Charlton above 2 points per game, grinding out the points and being hard to play against. 10 days and three defeats later some want the manager sacked.
Prior to three wins in a row for Bolton (5-2 0-2 and 2-4), their fans talked about their team lacking ideas and that Evatt’s time was coming to an end there.
Now look at the two clubs 10 days later.
Look at this and agree. Evatt was given time to change fortunes and has so far so there is something to sticking with the manager. Time will tell I guess.
Nothing to do with being given time, Bolton merely got off to a slow start and now they are rolling.
Fans may have been screaming for a change but I doubt the boardroom were, they know Evatt is a good manager and they know the players are capable of performing.
However in our case our squad and first 11 looks weaker than last season.
Personally dont agree. Partly because we dont know our first 11.
Our squad is better though IMO. My overall point is that NJ needs to figure out that first 11 quick, cant afford to tinker.
When I say this next point, I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses as it isnt good enough at this time but there is lots of time to turn it round. Look at Bolton, Look at Blackpool.
Come on @Callumcafc you’ve got some bloody work to do here feller..,.
I’ll get my xG spreadsheet out just for you.
Back of the envelope maths, given the chances created by both sides…
Charlton win tonight’s game ~60 out of 100 times and Bristol Rovers win ~15 out of 100 times.
:-)
We created all our chances when the game was already lost. Got to consider game state when looking at xG. Bristol Rovers didn’t create any chances at the end because they didn’t need too, we desperately threw everything at it because we had nothing to lose. It was a terrible performance and 10 mins of long ball to Aneke creating a few chances doesn’t change that
Before and up to Bristol Rovers second goal, we had created more than them and before and up to their third goal, we had created more than them. It wasn’t all just from the last 15 minutes after we went 3 down and the game was lost.
It’s not a high bar to clear and it reflects poorly on both sides’ attacking output. But we already knew we had problems there.
It’s just a couple flying in from outside the box on 0.03 and 0.06 xG so then we don’t create anything of note AND lose the game which makes everything feel even worse.
We're just not very good at the moment Lost 3 on the spin Look like conceding often No creative spark in the middle No quality in our wide areas A terrible non goal scoring centre forward
I listened to a podcast yesterday where an analyst talked about a centre forward who scores goals should be having 3 - 5 shots a game. A game! Ahadme hasn't had 5 all season!
Tyreece Campbell is a wide player. He'll never make a centre forward. We've agajn and I mean AGAIN - recruited the wrong players for the system a manager wants to play.
We are in an alarming slide. XG, Diagrams, hopeless romanticising isn't going to hide what a scarily large majority of people are saying.
Bad football. No threat. No ideas. Boring. We're not even sneaking wins now.
You can see it as hopeless romanticism if that’s what you want.
I’m trying to have a discussions about quantifying how bad is it really and where do we need to improve. Unfortunately it feels like no one wants to engage with that. Maybe it’s the way I present things, idk.
I'll engage. The defence looked pretty strong earlier in the season and then for some reason NJ started tinkering with it and has made it worse.
The midfield is completely lacking any sort of creativity. We have no one who can run at defender's and beat them either with pace or skill.
We have a centre forward who although he puts the effort in doesn't look like he will score more than 6 or7 goals all season.
We have a manager who although he has been allowed to bring in his own players he still doesn't seem to know his best team.
And unless I'm mistaken some of the players Don't seem to be buying into what Jones is asking for.
Lose our next couple of games and I can see the atmosphere at the Valley getting quiet toxic.
But at least we have a nice new pitch .
I still think it’s a bit early to condemn Ahadme. It’s a shame that hasn’t hit the ground running because that would have bought him time but I’d still expect him to go on a goalscoring run that gets him in the 10-15 range by the end of the season - it’s not as if we’re giving him the service he thrives on and he’s missing a boat load of chances.
IMO goals are not the main assessment for Ahadme, we didn't bring him in to be a goalscorer, on evidence that we let a fantastic goalscorer go to bring him in. Ahadme is supposed to be a system player and so should help the system function better. And by that metric, he's been totally ineffective.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
I'm of a similar mind, Mitchell being dropped and then Doherty (the captain) was meant to make a statement but it seems to have backfired. I would presume that the other players saw these and things like Small being yanked after 30 minutes or so and lost trust in the process or Jones personally.
The problem with a "personality" leadership style like Jones is that once the belief or trust has gone he has nothing left. Bowyer had a similar issue. He engineered it so that he was indisputably The Boss but that means that everything that goes wrong is also on him.
Things can be rescued in this situation but I don't know if Jones is the type of person to do it. He talks a good game about "accepting responsibility" but I am not convinced his "solution" is anything other than doubling down on his failed methods.
Come on @Callumcafc you’ve got some bloody work to do here feller..,.
I’ll get my xG spreadsheet out just for you.
Back of the envelope maths, given the chances created by both sides…
Charlton win tonight’s game ~60 out of 100 times and Bristol Rovers win ~15 out of 100 times.
:-)
We created all our chances when the game was already lost. Got to consider game state when looking at xG. Bristol Rovers didn’t create any chances at the end because they didn’t need too, we desperately threw everything at it because we had nothing to lose. It was a terrible performance and 10 mins of long ball to Aneke creating a few chances doesn’t change that
Before and up to Bristol Rovers second goal, we had created more than them and before and up to their third goal, we had created more than them. It wasn’t all just from the last 15 minutes after we went 3 down and the game was lost.
It’s not a high bar to clear and it reflects poorly on both sides’ attacking output. But we already knew we had problems there.
It’s just a couple flying in from outside the box on 0.03 and 0.06 xG so then we don’t create anything of note AND lose the game which makes everything feel even worse.
We're just not very good at the moment Lost 3 on the spin Look like conceding often No creative spark in the middle No quality in our wide areas A terrible non goal scoring centre forward
I listened to a podcast yesterday where an analyst talked about a centre forward who scores goals should be having 3 - 5 shots a game. A game! Ahadme hasn't had 5 all season!
Tyreece Campbell is a wide player. He'll never make a centre forward. We've agajn and I mean AGAIN - recruited the wrong players for the system a manager wants to play.
We are in an alarming slide. XG, Diagrams, hopeless romanticising isn't going to hide what a scarily large majority of people are saying.
Bad football. No threat. No ideas. Boring. We're not even sneaking wins now.
You can see it as hopeless romanticism if that’s what you want.
I’m trying to have a discussions about quantifying how bad is it really and where do we need to improve. Unfortunately it feels like no one wants to engage with that. Maybe it’s the way I present things, idk.
I'll engage. The defence looked pretty strong earlier in the season and then for some reason NJ started tinkering with it and has made it worse.
The midfield is completely lacking any sort of creativity. We have no one who can run at defender's and beat them either with pace or skill.
We have a centre forward who although he puts the effort in doesn't look like he will score more than 6 or7 goals all season.
We have a manager who although he has been allowed to bring in his own players he still doesn't seem to know his best team.
And unless I'm mistaken some of the players Don't seem to be buying into what Jones is asking for.
Lose our next couple of games and I can see the atmosphere at the Valley getting quiet toxic.
But at least we have a nice new pitch .
I agree with the midfield assessment - I think it’s obvious at this point that we haven’t found a good balance there as of yet. Personally I think Docherty needs to come back in and played in the role we know he’s good at rather than try to turn him into a goalscorer.
NJ got it wrong with the defensive changes for Blackpool in particular but overall we’ve otherwise been solid defensively - last night was a bit of a freak in terms of conceding as many as three (but that doesn’t mean we are totally absolved of things that can be improved).
I still think it’s a bit early to condemn Ahadme. It’s a shame that hasn’t hit the ground running because that would have bought him time but I’d still expect him to go on a goalscoring run that gets him in the 10-15 range by the end of the season - it’s not as if we’re giving him the service he thrives on and he’s missing a boat load of chances.
I also think your theory that the players aren’t buying into Jones philosophy is wide of the mark. I’m not seeing players that aren’t trying - if that ever changes we would be in big trouble.
Well if you believe Brownie, Berry didnt try anywhere near hard enough to block Sinclair for the first. In fact generally he looks to me like a palyer with pedigree near the end of his career, who is phoning it in.
Come on @Callumcafc you’ve got some bloody work to do here feller..,.
I’ll get my xG spreadsheet out just for you.
Back of the envelope maths, given the chances created by both sides…
Charlton win tonight’s game ~60 out of 100 times and Bristol Rovers win ~15 out of 100 times.
:-)
We created all our chances when the game was already lost. Got to consider game state when looking at xG. Bristol Rovers didn’t create any chances at the end because they didn’t need too, we desperately threw everything at it because we had nothing to lose. It was a terrible performance and 10 mins of long ball to Aneke creating a few chances doesn’t change that
Before and up to Bristol Rovers second goal, we had created more than them and before and up to their third goal, we had created more than them. It wasn’t all just from the last 15 minutes after we went 3 down and the game was lost.
It’s not a high bar to clear and it reflects poorly on both sides’ attacking output. But we already knew we had problems there.
It’s just a couple flying in from outside the box on 0.03 and 0.06 xG so then we don’t create anything of note AND lose the game which makes everything feel even worse.
We're just not very good at the moment Lost 3 on the spin Look like conceding often No creative spark in the middle No quality in our wide areas A terrible non goal scoring centre forward
I listened to a podcast yesterday where an analyst talked about a centre forward who scores goals should be having 3 - 5 shots a game. A game! Ahadme hasn't had 5 all season!
Tyreece Campbell is a wide player. He'll never make a centre forward. We've agajn and I mean AGAIN - recruited the wrong players for the system a manager wants to play.
We are in an alarming slide. XG, Diagrams, hopeless romanticising isn't going to hide what a scarily large majority of people are saying.
Bad football. No threat. No ideas. Boring. We're not even sneaking wins now.
You can see it as hopeless romanticism if that’s what you want.
I’m trying to have a discussions about quantifying how bad is it really and where do we need to improve. Unfortunately it feels like no one wants to engage with that. Maybe it’s the way I present things, idk.
I'll engage. The defence looked pretty strong earlier in the season and then for some reason NJ started tinkering with it and has made it worse.
The midfield is completely lacking any sort of creativity. We have no one who can run at defender's and beat them either with pace or skill.
We have a centre forward who although he puts the effort in doesn't look like he will score more than 6 or7 goals all season.
We have a manager who although he has been allowed to bring in his own players he still doesn't seem to know his best team.
And unless I'm mistaken some of the players Don't seem to be buying into what Jones is asking for.
Lose our next couple of games and I can see the atmosphere at the Valley getting quiet toxic.
But at least we have a nice new pitch .
I still think it’s a bit early to condemn Ahadme. It’s a shame that hasn’t hit the ground running because that would have bought him time but I’d still expect him to go on a goalscoring run that gets him in the 10-15 range by the end of the season - it’s not as if we’re giving him the service he thrives on and he’s missing a boat load of chances.
IMO goals are not the main assessment for Ahadme, we didn't bring him in to be a goalscorer, on evidence that we let a fantastic goalscorer go to bring him in. Ahadme is supposed to be a system player and so should help the system function better. And by that metric, he's been totally ineffective.
Especially when you compare him with previous "average" target men (i.e. not Yann or Lyle) but the likes of Stockley and Magennis. Ahadme for a start looks quite spindly and weak, rather the sort of strong lump who defenders bounce off. Connor Wickham (when fit) was also much more of a physical presence.
@Braziliance nice vlog mate. Any chance after the next rubbish away game, you can grab one of those people clapping and ask them why?
I try not to talk to people after we lose unless I know them, don't want to get into any riff raff, and most of the people I know are calling the players w*nkers 😂
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
Yup. I said on here after that game that Jones needed to be careful going off like he did, particularly as while the performance wasn't great it was hardly the worst ever. And I also said I was just beginning to wonder if we had employed the Southampton/Stoke Jones rather than the Luton one. I'm now definitely beginning to think we have.
Whilst the modern footballer can often be a bit of a prima donna - he's dropped me, that's it I'm not trying anymore and I'll get him sacked - I suspect you can only rant at people so much before people really do think eff you. Maybe he's realised that and that's why he put his hands up and blamed himself last night. Let's hope he's realised that constant criticism just won't work with the modern footballer.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
Yup. I said on here after that game that Jones needed to be careful going off like he did, particularly as while the performance wasn't great it was hardly the worst ever. And I also said I was just beginning to wonder if we had employed the Southampton/Stoke Jones rather than the Luton one. I'm now definitely beginning to think we have.
Whilst the modern footballer can often be a bit of a prima donna - he's dropped me, that's it I'm not trying anymore and I'll get him sacked - I suspect you can only rant at people so much before people really do think eff you. Maybe he's realised that and that's why he put his hands up and blamed himself last night. Let's hope he's realised that constant criticism just won't work with the modern footballer.
I might be doing him a disservice but the impression I'm getting from Jones is that when his approach of effort and pressing has not worked he's just decided that what they need to do is just work EVEN HARDER and been even tougher on fitness drills etc rather than actually wonder if the tactics/style might actually be flawed.
And that approach will definitely upset players, especially when you end up dropped anyway seemingly on a whim.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
Our world beaters and prima donnas getting all moody.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
I'm of a similar mind, Mitchell being dropped and then Doherty (the captain) was meant to make a statement but it seems to have backfired. I would presume that the other players saw these and things like Small being yanked after 30 minutes or so and lost trust in the process or Jones personally.
The problem with a "personality" leadership style like Jones is that once the belief or trust has gone he has nothing left. Bowyer had a similar issue. He engineered it so that he was indisputably The Boss but that means that everything that goes wrong is also on him.
Things can be rescued in this situation but I don't know if Jones is the type of person to do it. He talks a good game about "accepting responsibility" but I am not convinced his "solution" is anything other than doubling down on his failed methods.
I would say that Jones has achieved enough in the game that our players should have some respect for him and what he has done.
If not, they can f*** off and go elsewhere. They are playing in division three, they do not have much right to start rebelling against the management, if that is what is happening.
So the morning after. As much as Reading, Blackpool and Stevenage were bad, last nights performance had the look of a struggling side. Certain elements of the side have been consistent this season, consistently bad, Campbell and Ahadme returned to deliver no threat or shots, if Ahadme is to play then he needs a goal scorer alongside him, Campbell is not that player. The wing back formation has also failed, of the four wing backs selected this season they have produced zero chances and Nathan Jones is not going to give them the freedom to go onto the attack. The midfield is suffering from the chosen wing back formation, reducing the midfield to just two, in recent weeks Coventry and Anderson, whilst the wing backs drop to make a back five. The defence is the area where you want consistency, consistently comes from defenders understanding of each others roles and that's not going to happen with the recent chopping and changing, using REG and Potts, then bombing them out to nowhere when a result goes against us. Jones needs to decide who his first choices are and they should only come out through lack of form or injury, in both cases the player who holds the position should have to work hard to retain it. My choice would be 4.3.3 and that would include a forward line of Leaburn, Godden and one other. The midfield would be one of experience, Docherty, Campbell and Coventry maybe, and the defence would pretty much be Jones and Mitchell with Ramsay and Edwards as full backs. In short, find a way of playing, find your first eleven and stick to it, this club cannot afford too many more Bristol Rovers performances.
Another thought on conceding goals from 20-25 yards. Midfielders are not closing down shooter but we have two banks, defenders and midfield perhaps 3 yards apart within 18-20 yards of our goal-line. Why?
If the defence is 5 yards further out, a long range shot needs to be a worldie. Those we are conceding aren't.
Few teams are getting in behind us so why are we so deep?
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
I'm of a similar mind, Mitchell being dropped and then Doherty (the captain) was meant to make a statement but it seems to have backfired. I would presume that the other players saw these and things like Small being yanked after 30 minutes or so and lost trust in the process or Jones personally.
The problem with a "personality" leadership style like Jones is that once the belief or trust has gone he has nothing left. Bowyer had a similar issue. He engineered it so that he was indisputably The Boss but that means that everything that goes wrong is also on him.
Things can be rescued in this situation but I don't know if Jones is the type of person to do it. He talks a good game about "accepting responsibility" but I am not convinced his "solution" is anything other than doubling down on his failed methods.
I would say that Jones has achieved enough in the game that our players should have some respect for him and what he has done.
If not, they can f*** off and go elsewhere. They are playing in division three, they do not have much right to start rebelling against the management, if that is what is happening.
I disagree. He's achieved a lot of good things but he's also got a reputation for acting pretty irrationally when things go badly - both seem equally deserved currently.
I don't care how good his reputation is or what he's achieved, if his response to the shit performance at the weekend was do exactly the same thing again, but even worse, then no wonder players aren't really feeling too inspired or impressed.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
Our world beaters and prima donnas getting all moody.
Far from it. If I was part of a back 3 that kept 4 clean sheets in 6, I would be miffed about it to say the very least
Come on @Callumcafc you’ve got some bloody work to do here feller..,.
I’ll get my xG spreadsheet out just for you.
Back of the envelope maths, given the chances created by both sides…
Charlton win tonight’s game ~60 out of 100 times and Bristol Rovers win ~15 out of 100 times.
:-)
We created all our chances when the game was already lost. Got to consider game state when looking at xG. Bristol Rovers didn’t create any chances at the end because they didn’t need too, we desperately threw everything at it because we had nothing to lose. It was a terrible performance and 10 mins of long ball to Aneke creating a few chances doesn’t change that
Before and up to Bristol Rovers second goal, we had created more than them and before and up to their third goal, we had created more than them. It wasn’t all just from the last 15 minutes after we went 3 down and the game was lost.
It’s not a high bar to clear and it reflects poorly on both sides’ attacking output. But we already knew we had problems there.
It’s just a couple flying in from outside the box on 0.03 and 0.06 xG so then we don’t create anything of note AND lose the game which makes everything feel even worse.
We're just not very good at the moment Lost 3 on the spin Look like conceding often No creative spark in the middle No quality in our wide areas A terrible non goal scoring centre forward
I listened to a podcast yesterday where an analyst talked about a centre forward who scores goals should be having 3 - 5 shots a game. A game! Ahadme hasn't had 5 all season!
Tyreece Campbell is a wide player. He'll never make a centre forward. We've agajn and I mean AGAIN - recruited the wrong players for the system a manager wants to play.
We are in an alarming slide. XG, Diagrams, hopeless romanticising isn't going to hide what a scarily large majority of people are saying.
Bad football. No threat. No ideas. Boring. We're not even sneaking wins now.
You can see it as hopeless romanticism if that’s what you want.
I’m trying to have a discussions about quantifying how bad is it really and where do we need to improve. Unfortunately it feels like no one wants to engage with that. Maybe it’s the way I present things, idk.
I'll engage. The defence looked pretty strong earlier in the season and then for some reason NJ started tinkering with it and has made it worse.
The midfield is completely lacking any sort of creativity. We have no one who can run at defender's and beat them either with pace or skill.
We have a centre forward who although he puts the effort in doesn't look like he will score more than 6 or7 goals all season.
We have a manager who although he has been allowed to bring in his own players he still doesn't seem to know his best team.
And unless I'm mistaken some of the players Don't seem to be buying into what Jones is asking for.
Lose our next couple of games and I can see the atmosphere at the Valley getting quiet toxic.
But at least we have a nice new pitch .
I agree with the midfield assessment - I think it’s obvious at this point that we haven’t found a good balance there as of yet. Personally I think Docherty needs to come back in and played in the role we know he’s good at rather than try to turn him into a goalscorer.
NJ got it wrong with the defensive changes for Blackpool in particular but overall we’ve otherwise been solid defensively - last night was a bit of a freak in terms of conceding as many as three (but that doesn’t mean we are totally absolved of things that can be improved).
I still think it’s a bit early to condemn Ahadme. It’s a shame that hasn’t hit the ground running because that would have bought him time but I’d still expect him to go on a goalscoring run that gets him in the 10-15 range by the end of the season - it’s not as if we’re giving him the service he thrives on and he’s missing a boat load of chances.
I also think your theory that the players aren’t buying into Jones philosophy is wide of the mark. I’m not seeing players that aren’t trying - if that ever changes we would be in big trouble.
Well if you believe Brownie, Berry didnt try anywhere near hard enough to block Sinclair for the first. In fact generally he looks to me like a palyer with pedigree near the end of his career, who is phoning it in.
Much as I am not convinced by Coventry, we are set up for 3-5-2 with danger coming from wing backs crossing..
But we actually play 5-3-2 with WBs usually behind the ball when we gain possession, so only four players in front of the ball, so it can only go backwards, sideways or a hopeful punt forward.
Good defending isn't parking the bus, it is moving forward when we get the ball and retreating when we don't (but not too fast or far).
Thanks for the blog Braziliance, well up to your excellent standands. For what it's worth am wondering whether Nathan has had his head turned by Cardiff's supposed interest. Welsh experts (won't name) on the rival thread reckon difficult for him if offered it. Although Tan seems well dodgy to work for and probably not interested in compensation. Was really suprised recently subbing Small after about half and hour. also resting Mitchell. Don't rate Adadme another duff buy from Ipswich after Fraser (just a few decent games - flattered to deceive). Years ago we signed Matt Holland, Herman H, Darren Bent etc. from them now they are stitching us right up. Did Jones push Alfie out or did he really want to go back further north because his Misses didn't settle, will never know. Let's hope for a miracle again Birmingham!
Right long one but I haven't done one for a few weeks so here we are.
You should smash through the 1k subscribers after this mate, you've got a really handsome fella in the puffa coat in the top left of your vlog there. (Me. 😁)
Right long one but I haven't done one for a few weeks so here we are.
You should smash through the 1k subscribers after this mate, you've got a really handsome fella in the puffa coat in the top left of your vlog there. (Me. 😁)
Yep, that thumbnail was no accident, I knew what I was doing 😂
Not good enough. Jones gets no credit for his "taking responsibility" because 1) we know he was responsible anyway and 2) he said the same after the previous game and somehow contrived to make last night even worse.
I'm not Jones Out but he's rapidly using up whatever credit last season gave him and needs to get things back on track because he's looking a bit of a busted flush currently.
It was a watered down "taking responsibility" anyway, because what he actually said was he picked the players that didn't perform meaning it was really the players' fault.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
Our world beaters and prima donnas getting all moody.
Far from it. If I was part of a back 3 that kept 4 clean sheets in 6, I would be miffed about it to say the very least
All part of the game, IF that's what has happened he needs to grow up and show the manager was wrong in dropping him, not just sulk, and bring everyone else along with him...
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
Our world beaters and prima donnas getting all moody.
Far from it. If I was part of a back 3 that kept 4 clean sheets in 6, I would be miffed about it to say the very least
All part of the game, IF that's what has happened he needs to grow up and show the manager was wrong in dropping him, not just sulk, and bring everyone else along with him...
Who mentioned anything about sulking East Terrace?
I just brought up the stats at the time before he got binned off.
Unless you know more about what happened of course
Evatt had a lengthy record of dominance, success and effective goalscoring football at the club he is currently at
No promotions though so if they had sacked him, I don't think it would have been a massive surprise. Evatt has admitted he has tried to change the style of play, I'm not sure if he stuck to his guns or reverted back.
No doubt it can change but do feel NJ has to find a consistent team.
I Am absolutely convinced that Something must have been said/done when we lost to reading away, which in turn has meant jones has lost some in the dressing room. Small being completely left out and the dropping of Mitchell are one of many things for me
The dropping of Mitchell after the Shrewsbury away win is where in my opinion it all went bent for Jones.
The other players have must thought what the hell has he done to get binned off. The body language from the players since speaks volumes
Our world beaters and prima donnas getting all moody.
Far from it. If I was part of a back 3 that kept 4 clean sheets in 6, I would be miffed about it to say the very least
All part of the game, IF that's what has happened he needs to grow up and show the manager was wrong in dropping him, not just sulk, and bring everyone else along with him...
Who mentioned anything about sulking East Terrace?
I just brought up the stats at the time before he got binned off.
Unless you know more about what happened of course
IF he was dropped, or "binned off" as you put it, and he felt miffed, then sort it out directly, not let the dressing room get involved, if indeed that is what has happened, truth is no-one knows and conjecture is where we all are...oh, and the term "sulk" was my choice of words that's all...
Still more than a bit shell-shocked by what I saw last night...... have been away for a couple of weeks and only really paid attention to the results not the performances........ well, what a dismal 90-odd minutes....... when we got those goals at the end it had already got to the stage where I couldn't have cared less. I'm slightly worried about Karoy and TC, I think they got their chance last season more because there was no-one else than because they were good and ready for it. In another set-up I think they'd have gone on loan to learn and get experience at a lower level....... and they'd have come back all the better for it, but that didn't happen and now they're 2 of our attacking force........ not only aren't they ready but they're hardly surrounded by good, confident players who can 'carry' them through a game. I have no doubt they're learning but given what else we are showing going forward I don't think we can 'afford' to have them playing so many minutes. It doesn't take much, even in this division, for underhit passes to put unnecessary pressure on and it can even lead to us conceding goals....... never mind that they are still learning the craft of coming away with the ball in 50/50 tussels, positional sense when we're in and out of possession..... etc, etc.
TC was fairly good on Saturday, playing as a winger in a front 3. He looked genuinely dangerous, attacking the Stevenage full backs, indeed our ONLY player for most of the game who looked like he could create something, as that front 3 had Godden as a lone striker, which isn't good for him, and Kanu as a winger which was even worse.
Last season we had 2 "star" attacking players, one CBT who fitted a 433 system, the other May who preferred playing in a 2 alongside a target man. This season we've built a squad to play 352, and Jones has tried to play TC as a central striker which doesn't suit his game.
We obviously have far bigger issues than TC, but all the talk of how dangerous he is - how many chances is he actually creating?
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Our squad is better though IMO. My overall point is that NJ needs to figure out that first 11 quick, cant afford to tinker.
When I say this next point, I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses as it isnt good enough at this time but there is lots of time to turn it round. Look at Bolton, Look at Blackpool.
The problem with a "personality" leadership style like Jones is that once the belief or trust has gone he has nothing left. Bowyer had a similar issue. He engineered it so that he was indisputably The Boss but that means that everything that goes wrong is also on him.
Things can be rescued in this situation but I don't know if Jones is the type of person to do it. He talks a good game about "accepting responsibility" but I am not convinced his "solution" is anything other than doubling down on his failed methods.
Right long one but I haven't done one for a few weeks so here we are.
Whilst the modern footballer can often be a bit of a prima donna - he's dropped me, that's it I'm not trying anymore and I'll get him sacked - I suspect you can only rant at people so much before people really do think eff you. Maybe he's realised that and that's why he put his hands up and blamed himself last night. Let's hope he's realised that constant criticism just won't work with the modern footballer.
And that approach will definitely upset players, especially when you end up dropped anyway seemingly on a whim.
If the defence is 5 yards further out, a long range shot needs to be a worldie. Those we are conceding aren't.
Few teams are getting in behind us so why are we so deep?
I don't care how good his reputation is or what he's achieved, if his response to the shit performance at the weekend was do exactly the same thing again, but even worse, then no wonder players aren't really feeling too inspired or impressed.
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But we actually play 5-3-2 with WBs usually behind the ball when we gain possession, so only four players in front of the ball, so it can only go backwards, sideways or a hopeful punt forward.
Good defending isn't parking the bus, it is moving forward when we get the ball and retreating when we don't (but not too fast or far).
For what it's worth am wondering whether Nathan has had his head turned by Cardiff's supposed interest.
Welsh experts (won't name) on the rival thread reckon difficult for him if offered it. Although Tan seems well dodgy to work for and probably not interested in compensation.
Was really suprised recently subbing Small after about half and hour. also resting Mitchell.
Don't rate Adadme another duff buy from Ipswich after Fraser (just a few decent games - flattered to deceive).
Years ago we signed Matt Holland, Herman H, Darren Bent etc. from them now they are stitching us right up.
Did Jones push Alfie out or did he really want to go back further north because his Misses didn't settle, will never know. Let's hope for a miracle again Birmingham!