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Nathan Jones on being ‘absolutely abused’ by Charlton Athletic fans

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  • JohnnyH2 said:
    Half decent media training would do him the world of good. And Methven would know people who can give him that. But he's been around and other clubs must have also thought about that. He probably resists the idea. So we can expect plenty more of these volatile interviews. 
     I really don't get this. None of us can know the context but after sitting close to the dugout in one of Appletons last games I think I can make an educated guess.
    In his words he got abused by the fan base and called it out. Why does he need media training for that?
     Are you saying he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it? Why? Nobody should be personally abused. Especially when they are trying to do a job.
    As I said earlier, name me another work place where it's on?
    I'm quite astounded by some of the comments on here.
    If I thought he should just keep his mouth shut, I would say so, and not suggest media training, wouldn’t I . 
    Media interviews are a fact of football life. I’d lkke to see a curfew on them until the day after, because straight after a match is just daft, but The Audience demands it, apparently. In some countries they have started interviewing players at H-T, FFS.

    A media trainer would take that interview, together with an overview of the reactions, and ask NJ if he is disappointed with th reaction, and what he hoped would be the reaction. Then they would discuss what he could or should not have said, to get the reaction he wanted. 

    See? It’s not fucking voodoo. But the person involved has to be ready to do it. And NJ may not be the type. 

    By coincidence if you want to see what I am talking about protrayed in a TV drama about football, I’m watching a very good French serial called Trigger, which is all about the toxic mix of elite football and social media. I’m watching it on SBS, but it is Canal + so should be available elsewhere, but you need to tolerate subtitles of course. 
    Make your mind up, not so long ago you were moaning CATV were not providing interviews quick enough with the manager
    No, I wasn't moaning about that.
  • On BBC now as well - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cly3z0rjq4xo

    However you view it, it's not great publicity. 
  • jbcafc said:
    On BBC now as well - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cly3z0rjq4xo

    However you view it, it's not great publicity. 
    I'm pretty critical of Jones running his mouth (see like, three posts above), but when read in the larger context, it's mostly just standard manager stuff. As with everything he does, Jones has to be slightly more intense and like slightly more over the top than your average manager, but reading it in context and it's like "yeah, okay, whatever." BBC has just pulled out the weirdest thing he's said as the headline (which like, I get, we live in an era of clicks).
  • Jayajosh said:
    I remember Appleton getting dogs abuse after some games and I’d never felt so embarrassed by some of our fans. If you ain’t happy with a defeat just clear off and don’t clap the team, that message is fairly clear on its own. 
    Nah in that case it was justified
  • "There's been a lot of noise this week. I got abused by my own fans the other day, absolutely abused by my own fans, who questioned our selections," he said.

    As Jones COMPLETELY changed the formation and tactics for Birmingham, and much of the team selection, that surely suggests that the fans were correct to criticise him. I don't agree with abuse, but this is football, not a normal workplace. Jones "abuses" officials, and has the yellow cards to prove it.

    He's not a first time manager, we're his 4th club and 5th managerial spell. He makes it sound like fans abusing the manager after 3 BAD defeats is somehow unique.
    I support Jones (in case of doubt) but you're quite right he's a £$%£$%£ hypocrite. 
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  • edited October 8
    I think we should probably leave it there. The major problem as I see it is his choice of words and conflating two different things. If he has been verbally abused to a level which is over the top, he is absolutely right to call it out. Surely fans picking the team and questioning selections and playing styles is as Airman alluded to, what fans do when the team is struggling. That is part of football. 

    Results wise, Jones has been looking back at what he has done since coming in and is expecting more trust and credit. That may be fair enough but ultimately a club of our stature should not be at this level. We have been here far too long, whuch is not Jones' fault, but losing to crap teams we should be beating three times in succession is going to garner a negative response whatever club and whichever manager is in charge. 
  • Is there any set of fans at any club that doesn’t try to pick a better team when faced with poor performances?
    None that are collectively as knowledgeable about all things football as Charlton fans…a manager that repeated the error of picking the wrong player(s) and couldn’t work out why the gameplan wasn’t working is lucky to have us 😁
  • Let's face it, compared to Michael Appleton I'm glad we've got a manager that actually gives a fuck, I have zero problems with him being passionate. 
    Him being passionate is not a problem. When he has a problem with the fans also being passionate then that's the bit I take issue with.

    Obviously there's a distinction between actual abuse and people being upset or angry at performances that were plain bad.
  • edited October 8
    He's showing his naivety with those comments, after calling out Krystian Bielik for the same thing. One common denominator in the successful Powell and Bowyer seasons was fans, players and management all being united. A better manager would be looking to unite, not divide. 
  • edited October 8
    Is there any set of fans at any club that doesn’t try to pick a better team when faced with poor performances?
    Of course not, and it was ever thus. But the culture has changed, very much for the worse. 
    I’m talking about getting in someone’s face to abuse them, not booing from the stands etc. 
  • Let’s face it, if it wasn’t an international break we’d already have moved on to tonight’s game and it wouldn’t have been picked up by the bbc. People were giving it large to him at Bristol Rovers, he’s spoken before about people who sit behind the dugout constantly digging him out and he was probably having a big rush of emotion. He probably does need to chill out a bit before interviews but it’s nowhere near the big thing it’s being made out to be. 
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  • Is this a “come and get me Cardiff “???
  • Let's face it, compared to Michael Appleton I'm glad we've got a manager that actually gives a fuck, I have zero problems with him being passionate. 
    exactly, he's a bit of a loon.....but he's our loon, I think it's great he's got a bit of personality and is prepared to give it back a bit
  • He's showing his naivety with those comments, after calling out Krystian Bielik for the same thing. One common denominator in the successful Powell and Bowyer seasons was fans, players and management all being united. A better manager would be looking to unite, not divide. 
    I’m sure if we looked back there were probably questionable comments from Bowyer at least in his promotion season. No manager will answer every question perfectly over a long season.
  • edited October 8
    Let's face it, compared to Michael Appleton I'm glad we've got a manager that actually gives a fuck, I have zero problems with him being passionate. 
    exactly, he's a bit of a loon.....but he's our loon, I think it's great he's got a bit of personality and is prepared to give it back a bit

    I agree EA.
    I believe he should give it back but make clear it's a small number of abusers; criticism is par for the course and 8 out of 10 ugly performances needed some explaining in the depth of League 1 🤔 
    As many on CL know if they have a strong character as a partner and not a doormat the relationship can be stormy ! 
    CAFC, Welsh biblical fireball manager came with a warning ! Let's not act surprised.
  • Scoham said:
    He's showing his naivety with those comments, after calling out Krystian Bielik for the same thing. One common denominator in the successful Powell and Bowyer seasons was fans, players and management all being united. A better manager would be looking to unite, not divide. 
    I’m sure if we looked back there were probably questionable comments from Bowyer at least in his promotion season. No manager will answer every question perfectly over a long season.
    I don't remember that in that season, but the following seasons were a different matter, when he obviously wasn't coping with all the stuff (off as well as on the field). The interview where he hung Conor Washington out to dry was particularly excruciating.
  • Scoham said:
    He's showing his naivety with those comments, after calling out Krystian Bielik for the same thing. One common denominator in the successful Powell and Bowyer seasons was fans, players and management all being united. A better manager would be looking to unite, not divide. 
    I’m sure if we looked back there were probably questionable comments from Bowyer at least in his promotion season. No manager will answer every question perfectly over a long season.
    I don't remember that in that season, but the following seasons were a different matter, when he obviously wasn't coping with all the stuff (off as well as on the field). The interview where he hung Conor Washington out to dry was particularly excruciating.
    He was quite fond of criticising players in public towards the end, didn't he have a go at Morgan about his fitness at one point too?
  • edited October 8
    Why are people being so sensitive? Take it on the chin, nobody is perfect.
    I am.
    Always one ain't there...🙄
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