on a picket don't let them break the line.
As long as there are threads like this on Charlton Life the regime will be laughing their heads off. Divide and rule!
Yes I bought a ST no I don't support the regime, yes I believe from experience that some protestors are abusive, but they are in the minority, are there loads of regime supporters no, are there a lot of apathetic anti regimes, are there people that have not got involved because of negative experiences, are there some who have got involved because there experience is positive.
Like any group we are a mish mash of people personalities and ideas on how to go about things, but one thing for sure is that this mindless calling out only helps the regime.
Serious suggestion. Put women at the door. Their approach is different and may yield better results. The shop sponsor needs to rethink its stance and this is the best way of doing it. But one persons persuasion can be another person's intimidation, hence lower the temperature with women at the door. Women like Fanny for example, it's worth a try.
I support CARD and everything they stand for, every forum I post on I make that clear and really appreciate their efforts and ideas.
However, on this occasion I kind of agree with the opening post as my friend who is pregnant was given some mouth and made to feel scared and uncomfortable when going into the club shop.
I agree that people shouldn't buy from the club AT ALL at the moment and the picket line and protesting is great, but please respect other people's rights not to protest if that's what they want, right or wrong they should have the choice.
All protestors all the time, myself included when I'm there, need to be careful to remember who the enemy is here, my fear is that there are some that get too carried away and are quite nasty to other supporters at times, this reflects badly on the rest of the cause. Can we all just please be a bit more tactful in the future?
I don't condone the behaviour of the protester, but what a strange choice for a pregnant women to make. A picket line is by its very nature intimidating and if she felt scared and uncomfortable, that is kinda the idea! We all know a football crowd has a cross section of people and when people are passionate about something their behaviour can be out of character. Add a large group/crowd and behaviour can be unpredictable.
You only have to read posts above to see that some supporters are saying "try and stop me and see what happens ". You can immagine the puffed out chest and macho purposeful stride through the protesters looking for a reaction and it all kicks off. Really not worth risking an unborn child for a bit of shopping.
The title is a "message to CARD". I am not sure what you expect them to do about it? They can and do ask for good behaviour and we can all do our best to help. Pehaps advise others that pushing your right to pass through a picket line is not the nicest thing to do to your fellow supporters? If you think behaviour is unacceptable you should ask the police for assistance.
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"And don't forget, the protest fund is open to all fans protests ideas"
"And, worth noting that several people have joined the CARD organising team since it was formed, including two over the summer. Others have stepped back but remain volunteers/supporters. Fresh people (with fresh ideas) are welcomed but we look for specific skills and personal qualities that will add value to the team. One of the personal qualities is Resilience; because it is bloody hard work and the criticism (not doing enough, doing too much, doing more than RD/KM to destroy the club etc etc) can be hard to take."
"All options under continuous evaluation"
The fanbase does have a platform to raise anything it wants - right here on CL. If you have a specific idea that you want to see enacted, tell us all now. If CARD ignores you, or knocks you back without a good reason, then we can all see that you have a valid point.
Give her a while. The pubs are open, it's lunchtime and the sun is shining. My guess is we wont be seeing her on here much before 3pm.
Just to make it clear, i think CARD have done a good job so far, but this seems a bit bizarre.
When we call for a commercial boycott or something like the picket last Saturday, it's to make a point to the regime, hit them a bit in their pocket but as importantly just to give them a pain in the arse and put strain on their relationships with suppliers/franchise holders. That kind of protest can operate separately from a match boycott.
starting at the train museum before an old 1950s tram takes us down to the valley to continue the celebrations with flasks of bovil, sandwiches and beer. (preferably not Belgium beer but I don't mind)
I hope no one is lactose intolerant. because that night will be legenDAIRY!
Let's not put off our own from buying,picket those in the shop working there have a word with them about not going in to work.
Someone mentioned Grandpa should remember the unions let's picket then and stop people going to work in the valley.
It's their livelihood and they probably don't earn very much anyway.
I'd rather someone got a little bit miffed outside the shop than one of our own lose their job.
Keep up the excellent work @Davo55.
Except the times you lent me your dads ticket, but apart from then!
Ps when are we having that drink
Yes I bought a ST no I don't support the regime, yes I believe from experience that some protestors are abusive, but they are in the minority, are there loads of regime supporters no, are there a lot of apathetic anti regimes, are there people that have not got involved because of negative experiences, are there some who have got involved because there experience is positive.
Like any group we are a mish mash of people personalities and ideas on how to go about things, but one thing for sure is that this mindless calling out only helps the regime.