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Nathan Jones on being ‘absolutely abused’ by Charlton Athletic fans

Danny AddickDanny Addick
in General Charlton
I’m sure this will be divisive but I want to say it anyway. In my opinion, fans lose all credibility when they abuse players or managers. Moan all you want, you pay your money and football is a game of opinions after all, but never abuse. Give feedback, say he was wrong, say he’s awful but don’t swear and abuse him. Grow up. 

Adults screaming abuse at a man because he lost games of football? Seriously?
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  • Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas
    Goodness knows the age of the fan giving out the abuse, and whether he was around.

    But I guess he wouldn’t have been to happy when Curbs was in charge, (imo our greatest ever manager in living history) set  a premier league record at the time by losing 8 consecutive matches in a row, I reckon he’d self combust!

    The fan I meant, not Curbs.
  • Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas
    I wonder if said fan would have the balls to come on here and defend himself?
  • Mendonca In AsdasMendonca In Asdas
    edited October 6
    Sillybilly said:
    It’s a strange one this. Obviously we don’t know the “abuse” he is talking about and if he has been genuinely abused then that is, of course, out of order. I am not a Jones fan and I have been open about that. And I have been deeply critical of both the absolute shyte he has served us up thus far this season with the odd exception and his demeanour/communications which I think are in danger of setting him up for ridicule. But I like to think that I stay the right side of the line. He got it spot on/got lucky (delete as appropriate) and deserves the plaudits. But one swallow and all that…..Yesterday put me in my place for a while and I’m genuinely pleased about that. But I’m not reaching for the humble pie until I see yesterday repeated consistently and until NJ winds his neck in a bit. 
    Agh, so it was you Silly Billy! 😂 
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  • Todds_right_hookTodds_right_hook
    edited October 6
    se9addick said:
    Booing Alfie May yesterday felt particularly brain dead.
    Was it? Did Alfie May get a kick all game? Let’s make it nice and easy for him and then kiss and cuddle him if he scores! I liked Alfie May in a Charlton shirt and appreciate what he achieved. Yesterday he wasn’t in a Charlton shirt and for those 90 mins, hero status goes and and the only thing that matters are three points

    I was talking to an ex Millwall player once and he said that Millwall arrive at the valley knowing that there will not be an atmosphere of hate towards them. He said that at the den, millwall could smell the fear 

    when was the last time we won at Millwall, when was the last time they won here?

    abusing a manager after a bad run is brain dead. Making life uncomfortable for the opposition is par for the course.

    how many wickets did Shane warne get by getting in the batsman’s head by sledging. Is that brain dead?
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    Which will happen but the team has to give fans something to get behind. As it did, and some, yesterday. That is the game as it is.
  • GribboGribbo
    edited October 6
    Noticed he said something about finding out about certain people over the last couple of weeks. Sure he meant with the players and having the character to pick them selves up, but reckon he was also aiming it at some criticism they'd received from other quarters n all
  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    edited October 6
    I hate listening to his conferences, win or lose. There is a simple solution to that. I now avoid them. But that doesn't matter, his job is to gain performances and results like yesterday and if he does that consistently, we will all be happy. If he doesn't and starts Watson over Ramsay maybe a few of us will make observations!
  • jimmymelrosejimmymelrose
    edited October 6
    It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.

    I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years. 

    Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
    Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!

    Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?

    Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
    Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.

    I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would consider it  part and parcel of football. Is it ’abuse’? However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’ 





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  • MuttleyCAFCMuttleyCAFC
    edited October 6
    jimmymelrose said:
    It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.

    I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years. 

    Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
    Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!

    Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?

    Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
    Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.

    I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’ 





    I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all. 
  • GribboGribbo
    CafcSCP said:
    Got the impression in his interview that he wasn’t just angry at the fans who abused him though.
    Sounded like something had gone on behind the scenes, referring on several occasions to learning a lout about his staff and team.
    Yeah, that's what I thought.
  • jimmymelrosejimmymelrose
    I think it would be the same in any language. The insertion of the extra adjective can be done to make you feel an outsider, or it can be done in mutual jest.
    There are great subtleties in any language, and they are not the same between languages and cultures. The greatest example of this was the misunderstanding of Suarez when he used the word ’negro.’ I really believe that Suarez was simply naive.
    However I also find it unbelievable that the current Argentinian team, who all play overseas, do not understand that they are being racist.
  • valleynick66valleynick66
    Over analysing this in my view. 

    He likely meant no more than ‘see…trust me I know what I’m doing’ but used the wrong word in ‘abuse’. 

    It’s just football. 
  • GribboGribbo
    Baldybonce said:
    MuttleyCAFC said:
    jimmymelrose said:
    It all depends on how you define abuse and where you draw the line, surely? And also, what’s acceptable changes over time, and from person to person.

    I was surprised by Wimbledon fans treatment of Karl Robinson because they used the ’c-word’. That used to be a no go zone but I’ve heard it used more often in recent years. 

    Consider the following reactions to Jones’s recent complaint:
    Shut up Jones, you whiny wally!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny Welsh w****r!
    Shut up Jones, you whiny f*****g w****r!

    Which is worse, the extra expletive or the negative (xenophobic?) use of his nationality?

    Also, rightly or wrongly, isn’t it different if someone shouts this out in a football stadium or in the street?
    Then consider if it’s one person or twenty.

    I think if I were in his position in the dug-out and the F block in the Covered End sang (3 or 4 above) then I would not consider it ’abuse’. However, if I were let’s say, in a public place with my children and a group of 20 people shouted or sang this at me, then I would consider that unacceptable, and yes ’abusive.’ 





    I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all. 
    That reminded me of an incident on the 161 a while ago. A bunch of teenage girls were taking the piss, calling me baldy etc. After 10 minutes or so i calmly walked to the back of the bus and said to the gobbiest one " i can always wear a wig. YOU will always be fucking ugly" . She burst into tears.
    Never knew you were bald @Baldybonce?
  • SillybillySillybilly

    I think this is an issue with our language in that it doesn't sound right unless you insert that extra word like bald or ugly or something more controversial. Having said that it is best not to use that language at all. 
    Well I can uunderstand Jones getting the hump if he’s being called “bald”. Whatever else I might think of him I can’t deny that’s he’s got a good head of hair 😉
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