Some fans, whether we like it or not, can be and are toxic. Not just with NJ, but with anyone who they think is worth a 'pop' at. When I was able to get to The Valley, and had a ST for the NW upper, some of the 'vitriol' aimed at individual players, management, and others connected with the club was, for me quite embarrassing. Yes, I'm old school, I want CAFC to do well, I want us to get promoted, sooner rather than later (due to my health), I want to watch attractive winning football. However having supported this club since 1960 I also remember, sadly, how badly we've been run since circa 2010. We now have new ownership, who seem to be interested in moving us forward. I welcomed the appointment of NJ, he's the best we could get, and I believe he will achieve success with us, but there will be 'blips'. The previous 3 losses were not good, but it's going to happen. Yes we can voice our opinion, but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and having heard what I did previously aimed at players I can well believe it's happened again. We live in a world now where instant success is not only demanded it's expected! God knows how the 'fans' of today would have coped with the team in the 60's, 70's and 80's, we were at times absolutely dire! Let's get some patience back. We know NJ wears his 'heart on his sleeve', but we'll not get a better manager. CAFC motto is Live, Love, Laugh and Be Happy. The minority, I guess, will continue to abuse, it's their nature, the majority hopefully will show their support. We are one unique club, let's all pull together.
He wasn't booed badly. I think there are degrees. In the case of Kermogant, he was cheered as much as any home player has been whilst he scored a hat-trick against us. Ultimately, May was offered silly money to join Birmingham and he is a player in his 30s who has never played higher than this level. He was only with us for a season which played a part. I suspect hardly any of us blame him and when his career his over, he will be welcome back to the Valley.
It's ridiculous. Grown men frothing at the mouth to another human being. "It's football. Pay me money, Can say what I f******g like" You'll hear them chirp Remind me again what other working environment in the UK would any sort of vocal abuse be allowed let alone the kind of vitriol that is served up week after week to football players and managers? The bloke is there to do a job. Having some buffoon wallowing obscenities at you the whole time you're trying to do it must make it almost impossible. I get it's hard to police a whole stadium but there's no reason a couple of security guards can't be stationed next to every dugout who can turf out these clowns when they over step the mark. Times have changed. It's not on.
On I assume near minimum wage that seems unlikely to me. We aren’t a club that has such routine bad behaviour that seems to require much more than stewarding.
I’d have thought that generally peer pressure from fellow supporters keeps it in check / within normal boundaries in the context of a football atmosphere. I assume the seats near our dugouts are mostly long term season ticket holders.
Peer pressure?
When was the last time you saw that being effective at a match?
As in each area of the ground finds its own level.
West stand often cited as those with flasks for example.
Most other things / events are exceptional and not a trend.
I think Jones shouldn’t have bothered going after the treatment after the game, but I also do think you have to consider it from his non-traumatised perspective. We’ve seen too much. For the past 17 years we’ve been an absolute basket case and it’s got progressively worse. I think we’ve had 3 good seasons in that time and even then there was weird stuff going on behind the scenes. We’re used to everything being terrible and any good moment suddenly being ripped away and some more humiliating nonsense happening to us. We now expect the absolute worst and we’re on a hair trigger. Losing 3 games in a row and not playing very well so far this season set people to 11 very quickly.
If you’re Jones though, you’d be absolutely mystified. Come in to a team that hasn’t won in 12 games and is set for relegation, get results off Bolton and Pompey, finally get a win off Derby and proceed to lose only the first and last games of his season. Bring in a massively different team playing a very specific way over the summer, see the team be a little slow to adapt and have a couple of setbacks but still be very much in the promotion conversation after 10 games and get an absolute mouthful from fans. If you’ve not got nearly two decades of context for that you’d probably feel a bit put out to be fair. As far as he’s concerned we’re screaming at him for putting the heating on because he doesn’t know our entire family was killed by a radiator. He’d still do well to keep it too himself but I bet he’s perplexed. We aren’t well. We need CBT, but not the winger.
Never knew we had no many qualified psychologist on here
Well apparently we have 36 psychology professionals per 100k population in the UK. What does that mean: do we have 20k members here? If so there should be around 7.
(As an aside, contrary to popular belief, the USA is not the shrink capital of the world. That honour goes to Argentina, a country that has 222 psychology professionals per 100k population.)
I have listened To the interview this morning on Charlton
Live and a couple of things I took from it.
Hearing
to I don’t think it was as bad as it sounds in text
I
think it was more a message to those inside the club as much as anything,
I still think there is power struggle and the comment about other people
picking the side let him know and he will go but let him know quick was
interesting as cant see how that can be aimed at fans.
I think Jones shouldn’t have bothered going after the treatment after the game, but I also do think you have to consider it from his non-traumatised perspective. We’ve seen too much. For the past 17 years we’ve been an absolute basket case and it’s got progressively worse. I think we’ve had 3 good seasons in that time and even then there was weird stuff going on behind the scenes. We’re used to everything being terrible and any good moment suddenly being ripped away and some more humiliating nonsense happening to us. We now expect the absolute worst and we’re on a hair trigger. Losing 3 games in a row and not playing very well so far this season set people to 11 very quickly.
If you’re Jones though, you’d be absolutely mystified. Come in to a team that hasn’t won in 12 games and is set for relegation, get results off Bolton and Pompey, finally get a win off Derby and proceed to lose only the first and last games of his season. Bring in a massively different team playing a very specific way over the summer, see the team be a little slow to adapt and have a couple of setbacks but still be very much in the promotion conversation after 10 games and get an absolute mouthful from fans. If you’ve not got nearly two decades of context for that you’d probably feel a bit put out to be fair. As far as he’s concerned we’re screaming at him for putting the heating on because he doesn’t know our entire family was killed by a radiator. He’d still do well to keep it too himself but I bet he’s perplexed. We aren’t well. We need CBT, but not the winger.
If jones doesn't understand what we've been through, nobody will... he's hardly new to all things Charlton.
But I think that's exactly the point. He can understand up to a certain level, he might know the history and be familiar with the characters but I really do think you have to have lived it to really understand why our fanbase is always one loud noise away from a meltdown. I can still remember the feeling of having that 11/12 season and then finding out over the summer that we suddenly had no money again. I can remember the crushing slide down to League One just a few years after we were beating Liverpool in the Premier League. I remember where I was when I read that Roland had taken over, I remember the 'Roland Duchatelet doesn't understand football' thread that came soon after from a Standard Liege fan, I remember Yohann Thuram, Thomas Driesen, sacking Powell, Guy Luzon, Karel Fraeye, so so nearly Nobby Vinegar, security personnel assaulting fans while Katrien Meire smirked out of a window, the Australian done deal, 13 match winless runs, Russell Slade's patience, Matt Southall's super-duper phone, a secret transfer embargo, our best player refusing to play for us, relegation again, Chris Farnell and the other Paul Elliott, finding out a sympathetic Romanian lawyer was the only person who actually seemed to want to keep the club alive, Sandgaard's interest, a public injunction hearing, the takeover finally happening and it devolving into guitar solos, sacking loyal staff, signing cheap players and being told running a football club 'isn't that hard' as we sank to our lowest ever finishes. Good Adkins, bad Adkins, Charlie Kirk, eternal injury lists, Martin Sandgaard, Raelynn running HR illegally for some reason, Ben Garner's League Two lucky dip, the American binman's abortive takeover, the Methven wars, finally a new shadowy takeover followed by happy Holden, sad Holden, Bad Appleton's hands in his pockets and finally a new manager brought in so we don't get relegated to League Two.
Half of that doesn't make sense to me and I lived it! I've likely missed some absolutely insane stuff that I've blocked out as well. You're exactly right, unless one of us takes over the manager's job I don't think there's anyone on earth who can honestly understand why we're the way we are. I think it might have ruined my life.
Never knew we had no many qualified psychologist on here
Well apparently we have 36 psychology professionals per 100k population in the UK. What does that mean: do we have 20k members here? If so there should be around 7.
(As an aside, contrary to popular belief, the USA is not the shrink capital of the world. That honour goes to Argentina, a country that has 222 psychology professionals per 100k population.)
I think Jones shouldn’t have bothered going after the treatment after the game, but I also do think you have to consider it from his non-traumatised perspective. We’ve seen too much. For the past 17 years we’ve been an absolute basket case and it’s got progressively worse. I think we’ve had 3 good seasons in that time and even then there was weird stuff going on behind the scenes. We’re used to everything being terrible and any good moment suddenly being ripped away and some more humiliating nonsense happening to us. We now expect the absolute worst and we’re on a hair trigger. Losing 3 games in a row and not playing very well so far this season set people to 11 very quickly.
If you’re Jones though, you’d be absolutely mystified. Come in to a team that hasn’t won in 12 games and is set for relegation, get results off Bolton and Pompey, finally get a win off Derby and proceed to lose only the first and last games of his season. Bring in a massively different team playing a very specific way over the summer, see the team be a little slow to adapt and have a couple of setbacks but still be very much in the promotion conversation after 10 games and get an absolute mouthful from fans. If you’ve not got nearly two decades of context for that you’d probably feel a bit put out to be fair. As far as he’s concerned we’re screaming at him for putting the heating on because he doesn’t know our entire family was killed by a radiator. He’d still do well to keep it too himself but I bet he’s perplexed. We aren’t well. We need CBT, but not the winger.
If jones doesn't understand what we've been through, nobody will... he's hardly new to all things Charlton.
But I think that's exactly the point. He can understand up to a certain level, he might know the history and be familiar with the characters but I really do think you have to have lived it to really understand why our fanbase is always one loud noise away from a meltdown. I can still remember the feeling of having that 11/12 season and then finding out over the summer that we suddenly had no money again. I can remember the crushing slide down to League One just a few years after we were beating Liverpool in the Premier League. I remember where I was when I read that Roland had taken over, I remember the 'Roland Duchatelet doesn't understand football' thread that came soon after from a Standard Liege fan, I remember Yohann Thuram, Thomas Driesen, sacking Powell, Guy Luzon, Karel Fraeye, so so nearly Nobby Vinegar, security personnel assaulting fans while Katrien Meire smirked out of a window, the Australian done deal, 13 match winless runs, Russell Slade's patience, Matt Southall's super-duper phone, a secret transfer embargo, our best player refusing to play for us, relegation again, Chris Farnell and the other Paul Elliott, finding out a sympathetic Romanian lawyer was the only person who actually seemed to want to keep the club alive, Sandgaard's interest, a public injunction hearing, the takeover finally happening and it devolving into guitar solos, sacking loyal staff, signing cheap players and being told running a football club 'isn't that hard' as we sank to our lowest ever finishes. Good Adkins, bad Adkins, Charlie Kirk, eternal injury lists, Martin Sandgaard, Raelynn running HR illegally for some reason, Ben Garner's League Two lucky dip, the American binman's abortive takeover, the Methven wars, finally a new shadowy takeover followed by happy Holden, sad Holden, Bad Appleton's hands in his pockets and finally a new manager brought in so we don't get relegated to League Two.
Half of that doesn't make sense to me and I lived it! I've likely missed some absolutely insane stuff that I've blocked out as well. You're exactly right, unless one of us takes over the manager's job I don't think there's anyone on earth who can honestly understand why we're the way we are. I think it might have ruined my life.
Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.
Bar a few exceptions, Kinsella, Kermorgant etc. We most always do this to ex players whether they deserve it or not. Weird.
Off the top of my head since the 90s we have great welcome back to the following players
Shirtliff Williams (for Wenesday) Minto Bowyer (for England U21, went downhill at Leeds and West Ham) Lee Barness Allen Kinsella Kiely Kishishev Kermogant Wagstaff Phillips Morriston
I think Jones shouldn’t have bothered going after the treatment after the game, but I also do think you have to consider it from his non-traumatised perspective. We’ve seen too much. For the past 17 years we’ve been an absolute basket case and it’s got progressively worse. I think we’ve had 3 good seasons in that time and even then there was weird stuff going on behind the scenes. We’re used to everything being terrible and any good moment suddenly being ripped away and some more humiliating nonsense happening to us. We now expect the absolute worst and we’re on a hair trigger. Losing 3 games in a row and not playing very well so far this season set people to 11 very quickly.
If you’re Jones though, you’d be absolutely mystified. Come in to a team that hasn’t won in 12 games and is set for relegation, get results off Bolton and Pompey, finally get a win off Derby and proceed to lose only the first and last games of his season. Bring in a massively different team playing a very specific way over the summer, see the team be a little slow to adapt and have a couple of setbacks but still be very much in the promotion conversation after 10 games and get an absolute mouthful from fans. If you’ve not got nearly two decades of context for that you’d probably feel a bit put out to be fair. As far as he’s concerned we’re screaming at him for putting the heating on because he doesn’t know our entire family was killed by a radiator. He’d still do well to keep it too himself but I bet he’s perplexed. We aren’t well. We need CBT, but not the winger.
If jones doesn't understand what we've been through, nobody will... he's hardly new to all things Charlton.
But I think that's exactly the point. He can understand up to a certain level, he might know the history and be familiar with the characters but I really do think you have to have lived it to really understand why our fanbase is always one loud noise away from a meltdown. I can still remember the feeling of having that 11/12 season and then finding out over the summer that we suddenly had no money again. I can remember the crushing slide down to League One just a few years after we were beating Liverpool in the Premier League. I remember where I was when I read that Roland had taken over, I remember the 'Roland Duchatelet doesn't understand football' thread that came soon after from a Standard Liege fan, I remember Yohann Thuram, Thomas Driesen, sacking Powell, Guy Luzon, Karel Fraeye, so so nearly Nobby Vinegar, security personnel assaulting fans while Katrien Meire smirked out of a window, the Australian done deal, 13 match winless runs, Russell Slade's patience, Matt Southall's super-duper phone, a secret transfer embargo, our best player refusing to play for us, relegation again, Chris Farnell and the other Paul Elliott, finding out a sympathetic Romanian lawyer was the only person who actually seemed to want to keep the club alive, Sandgaard's interest, a public injunction hearing, the takeover finally happening and it devolving into guitar solos, sacking loyal staff, signing cheap players and being told running a football club 'isn't that hard' as we sank to our lowest ever finishes. Good Adkins, bad Adkins, Charlie Kirk, eternal injury lists, Martin Sandgaard, Raelynn running HR illegally for some reason, Ben Garner's League Two lucky dip, the American binman's abortive takeover, the Methven wars, finally a new shadowy takeover followed by happy Holden, sad Holden, Bad Appleton's hands in his pockets and finally a new manager brought in so we don't get relegated to League Two.
Half of that doesn't make sense to me and I lived it! I've likely missed some absolutely insane stuff that I've blocked out as well. You're exactly right, unless one of us takes over the manager's job I don't think there's anyone on earth who can honestly understand why we're the way we are. I think it might have ruined my life.
Think Charlie Kirk probably deserves to be mentioned twice on this list.
Half decent media training would do him the world of good. And Methven would know people who can give him that. But he's been around and other clubs must have also thought about that. He probably resists the idea. So we can expect plenty more of these volatile interviews.
I really don't get this. None of us can know the context but after sitting close to the dugout in one of Appletons last games I think I can make an educated guess. In his words he got abused by the fan base and called it out. Why does he need media training for that? Are you saying he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it? Why? Nobody should be personally abused. Especially when they are trying to do a job. As I said earlier, name me another work place where it's on? I'm quite astounded by some of the comments on here.
If I thought he should just keep his mouth shut, I would say so, and not suggest media training, wouldn’t I .
Media interviews are a fact of football life. I’d lkke to see a curfew on them until the day after, because straight after a match is just daft, but The Audience demands it, apparently. In some countries they have started interviewing players at H-T, FFS.
A media trainer would take that interview, together with an overview of the reactions, and ask NJ if he is disappointed with th reaction, and what he hoped would be the reaction. Then they would discuss what he could or should not have said, to get the reaction he wanted.
See? It’s not fucking voodoo. But the person involved has to be ready to do it. And NJ may not be the type.
By coincidence if you want to see what I am talking about protrayed in a TV drama about football, I’m watching a very good French serial called Trigger, which is all about the toxic mix of elite football and social media. I’m watching it on SBS, but it is Canal + so should be available elsewhere, but you need to tolerate subtitles of course.
I mean let's be honest, he's a nutter, but he's our nutter, and hopefully will be our long term manager.
He did receive abuse at Bristol, saw it with my own two, middle fingers, wanker hand signs, being told to eff off etc. It was completely out of order less than 10 games in.
I don't mind him at all having a pop back, if it works for him mentally, and helps achieve us promotion, go for it. I don't want a nice manager that says the right things and doesn't move us forwards, I'll take a manager with a bit of sting that makes us a proper team again.
He also deserves credit for not being stubborn, and changing the formation and personnel when things weren't working. We have seen some manager sabotage us in that sense.
Thought Dillon Phillips had a nice welcome back - some really light hearted banter with the covered end but got a good round of applause when he took his place in goal at the start of the second half.
I think Jones should work on either speaking coherently on a subject matter, or saying as little as possible/nothing on the matter.
It certainly doesn't help that many of his comments/digs are deliberately veiled and not specific.
He obviously think it a good idea, but in doing so it probably has a negative effect on a whole swathe of an unitended audience.
If you've got a problem with Scott, stop dropping snidey comments in the media. Speak to Scott and Rodwell. If it's not Scott stop hinting that it is.
If you've got a problem with certain fans, say that it's a very small minority of away fans that gestured, swore and abused me or fans behind the dug out (as possible culprits). Don't say people at the club and Charlton fans because you've just taken a swipe at 20,000 fans when there were possibly 50 at fault.
I think Jones shouldn’t have bothered going after the treatment after the game, but I also do think you have to consider it from his non-traumatised perspective. We’ve seen too much. For the past 17 years we’ve been an absolute basket case and it’s got progressively worse. I think we’ve had 3 good seasons in that time and even then there was weird stuff going on behind the scenes. We’re used to everything being terrible and any good moment suddenly being ripped away and some more humiliating nonsense happening to us. We now expect the absolute worst and we’re on a hair trigger. Losing 3 games in a row and not playing very well so far this season set people to 11 very quickly.
If you’re Jones though, you’d be absolutely mystified. Come in to a team that hasn’t won in 12 games and is set for relegation, get results off Bolton and Pompey, finally get a win off Derby and proceed to lose only the first and last games of his season. Bring in a massively different team playing a very specific way over the summer, see the team be a little slow to adapt and have a couple of setbacks but still be very much in the promotion conversation after 10 games and get an absolute mouthful from fans. If you’ve not got nearly two decades of context for that you’d probably feel a bit put out to be fair. As far as he’s concerned we’re screaming at him for putting the heating on because he doesn’t know our entire family was killed by a radiator. He’d still do well to keep it too himself but I bet he’s perplexed. We aren’t well. We need CBT, but not the winger.
If jones doesn't understand what we've been through, nobody will... he's hardly new to all things Charlton.
But I think that's exactly the point. He can understand up to a certain level, he might know the history and be familiar with the characters but I really do think you have to have lived it to really understand why our fanbase is always one loud noise away from a meltdown. I can still remember the feeling of having that 11/12 season and then finding out over the summer that we suddenly had no money again. I can remember the crushing slide down to League One just a few years after we were beating Liverpool in the Premier League. I remember where I was when I read that Roland had taken over, I remember the 'Roland Duchatelet doesn't understand football' thread that came soon after from a Standard Liege fan, I remember Yohann Thuram, Thomas Driesen, sacking Powell, Guy Luzon, Karel Fraeye, so so nearly Nobby Vinegar, security personnel assaulting fans while Katrien Meire smirked out of a window, the Australian done deal, 13 match winless runs, Russell Slade's patience, Matt Southall's super-duper phone, a secret transfer embargo, our best player refusing to play for us, relegation again, Chris Farnell and the other Paul Elliott, finding out a sympathetic Romanian lawyer was the only person who actually seemed to want to keep the club alive, Sandgaard's interest, a public injunction hearing, the takeover finally happening and it devolving into guitar solos, sacking loyal staff, signing cheap players and being told running a football club 'isn't that hard' as we sank to our lowest ever finishes. Good Adkins, bad Adkins, Charlie Kirk, eternal injury lists, Martin Sandgaard, Raelynn running HR illegally for some reason, Ben Garner's League Two lucky dip, the American binman's abortive takeover, the Methven wars, finally a new shadowy takeover followed by happy Holden, sad Holden, Bad Appleton's hands in his pockets and finally a new manager brought in so we don't get relegated to League Two.
Half of that doesn't make sense to me and I lived it! I've likely missed some absolutely insane stuff that I've blocked out as well. You're exactly right, unless one of us takes over the manager's job I don't think there's anyone on earth who can honestly understand why we're the way we are. I think it might have ruined my life.
Wow, what a great post, what we have gone through in a relative short period of time. No wonder being a Charlton fan is akin to needing phsyciatric help!
A few weeks ago some of our supporters gave Steve Bruce some vile abuse over Blackpool tactics to cling onto 3 points. If we had done the same it would have been lauded as wonderful shithousery.
I could not hear what was said but saw the hand gestures in person toward Nathan last week down at Bristol.
Nathan was more caring and braver than most managers out there would be for approaching the travelling fanbase putting his hand up to apologise and point to his chest indicating it was on him.
He was then beckoned over, having shared that apology and given a strong negative reaction (but again I could not hear the words, only see the animated arms and finger pointing).
If I were him, I would not have walked toward those beckoning him over, as he had done what he needed to do, nor would I be bothered what any of them had to say. The bloke knows what he is doing and doesn’t need our unqualified musings to get his job done. It was a shit night and result, we all knew that, but thank God one or even three games in this league are not season defining.
I was actually more interested in what he learnt internally last week? Did one or more in the SMT or Board ranks share more than NJ would have cared tor? Perhaps, we will never know…
Half decent media training would do him the world of good. And Methven would know people who can give him that. But he's been around and other clubs must have also thought about that. He probably resists the idea. So we can expect plenty more of these volatile interviews.
I really don't get this. None of us can know the context but after sitting close to the dugout in one of Appletons last games I think I can make an educated guess. In his words he got abused by the fan base and called it out. Why does he need media training for that? Are you saying he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it? Why? Nobody should be personally abused. Especially when they are trying to do a job. As I said earlier, name me another work place where it's on? I'm quite astounded by some of the comments on here.
If I thought he should just keep his mouth shut, I would say so, and not suggest media training, wouldn’t I .
Media interviews are a fact of football life. I’d lkke to see a curfew on them until the day after, because straight after a match is just daft, but The Audience demands it, apparently. In some countries they have started interviewing players at H-T, FFS.
A media trainer would take that interview, together with an overview of the reactions, and ask NJ if he is disappointed with th reaction, and what he hoped would be the reaction. Then they would discuss what he could or should not have said, to get the reaction he wanted.
See? It’s not fucking voodoo. But the person involved has to be ready to do it. And NJ may not be the type.
By coincidence if you want to see what I am talking about protrayed in a TV drama about football, I’m watching a very good French serial called Trigger, which is all about the toxic mix of elite football and social media. I’m watching it on SBS, but it is Canal + so should be available elsewhere, but you need to tolerate subtitles of course.
Make your mind up, not so long ago you were moaning CATV were not providing interviews quick enough with the manager
Half decent media training would do him the world of good. And Methven would know people who can give him that. But he's been around and other clubs must have also thought about that. He probably resists the idea. So we can expect plenty more of these volatile interviews.
Most definitely
When he " gets up a head of steam" all sorts of things come out and once they are out he has to own them. We are all for passion but it's very easy to see how he can fall out with people. He is an experienced manager ,well paid and he should know himself better.
Half decent media training would do him the world of good. And Methven would know people who can give him that. But he's been around and other clubs must have also thought about that. He probably resists the idea. So we can expect plenty more of these volatile interviews.
I really don't get this. None of us can know the context but after sitting close to the dugout in one of Appletons last games I think I can make an educated guess. In his words he got abused by the fan base and called it out. Why does he need media training for that? Are you saying he should keep his mouth shut and just get on with it? Why? Nobody should be personally abused. Especially when they are trying to do a job. As I said earlier, name me another work place where it's on? I'm quite astounded by some of the comments on here.
I suspect he has had media training, I don't think in this day and age a Premiership manager would get away with dodging it. Just because you have training does not mean you will do what it says. From bitter experience I can testify that once that red mist comes down, training can go out of the window, even with justification.
You must excuse our fans NJ, including me, for being angry with you over those three defeats. You have given us so much hope, just to have it taken away by three terrible performances. After the Brum game, I have hope again. I know we will lose more games, but it is how we do it. These fans have been through all the promises and let downs over the last few years, we just need positivity.
I think Jones should work on either speaking coherently on a subject matter, or saying as little as possible/nothing on the matter.
It certainly doesn't help that many of his comments/digs are deliberately veiled and not specific.
He obviously think it a good idea, but in doing so it probably has a negative effect on a whole swathe of an unitended audience.
If you've got a problem with Scott, stop dropping snidey comments in the media. Speak to Scott and Rodwell. If it's not Scott stop hinting that it is.
If you've got a problem with certain fans, say that it's a very small minority of away fans that gestured, swore and abused me or fans behind the dug out (as possible culprits). Don't say people at the club and Charlton fans because you've just taken a swipe at 20,000 fans when there were possibly 50 at fault.
All seems a bit unecessary exaggerated to me. The team has been awful in recent games and when that happens, sometimes fans have a bit of a vent. That’s football and happens at every club. He knows that, he’s been in the game long enough. Charlton’s fan base is far from being the most toxic so let’s not kick ourselves too much.
The fans were singing his name at Stevenage and again before and at the start of the game yesterday.
He’s a chippy fella, reckon he must fall out with people all the time. Digging out fans after a spell of the team being universally awful just seemed an unnecessary move to me, but hey ho, that’s his character
Agree with this.
Thought this comment yesterday was unnecessary, and his whole demeanour in that post match (looking at the floor, biting his nails) was bizarre.
He's such a drama queen. I bet he loves this. He loves "having a point to prove" and "getting a chance to shove it in peoples' faces."
Said it before, will say it again, if he were 20% less weird, he'd be coaching far above our level. The best I can hope for is that he's our weirdo, and that he doesn't completely implode by Thanksgiving (end of November).
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When I was able to get to The Valley, and had a ST for the NW upper, some of the 'vitriol' aimed at individual players, management, and others connected with the club was, for me quite embarrassing. Yes, I'm old school, I want CAFC to do well, I want us to get promoted, sooner rather than later (due to my health), I want to watch attractive winning football.
However having supported this club since 1960 I also remember, sadly, how badly we've been run since circa 2010.
We now have new ownership, who seem to be interested in moving us forward. I welcomed the appointment of NJ, he's the best we could get, and I believe he will achieve success with us, but there will be 'blips'. The previous 3 losses were not good, but it's going to happen. Yes we can voice our opinion, but there is a line that shouldn't be crossed, and having heard what I did previously aimed at players I can well believe it's happened again.
We live in a world now where instant success is not only demanded it's expected! God knows how the 'fans' of today would have coped with the team in the 60's, 70's and 80's, we were at times absolutely dire!
Let's get some patience back. We know NJ wears his 'heart on his sleeve', but we'll not get a better manager.
CAFC motto is Live, Love, Laugh and Be Happy. The minority, I guess, will continue to abuse, it's their nature, the majority hopefully will show their support.
We are one unique club, let's all pull together.
(As an aside, contrary to popular belief, the USA is not the shrink capital of the world. That honour goes to Argentina, a country that has 222 psychology professionals per 100k population.)
I have listened To the interview this morning on Charlton Live and a couple of things I took from it.
Half of that doesn't make sense to me and I lived it! I've likely missed some absolutely insane stuff that I've blocked out as well. You're exactly right, unless one of us takes over the manager's job I don't think there's anyone on earth who can honestly understand why we're the way we are. I think it might have ruined my life.
This is classic CL
Here’s a fraction of that (the RD years) in song form. It’s better than “Addicks to Victory” and funnier too.
Shirtliff
Williams (for Wenesday)
Minto
Bowyer (for England U21, went downhill at Leeds and West Ham)
Lee
Barness
Allen
Kinsella
Kiely
Kishishev
Kermogant
Wagstaff
Phillips
Morriston
Probably a better ratio than a lot of clubs
A media trainer would take that interview, together with an overview of the reactions, and ask NJ if he is disappointed with th reaction, and what he hoped would be the reaction. Then they would discuss what he could or should not have said, to get the reaction he wanted.
He did receive abuse at Bristol, saw it with my own two, middle fingers, wanker hand signs, being told to eff off etc. It was completely out of order less than 10 games in.
I don't mind him at all having a pop back, if it works for him mentally, and helps achieve us promotion, go for it. I don't want a nice manager that says the right things and doesn't move us forwards, I'll take a manager with a bit of sting that makes us a proper team again.
He also deserves credit for not being stubborn, and changing the formation and personnel when things weren't working. We have seen some manager sabotage us in that sense.
Well done super Nathan Jonesy
It certainly doesn't help that many of his comments/digs are deliberately veiled and not specific.
He obviously think it a good idea, but in doing so it probably has a negative effect on a whole swathe of an unitended audience.
If you've got a problem with Scott, stop dropping snidey comments in the media.
Speak to Scott and Rodwell. If it's not Scott stop hinting that it is.
If you've got a problem with certain fans, say that it's a very small minority of away fans that gestured, swore and abused me or fans behind the dug out (as possible culprits).
Don't say people at the club and Charlton fans because you've just taken a swipe at 20,000 fans when there were possibly 50 at fault.
He was then beckoned over, having shared that apology and given a strong negative reaction (but again I could not hear the words, only see the animated arms and finger pointing).
Onwards and upwards!
When he " gets up a head of steam" all sorts of things come out and once they are out he has to own them. We are all for passion but it's very easy to see how he can fall out with people. He is an experienced manager ,well paid and he should know himself better.
After the Brum game, I have hope again. I know we will lose more games, but it is how we do it.
These fans have been through all the promises and let downs over the last few years, we just need positivity.
Said it before, will say it again, if he were 20% less weird, he'd be coaching far above our level. The best I can hope for is that he's our weirdo, and that he doesn't completely implode by Thanksgiving (end of November).