Just to be clear I'm mot having a go at the US ownership, but the SMT of which CM is a large part. I'd be happy if the SMT were removed and replaced with different and better qualified people. To me, rightly or wrongly, CM is another chancer.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I'm 31 and been going on tours of retirement villages just to be safe. One last dance
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
Yeah I get the point that's what I'm saying I don't agree with - he's barely turned 29! talking of "last chance" is just mad to me.
If we sell Jones, then I suspect it'll be CM trying to prove to the US owners he can bring money in! I would also suggest that the backlash against the SMT would be vociferous at the very least and more fans will vote with their feet! CM is a 100 mph prat and it's the sort of stupid stunt he'd pull just to save his own skin. Jones is by a very large margin the best defender we have, in fact I'd suggest one of the best players we have at the club! Moving Jones on, no matter how much we're offered, will put pay to any chance, however remote, we have of making the play-offs, sadly CM and Scott are short-sighted enough to make such a stupid decision! I can only hope Gavin Carter reads this and other SM to realise the damage it would do. I want to see the US owners building a competitive squad, not allowing CM and Co. to make a few bob!
Tbh not entirely clear to me what this ownership group have done to warrant this tone and level of negativity and cynicism.
They haven’t spent much money on playing staff explicitly I guess, but they’ve done quite a lot of sensible stuff and I have no reason to doubt their intentions.
Maybe that’s just me.
I do think the ownership has good intentions also and they have appointed a SMT fir the day to day running and stewardship of the club. It’s really still early days for our owners and I’d expect that they’ll soon want to see progress on the pitch. If the SMT can’t deliver that, then I fully expect them to be replaced. The disappointment of this season lays firmly at the door of the SMT and Jones and not with the money. If Jones is sold I doubt the ownership will have much to do with it. It will be another nail in the SMT’s coffin. Can’t see how they avoid more failure by selling the best players, particularly to another league one club.
They've been around for a season and a half now and we have got progressively worse. We've had three managers, we've struggled to hold onto our best players and despite apparently having one of the highest wage bills in the division, we've played pretty much, dog shit football for 18 months and we are struggling to make the play offs again !
Come on now. Charlie boy told us all they were really clever, they could stop our losses and make profits IF they ran the club sensibly.
We had the 8-8-8 ludicrous youtube Q&A last January and one year on, we're hardly much better suited with Dobson, CBT and May - arguably our best 3 players all having gone out of the door.
How long do you want to give them before we are allowed to question their stewardship?!
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Would honestly be surprised if we got anywhere near £500k for him. Approaching 30, a defender, never played above league one and only a few months left on his contract. £250k tops.
And for that it is surely not worth the loss of your key CB alongside huge uproar in the fanbase.
I don't think we will sell him, but we will likely lose him on a free in the summer.
Apparently we rejected a bid of 750k.
The rumours are 3 bids rejected, two from championship sides, one from Wycombe.
Gillesphey, if someone offers us cash money for him I'd be inclined to take it. I like him but it isn't working out, has a decent left foot which is probably what will ensure he has a good career in the game but I'd be prepared to roll the dice and let him leave.
Jones, offer him a decent contract. He is a proper defender and in my eyes the leader on the pitch whether he has an armband on or not.
Leaburn, if he goes this window that shows the honest intent of the owners.
I'd happily also lost Edun, a decent technical player but where he plays is anyones guess. Taylor will probably go which is criminal as his delivery alone is mikes better than most in the division and certainly anyone else at the club.
We need another left sided centre half if we are persisting with a back 5/3 centre halves and we need cover at right back.
In terms of players I'd like to see come in
Knibbs, I'd love that but forget it, destined for bigger things Lewis Wing I'd also welcome, class player, a pain in the arse whenever I've seen him play Pinnock at Northampton is class and knows how to play a through ball Just thinking about Readings squad, they have 4 or 5 players id take now
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
If we sell Jones, then I suspect it'll be CM trying to prove to the US owners he can bring money in! I would also suggest that the backlash against the SMT would be vociferous at the very least and more fans will vote with their feet! CM is a 100 mph prat and it's the sort of stupid stunt he'd pull just to save his own skin. Jones is by a very large margin the best defender we have, in fact I'd suggest one of the best players we have at the club! Moving Jones on, no matter how much we're offered, will put pay to any chance, however remote, we have of making the play-offs, sadly CM and Scott are short-sighted enough to make such a stupid decision! I can only hope Gavin Carter reads this and other SM to realise the damage it would do. I want to see the US owners building a competitive squad, not allowing CM and Co. to make a few bob!
Tbh not entirely clear to me what this ownership group have done to warrant this tone and level of negativity and cynicism.
They haven’t spent much money on playing staff explicitly I guess, but they’ve done quite a lot of sensible stuff and I have no reason to doubt their intentions.
Maybe that’s just me.
I do think the ownership has good intentions also and they have appointed a SMT fir the day to day running and stewardship of the club. It’s really still early days for our owners and I’d expect that they’ll soon want to see progress on the pitch. If the SMT can’t deliver that, then I fully expect them to be replaced. The disappointment of this season lays firmly at the door of the SMT and Jones and not with the money. If Jones is sold I doubt the ownership will have much to do with it. It will be another nail in the SMT’s coffin. Can’t see how they avoid more failure by selling the best players, particularly to another league one club.
They've been around for a season and a half now and we have got progressively worse. We've had three managers, we've struggled to hold onto our best players and despite apparently having one of the highest wage bills in the division, we've played pretty much, dog shit football for 18 months and we are struggling to make the play offs again !
Come on now. Charlie boy told us all they were really clever, they could stop our losses and make profits IF they ran the club sensibly.
We had the 8-8-8 ludicrous youtube Q&A last January and one year on, we're hardly much better suited with Dobson, CBT and May - arguably our best 3 players all having gone out of the door.
How long do you want to give them before we are allowed to question their stewardship?!
I question the SMT’s ability because it’s obvious we’ve been a fuck up. Just like any company the owners / shareholders usually appoint people with experience to run the day to day stuff and don’t get involved. That’s what we’ve seen I believe and unless the owners don’t eventually see the SMT as is ain’t up to the job then I’m still supportive of the owners. I’m fairly sure that when we fail to get top six this season, then serious questions will be asked and presumably targets for next season set. I would think we’re quite a way short of what Charlie was selling to the Americans. It’s unlikely that will be allowed to be carried over into next season.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
From memory he made some mistakes and lost confidence, but when we were playing well showed potential as a player who could be part of a stronger team.
We’ve got a stronger defence even if the rest of it hasn’t fallen into place yet. I put a lot of that down to Jones sticking with route one for too long. The Birmingham game showed it wasn’t necessary, and that it also didn’t suit us.
If we sell Jones, then I suspect it'll be CM trying to prove to the US owners he can bring money in! I would also suggest that the backlash against the SMT would be vociferous at the very least and more fans will vote with their feet! CM is a 100 mph prat and it's the sort of stupid stunt he'd pull just to save his own skin. Jones is by a very large margin the best defender we have, in fact I'd suggest one of the best players we have at the club! Moving Jones on, no matter how much we're offered, will put pay to any chance, however remote, we have of making the play-offs, sadly CM and Scott are short-sighted enough to make such a stupid decision! I can only hope Gavin Carter reads this and other SM to realise the damage it would do. I want to see the US owners building a competitive squad, not allowing CM and Co. to make a few bob!
Tbh not entirely clear to me what this ownership group have done to warrant this tone and level of negativity and cynicism.
They haven’t spent much money on playing staff explicitly I guess, but they’ve done quite a lot of sensible stuff and I have no reason to doubt their intentions.
Maybe that’s just me.
I do think the ownership has good intentions also and they have appointed a SMT fir the day to day running and stewardship of the club. It’s really still early days for our owners and I’d expect that they’ll soon want to see progress on the pitch. If the SMT can’t deliver that, then I fully expect them to be replaced. The disappointment of this season lays firmly at the door of the SMT and Jones and not with the money. If Jones is sold I doubt the ownership will have much to do with it. It will be another nail in the SMT’s coffin. Can’t see how they avoid more failure by selling the best players, particularly to another league one club.
They've been around for a season and a half now and we have got progressively worse. We've had three managers, we've struggled to hold onto our best players and despite apparently having one of the highest wage bills in the division, we've played pretty much, dog shit football for 18 months and we are struggling to make the play offs again !
Come on now. Charlie boy told us all they were really clever, they could stop our losses and make profits IF they ran the club sensibly.
We had the 8-8-8 ludicrous youtube Q&A last January and one year on, we're hardly much better suited with Dobson, CBT and May - arguably our best 3 players all having gone out of the door.
How long do you want to give them before we are allowed to question their stewardship?!
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
As NJ himself said (whom should get a lot of credit for the massive improvement in our defending), it was personnel. I'm not sure we have yet truly come to terms with just how poor Hector/Thomas were.
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Would honestly be surprised if we got anywhere near £500k for him. Approaching 30, a defender, never played above league one and only a few months left on his contract. £250k tops.
And for that it is surely not worth the loss of your key CB alongside huge uproar in the fanbase.
I don't think we will sell him, but we will likely lose him on a free in the summer.
Apparently we rejected a bid of 750k.
The rumours are 3 bids rejected, two from championship sides, one from Wycombe.
According to who?
I'd be surprised - firstly that that much was offered, and secondly that the SMT didn't snatch their hands off, given the way they sold CBT last Jan and tried to do the same with Dobson.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
As NJ himself said (whom should get a lot of credit for the massive improvement in our defending), it was personnel. I'm not sure we have yet truly come to terms with just how poor Hector/Thomas were.
So telling that Thomas played for a team likely to drop out of the EFL and Hector hasn’t got a contract anywhere
- this current leadership are not good at recruitment. The last summer window is proof of that. - this current leadership is not saying much about how it will support a push towards the Championship. Unless they are clear about how they will support recruitment to achieve that aim, we will probably blunder along mid table. We also need to clear out the crap. - on Miles, Jones, TT and possibly Kanu, it would not surprise me to seem some of them go this window, but the real issue is the weakness of our recruitment decisions with Scott and others at the helm. I do not believe NJ has total control over transfer policy. - NJ has made some very odd decisions about the style of play, as shown by a shocking run made worse by “hoof it up” the pitch style of play. - His match selections have also been odd, such as Hylton over Kanu….
Clearly the last few games have been better, but like others i am unconvinced we will keep it going.
The leadership is suspect, the squad is weak and NJ is hot headed, so it’s hardly a recipe for success.
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Agreed. But then you and me aren't going to have to put our hands in our pockets and find the £500k we are losing by not selling now.
The proof is in the pudding, as it were. I put case, it has looked unappetising, smelt bad, and tasted equally awful. Recently somebody poured on some instant custard, and it is slightly better. It's not yet time for the owners to start expecting Michelin stars, and a queue a mile long!!
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Agreed. But then you and me aren't going to have to put our hands in our pockets and find the £500k we are losing by not selling now.
I guess that would be an indication of our ownership's intentions if they pocket 500k (less than 10% of the annual running costs of the club) and not even reinvest it in the playing squad.
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Agreed. But then you and me aren't going to have to put our hands in our pockets and find the £500k we are losing by not selling now.
I guess that would be an indication of our ownership's intentions if they pocket 500k (less than 10% of the annual running costs of the club) and not even reinvest it in the playing squad.
Tbf we invested the CBT money last January, and some more on top probably. If we sell, I’m sure it will be the same again
Once again, money is not our problem! It’s how we spend it that needs to improve. This summer was an improvement on last season, hopefully this month can be another step forward
We would get 500k at most for Lloyd Jones. Given how critical he has been this season to our defensive solidity, it would be madness and very short sighted to sell him. Especially as we look like picking up some form and challenging top six.
Would rather he left in the summer for free if he isn’t going to sign new terms.
Would honestly be surprised if we got anywhere near £500k for him. Approaching 30, a defender, never played above league one and only a few months left on his contract. £250k tops.
And for that it is surely not worth the loss of your key CB alongside huge uproar in the fanbase.
I don't think we will sell him, but we will likely lose him on a free in the summer.
Apparently we rejected a bid of 750k.
The rumours are 3 bids rejected, two from championship sides, one from Wycombe.
According to who?
I'd be surprised - firstly that that much was offered, and secondly that the SMT didn't snatch their hands off, given the way they sold CBT last Jan and tried to do the same with Dobson.
Just saw it doing the rounds on twitter and a friend told me.
Seen a few* Wycombe fans also say they're in for Lloyd Jones.
Again, could all be nonsense, but that's what I have heard.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
As NJ himself said (whom should get a lot of credit for the massive improvement in our defending), it was personnel. I'm not sure we have yet truly come to terms with just how poor Hector/Thomas were.
So telling that Thomas played for a team likely to drop out of the EFL and Hector hasn’t got a contract anywhere
Looks like three recent CBs will be playing non-league football next year, while the fourth can't get a game anywhere. I'm not sure why time had to win the argument about how poor they were, the proof was always right there on the pitch.
Regarding Jones. I was watching the Wycombe game at home and could see how he easily he would fit in Wycombe's side. I remember bumping into the fans of a previous club at Beckenham when watching England U 19 v Australia U 19, they told me that Jones is a quality player. We are seeing it more this season. I will be gutted if he goes. However, I won't the blame SMT on this one. At the moment we are a mid table League one club. That is why we are struggling to retain our better players. Players will always keep their options open.
Charley boy won't give 2 s***ts about the fan base and I believe will sell LJ! Whilst him and the clown Scott are still occupying car park space we will I feel keep regressing!
We are only just getting back on our feet since the May and Dobson debacle, so imagine if LJ and Miles get sold, the lost revenue could see us in no mans land, with us having to put up with people saying 'what is going on inside that club'.
The only grace we have is that it is not of the fault of us fans who really care about this club, not CM who is topping up his pension fund!
I think Taylor will go, Jones doesn't rate him. Shame, I think he is a good player..
I can't see us signing Etete, unless there is a bid for Leaburn lined up, But as I said, anything close to 5 million will be testing.. Let's not forget, as good as his playing and stats are, his injury record isn't great, which has an impact on the value!
Personally, I think the club will hold off until the summer.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I think the point is that this could be his last chance. Last season he looked like a bang average league 1 player, this season he’s looked like a championship player. He’d be wise to cash in now in case he returns to that previous level or gets injured
I’ll contend that he was very good last season too, just playing for managers that didn’t how to set up a defence.
I don't know that he was very good. He was good at the start but when he dipped oh my god did he dip. I can't remember all his goofs but he had a particularly bad one against Port Vale when he did poorly for two goals and he had such a pisstit of a game against Northampton he got hauled off at halftime. He was then mercy killed by Fleming for the Blackpool game, was brought on at halftime and gave away a goal within 10 minutes. He stayed dropped for the Derby game. I don't think I've seen a defender look so devoid of confidence since Simon Francis for us, he forgot how to do basic things like charge down shots, win headers and take up a vaguely sensible position.
I don't buy into this "one last big contract for L Jones" stuff at 29 - that's the excuse that was used for Alfie May in the summer yet he is 2 years older at 31 (and Jones has only JUST turned 29 in October anyway)
I'm 31 and been going on tours of retirement villages just to be safe. One last dance
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Come on now. Charlie boy told us all they were really clever, they could stop our losses and make profits IF they ran the club sensibly.
We had the 8-8-8 ludicrous youtube Q&A last January and one year on, we're hardly much better suited with Dobson, CBT and May - arguably our best 3 players all having gone out of the door.
How long do you want to give them before we are allowed to question their stewardship?!
The rumours are 3 bids rejected, two from championship sides, one from Wycombe.
Jones, offer him a decent contract. He is a proper defender and in my eyes the leader on the pitch whether he has an armband on or not.
Leaburn, if he goes this window that shows the honest intent of the owners.
I'd happily also lost Edun, a decent technical player but where he plays is anyones guess. Taylor will probably go which is criminal as his delivery alone is mikes better than most in the division and certainly anyone else at the club.
We need another left sided centre half if we are persisting with a back 5/3 centre halves and we need cover at right back.
In terms of players I'd like to see come in
Knibbs, I'd love that but forget it, destined for bigger things
Lewis Wing I'd also welcome, class player, a pain in the arse whenever I've seen him play
Pinnock at Northampton is class and knows how to play a through ball
Just thinking about Readings squad, they have 4 or 5 players id take now
We’ve got a stronger defence even if the rest of it hasn’t fallen into place yet. I put a lot of that down to Jones sticking with route one for too long. The Birmingham game showed it wasn’t necessary, and that it also didn’t suit us.
I'd be surprised - firstly that that much was offered, and secondly that the SMT didn't snatch their hands off, given the way they sold CBT last Jan and tried to do the same with Dobson.
- this current leadership are not good at recruitment. The last summer window is proof of that.
- this current leadership is not saying much about how it will support a push towards the Championship. Unless they are clear about how they will support recruitment to achieve that aim, we will probably blunder along mid table. We also need to clear out the crap.
- on Miles, Jones, TT and possibly Kanu, it would not surprise me to seem some of them go this window, but the real issue is the weakness of our recruitment decisions with Scott and others at the helm. I do not believe NJ has total control over transfer policy.
- NJ has made some very odd decisions about the style of play, as shown by a shocking run made worse by “hoof it up” the pitch style of play.
- His match selections have also been odd, such as Hylton over Kanu….
Clearly the last few games have been better, but like others i am unconvinced we will keep it going.
The leadership is suspect, the squad is weak and NJ is hot headed, so it’s hardly a recipe for success.
Once again, money is not our problem! It’s how we spend it that needs to improve. This summer was an improvement on last season, hopefully this month can be another step forward
Seen a few* Wycombe fans also say they're in for Lloyd Jones.
Again, could all be nonsense, but that's what I have heard.
Whilst him and the clown Scott are still occupying car park space we will I feel keep regressing!
We are only just getting back on our feet since the May and Dobson debacle, so imagine if LJ and Miles get sold, the lost revenue could see us in no mans land, with us having to put up with people saying 'what is going on inside that club'.
The only grace we have is that it is not of the fault of us fans who really care about this club, not CM who is topping up his pension fund!
Might be having a bad day this end!