Look at Peterborough United. They have a tiny budget compared to ours but their scouting system is fantastic. Every season they seem to find a player or two from nowhere who scores goals for fun and they play some beautiful football at times. Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Here our progress after 14 games in the last 4 seasons: 2021/22 - W3 12pts, 2022/23 W4 19pts, 2023/24 W5 18 pts, 2024/25 W5 19 pts No progress at all. Something for the management to think about in the next board meeting.
Not at all in favour of Jones out - but feeling that only Curbs, Powell or Bowyer can get us out of League 1.
Curbs out the game too long, Powell after us actually hasn’t had a decent stint as manager and Bowyer would end up slapping this squad about and they’d all leave 😂
The Bowyer option is my choice. Coaching obviously doesn’t work perhaps a Monday morning beating session would be an option, not tried yet so may be worth trailing.
Today was so frustrating to watch. Players who can’t control a ball with their first touch or pass to feet or move off the ball shouldn’t really be playing professional football.
Look at Peterborough United. They have a tiny budget compared to ours but their scouting system is fantastic. Every season they seem to find a player or two from nowhere who scores goals for fun and they play some beautiful football at times. Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Look at Peterborough United. They have a tiny budget compared to ours but their scouting system is fantastic. Every season they seem to find a player or two from nowhere who scores goals for fun and they play some beautiful football at times. Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Why cant' we even come close to doing that ?
We'll never get Barry Fry off them but you do wonder if we could poach someone from them, surely that could make a difference to our recruitment?
Look at Peterborough United. They have a tiny budget compared to ours but their scouting system is fantastic. Every season they seem to find a player or two from nowhere who scores goals for fun and they play some beautiful football at times. Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Why cant' we even come close to doing that ?
Charlie Methven and Andy Scott
We couldn't do it under their previous incumbents either .
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
We do have injuries, but that points up is that ever season we have large squad but the back ups are not as good as the best starting eleven, and they are not thst good. Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven. We have never has a squad any where near that good. Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
I’m really pleased that I didn’t ruin my day in Milano by trying to watch the match during a tour of the Duomo, La Scala and Santa Maria delle Grazie to see l’ultimo Cena.
We’ll never be higher than mid table while Methven is in charge. He’s a buffoon, terrible hires in Andy Scott, Appleton and now Jones, a manager who packs the middle with defensive midfielders and wonders why we create nothing. Reckless decisions like selling the leagues best striker and replacing him with Ahadme. Squandering the 4th best budget in the league on baffling, ill judged decisions. We seem to hiring and signing everyone on the way down, the manager, his ex players and Ipswich rejects.
So many of the new signings just don’t look up for it. Campbell, Berry, Doc ! I was one of Abbie Morgan’s biggest critics but atleast he tried to bust a gut ! I’m sick of us losing players that apparently aren’t good enough and we can sign better ! Such as Dobson etc and replacing them with worse. I’m now back to feeling exactly the same as I felt when that twat Appleton was in charge these boring hoofball tactics are soul destroying and sucking any enjoyment out of watching my team. Holden and Garner atleast tried to play football
We could see the problems in pre-season, that is the most galling thing about this situation. It was clear as day that we had no quality through the middle. We are not even professional football people – how the people at the club could not see it... I don't know, but it's a damning indictment of their ability.
Towards the end of the window, NJ said he was looking to finally bring in some "real, real quality" and then he signed Alan Campbell.
NJ obviously had a 'masterplan' in his mind about how this team would play, and how the players he brought in would be a part of that system. But whatever it was – it doesn't work. I think he's misread both the system and this league. And now, with a midfield full of the exact same player, there's no clear way to improve this team before January.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
We do have injuries, but that points up is that ever season we have large squad but the back ups are not as good as the best starting eleven, and they are not thst good. Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven. We have never has a squad any where near that good. Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
My point was most of the injured players don’t get in the starting 11, and those that are good subs wouldn’t have changed the poor first half.
On wages probably around there, the clubs share their budgets which is why Methven is able to estimate that’s how much we’re spending.
You don’t need 20-25 top quality players. Bowyer and Powell had plenty of average players making up their squads. Other clubs weren’t jealous that we had the likes of Wagstaff, Evina, Reeves, Marshall etc.
What this squad doesn’t have is enough players who could play at Championship level. We were supposed to get they in Docherty, Campbell and so on, but they look nowhere near it.
After today, I finally accept that we won't be in the promotion fight come the end of the season.
The players worked today, but there was no joined up play. Tippy tappy across the back then lump it forward.
Of course we had the chances to at least get a draw and probably take all 3 points. Trouble is May no longer plays for us, and I honestly don't think our performance warranted 3 points. Maybe one?
Leaburn has looked out of salts since his return. He is a huge talent, but his attitude doesn't look quite right, and he definitely needs to loose weight.
Chucks, when played has been very average this season.
I think Jones sets us up wrong and uses the wrong players, often in the wrong position.
Of course we need a cm play maker or two, another striker, a gk and another cb.
NJ is frustrating, and I have little confidence in him right now, but I agree that we need stability.
Edit: BTW, great numbers turned out today, but absolutely no vocal support from us, and little from Exeter. It wasn't that sort of game to get excited about, but I think it's as much the dross football served up all season. We all expect to be disappointed.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
We do have injuries, but that points up is that ever season we have large squad but the back ups are not as good as the best starting eleven, and they are not thst good. Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven. We have never has a squad any where near that good. Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
My point was most of the injured players don’t get in the starting 11, and those that are good subs wouldn’t have changed the poor first half.
On wages probably around there, the clubs share their budgets which is why Methven is able to estimate that’s how much we’re spending.
You don’t need 20-25 top quality players. Bowyer and Powell had plenty of average players making up their squads. Other clubs weren’t jealous that we had the likes of Wagstaff, Evina, Reeves, Marshall etc.
What this squad doesn’t have is enough players who could play at Championship level. We were supposed to get they in Docherty, Campbell and so on, but they look nowhere near it.
Take your point but the more immediate problem is we don't seem to have enough players who can play at League 1 level.
Just back from game, local one for me. Frustrating game we should have won if we took some good chances. Looked pretty solid other than the goal even when Exeter were on top towards end of first half. Have to say as a fan base we are quick to turn on this team , lots of moans about hitting it long but then when we did string some passes together moans about not getting it forward. And no , i,m not saying at times it wasn't poor. First trip to valley this season coming up next, hopefully Peterborough have used up some goalscoring.
It's been the same all season, don't give anything away and then if we do concede hit it long and hope for the best. The midfield is full of the same type of player, no width and no guile, yes we should have scored but this is the worst football I've seen at Charlton in years.
I really thought that Nathan Jones was finally the answer to our problems, but how wrong I was.
His record at Luton appears to be down to luck, rather than his managerial ability. Because the real Jones showed up at Stoke, and then the same Jones arrived at Southampton. Now he is floundering once again at Charlton.
Over the past few years I have seen many, terrible games, and many appalling performances. Today’s performance was up there with the worst of them.
i just don’t know where we go from here.
I now feel that we are well and truly cursed, I think we are not getting out of this division anytime soon.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones talked about injuries but many of them realistically don’t improve that team.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
We do have injuries, but that points up is that ever season we have large squad but the back ups are not as good as the best starting eleven, and they are not thst good. Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven. We have never has a squad any where near that good. Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
My point was most of the injured players don’t get in the starting 11, and those that are good subs wouldn’t have changed the poor first half.
On wages probably around there, the clubs share their budgets which is why Methven is able to estimate that’s how much we’re spending.
You don’t need 20-25 top quality players. Bowyer and Powell had plenty of average players making up their squads. Other clubs weren’t jealous that we had the likes of Wagstaff, Evina, Reeves, Marshall etc.
What this squad doesn’t have is enough players who could play at Championship level. We were supposed to get they in Docherty, Campbell and so on, but they look nowhere near it.
Take your point but the more immediate problem is we don't seem to have enough players who can play at League 1 level.
We’re 13th, couldn’t get closer to mid table if we tried. Surely that’s the definition of a squad full of L1 players. As things stand we don’t have to worry about Championship clubs being after many of them in January or next summer.
Being a Charlton fan is like being hopelessly in love with a beautiful partner who cheats on you every weekend and sometimes on a Tuesday or Wednesday.
Look at Peterborough United. They have a tiny budget compared to ours but their scouting system is fantastic. Every season they seem to find a player or two from nowhere who scores goals for fun and they play some beautiful football at times. Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Why cant' we even come close to doing that ?
Shelvey Gomes Aribo Lookman Pope Konsa But we sell them for a quick buck.
I think majority of Charlton fans are a bit self entitled,yes many moons ago we were a premier league team for a few years, before that we were not very good , yes had our moments buy generally not very good, we are were we are, yes we’ve been owned by various morons but again we are were we are, we’ve got to stop this rot of sacking managers just because we’re not winning every game,jones is a ok manager for where we are, we are a big ish name in this league because of our history,but at the moment we’re still looking for that magic formula for success, NJ has been in post for year almost, he’s had a window that has not been brilliant but at start of season I was hopeful, we are lacking in certain areas , NJ is not an idiot, hopefully and can see where we are lacking and can hopefully improve, yes footballs not great but sacking jones is not the answer, yet!!things are not gonna change overnight, even spending millions is no guarantee, all we can hope is jones , his coaches, and our owners are all in sync and address our shortcomings, in the meantime get behind him and the team and see how things pan out.
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We are only 11 points off bottom place
Thats the reality of it. Closer to 24th than we are 2nd
And if anyone says.. ..." but Birmingham spent £15m on 1 player......."
Its Wycombe who are top.
Ivan Toney , Epohron Mason Clarke , Jack Marriot , Sammi Smodicks , Siriki Dembele , Ronnie Edwards and now they have Kwame Poku who has ten goals already this season and scored at hatrick today in a 6-1 win.
Sure they all have to move on ( for massive profits) in time but their fans get to see some lovely football.
Why cant' we even come close to doing that ?
2021/22 - W3 12pts, 2022/23 W4 19pts, 2023/24 W5 18 pts, 2024/25 W5 19 pts
No progress at all. Something for the management to think about in the next board meeting.
He said 10 players but mentioned Edun who despite not really being able to play was on the bench. He’s our 3rd choice LB/a back up CM.
Mannion isn’t going to create or score goals.
Watson is an average at best L1 player.
Aneke, a miss yes but only capable of playing 30 minutes. Doesn’t improve us in the first 60, and Jones admitted we weren’t good enough in the first half.
Turned out Anderson had an injury. Might have been better than Allan Campbell or Docherty, but Jones chose to sign them this summer.
TC’s pace is a miss, but Jones chose not to sign another winger, that’s on him. Unless you count Dixon, who couldn’t make the bench ahead of Hylton, despite Ahadme being back.
Dan Potts probably doesn’t start ahead of Gillesphey, but neither are starters is L Jones is fit.
Kanu would no doubt be in the squad, but Leaburn and Godden on paper at least is our best front two. Either way a different striker doesn’t get the FBs an midfield playing better football, other than Kanu being the best at chasing lost causes.
Jones and Ramsay were no doubt missed.
Your squad has to be made up of good quality players through out. You should look at the players not making the match day squad and know any other team would have them in their starting eleven.
We have never has a squad any where near that good.
Do I believe we are the 4th highest spenders on players in the league, no!
Towards the end of the window, NJ said he was looking to finally bring in some "real, real quality" and then he signed Alan Campbell.
NJ obviously had a 'masterplan' in his mind about how this team would play, and how the players he brought in would be a part of that system. But whatever it was – it doesn't work. I think he's misread both the system and this league. And now, with a midfield full of the exact same player, there's no clear way to improve this team before January.
On wages probably around there, the clubs share their budgets which is why Methven is able to estimate that’s how much we’re spending.
You don’t need 20-25 top quality players. Bowyer and Powell had plenty of average players making up their squads. Other clubs weren’t jealous that we had the likes of Wagstaff, Evina, Reeves, Marshall etc.
What this squad doesn’t have is enough players who could play at Championship level. We were supposed to get they in Docherty, Campbell and so on, but they look nowhere near it.
The players worked today, but there was no joined up play. Tippy tappy across the back then lump it forward.
Of course we had the chances to at least get a draw and probably take all 3 points. Trouble is May no longer plays for us, and I honestly don't think our performance warranted 3 points. Maybe one?
Leaburn has looked out of salts since his return. He is a huge talent, but his attitude doesn't look quite right, and he definitely needs to loose weight.
Chucks, when played has been very average this season.
I think Jones sets us up wrong and uses the wrong players, often in the wrong position.
Of course we need a cm play maker or two, another striker, a gk and another cb.
NJ is frustrating, and I have little confidence in him right now, but I agree that we need stability.
Edit: BTW, great numbers turned out today, but absolutely no vocal support from us, and little from Exeter. It wasn't that sort of game to get excited about, but I think it's as much the dross football served up all season. We all expect to be disappointed.
Have to say as a fan base we are quick to turn on this team , lots of moans about hitting it long but then when we did string some passes together moans about not getting it forward. And no , i,m not saying at times it wasn't poor.
First trip to valley this season coming up next, hopefully Peterborough have used up some goalscoring.
His record at Luton appears to be down to luck, rather than his managerial ability. Because the real Jones showed up at Stoke, and then the same Jones arrived at Southampton. Now he is floundering once again at Charlton.
Over the past few years I have seen many, terrible games, and many appalling performances. Today’s performance was up there with the worst of them.
i just don’t know where we go from here.
I now feel that we are well and truly cursed, I think we are not getting out of this division anytime soon.
Depressing Times.
Gomes
Aribo
Lookman
Pope
Konsa
But we sell them for a quick buck.