Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
You're praying more like.
Kermogant all over again. 'he's old, he can't do it in the Championship, we need to move on'.
Revisionism at play here. Don’t think the comparison works at all.
Yann was a talisman and a warrior who led the front line with intensity and physicality. Nathan Jones would’ve loved him.
Alfie had some great moments but looked like a lost boy when asked to play up front on his own.
Alfie more BWP than Kermorgant.
Fair play, at this point you just don't like May. He's been completely undersold there, and that's a very unfair review.
Yann and May were both great for us in their own rights, but they can't be compared as players directly, as they're different styles. May had a brilliant impact here and scored a range of goals. To say he looked like a lost boy, is harsh and simply untrue. Poor management skills left him for dry at times, and players who weren't on his level around him were costing him, the same applies to the other popular players who have left, who you also coincidentally don't rate in Dobson.
It's done now, and he's gone, but saying at any stage he looked like a lost boy, is unfair and simply, wrong. He is the reason we are still a league 1 club. That's a fact.
A quote from a Cov fan in response to someone on the other forum having a pop at Godden’s “six goals” from last season:
“I’d say we’re slightly above that [relegation] now with the £7m striker we signed to replace him. Doesn’t make him a bad league one player.
If we doesn’t perform it will be due to age rather than ability. He had 5 minutes against league one opposition this season and scored twice so I’m sure he’ll be fine.”
Looks like the reference is to Coventry’s FA Cup tie in January where Godden came off the bench in the 72nd minute and scored twice against Oxford.
There is a big difference between the Championship and L1, so scoring stats aren't that comparable.
I remember David McGoldrick looking pretty average in the Championship for a decent Sheffield United team, but then moving to L1 the next season and scoring 22 league goals for Derby.
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
You're praying more like.
Kermogant all over again. 'he's old, he can't do it in the Championship, we need to move on'.
Revisionism at play here. Don’t think the comparison works at all.
Yann was a talisman and a warrior who led the front line with intensity and physicality. Nathan Jones would’ve loved him.
Alfie had some great moments but looked like a lost boy when asked to play up front on his own.
Alfie more BWP than Kermorgant.
Fair play, at this point you just don't like May. He's been completely undersold there, and that's a very unfair review.
Yann and May were both great for us in their own rights, but they can't be compared as players directly, as they're different styles. May had a brilliant impact here and scored a range of goals. To say he looked like a lost boy, is harsh and simply untrue. Poor management skills left him for dry at times, and players who weren't on his level around him were costing him, the same applies to the other popular players who have left, who you also coincidentally don't rate in Dobson.
It's done now, and he's gone, but saying at any stage he looked like a lost boy, is unfair and simply, wrong. He is the reason we are still a league 1 club. That's a fact.
You’re blinded by love for the bloke. I do like May but I’m capable of seeing his limitations which include being bullied by centre backs when he doesn’t have a big man playing next to him. To say I don’t like him is putting words in my mouth.
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I absolutely agree with. I think a lot of the bed wetters are going to have serious egg on their faces this season.
Calling fellow Charlton fans bed wetters because they have concerns about how the squad is shaping up is not very nice imo
Sorry if you took offence, many players come and go, I for one was very happy when NJ came in. I live local to Luton, a lot of my mates are Luton fans and they think he will do well. As silly as it sounds, I wasn’t bowled over by Alfie last season. Excellent goalscorer but I do believe we need more of a presence.
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I absolutely agree with. I think a lot of the bed wetters are going to have serious egg on their faces this season.
Calling fellow Charlton fans bed wetters because they have concerns about how the squad is shaping up is not very nice imo
Sorry if you took offence, many players come and go, I for one was very happy when NJ came in. I live local to Luton, a lot of my mates are Luton fans and they think he will do well. As silly as it sounds, I wasn’t bowled over by Alfie last season. Excellent goalscorer but I do believe we need more of a presence.
Let’s just see what happens.
I am exactly the same. I’m expecting a lot of chances to be created from Ramsey & Small this season. Dont think May scored a single header last season which probably isn’t helpful to our playing style next season.
No evidence to say he'll do well either then in that case. His record at Doncaster was 1 in 9, 1 in 2.5 at Cheltenham and roughly 1 in (slightly under) 2 at us. If he follows that trajectory he's going to score 35 goals at Brum (very unlikely) or he's going to tail off having already peaked at Cheltenham and us (more likely)
FWIW I think he'll score between 12 and 15 goals for them this season, but won't be their top scorer and they'll win the league. He'll then struggle in the championship and move in that January to someone else in League 1
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I absolutely agree with. I think a lot of the bed wetters are going to have serious egg on their faces this season.
Calling fellow Charlton fans bed wetters because they have concerns about how the squad is shaping up is not very nice imo
Sorry if you took offence, many players come and go, I for one was very happy when NJ came in. I live local to Luton, a lot of my mates are Luton fans and they think he will do well. As silly as it sounds, I wasn’t bowled over by Alfie last season. Excellent goalscorer but I do believe we need more of a presence.
Let’s just see what happens.
I am exactly the same. I’m expecting a lot of chances to be created from Ramsey & Small this season. Dont think May scored a single header last season which probably isn’t helpful to our playing style next season.
One against Sutton and another against Peterborough
Older yes, but I'm not sure someone who's been playing in the Championship for the last 4 years can be considered worse than someone who's never played in the Championship.
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I absolutely agree with you here. I think a lot of the bed wetters are going to have serious egg on their faces this season.
I see the Dunning–Kruger effect is in full force with some peoples arguments and assessments of the May transfer.
Without the full facts I just don’t know how some people can be so sure of their position currently.
Personally I think we are very short at the moment, and it feels like a massive risk to move on the leagues most consistent striker to a rival for promotion.
But until we understand the full make up of the team, and how Jones has us playing, I’ll reserve saying I’m going to stop supporting Charlton.
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I absolutely agree with. I think a lot of the bed wetters are going to have serious egg on their faces this season.
Calling fellow Charlton fans bed wetters because they have concerns about how the squad is shaping up is not very nice imo
Nor is calling anyone looking for a positive "happy clappers", "SMT spokesperson", "drinking the kool aid" etc. Not that I'm accusing you personally of saying those things but both "sides" of this are equally infantile at times.
Well said. It is funny though isn't if you do call them that, you are seen as the bad person... But they are happy to have a pop!
Agreed, so long as it’s the same people taking offence to being called one thing and then calling people another. I’m not sure it is.
I know everyone is disappointed about May leaving , I am too but peeps saying Godden is to old do we not remember Garry Nelson , he was amazing and experienced at around same age as Godden in a higher league too , let's see what happens
Bit on Davies.. So he had agreed a deal to sign for us, but then for the last 10 days, he was meant to come down to complete medical and sign the contract, but every day another excuse, then late last week, he said other opportunities haver come to light, and want to explore, then asked for more money.. He well and truly f****d us about.. We move on.. It is now silly season, will be a lot of agreements but don't progress.. But that is the football industry for you..
It is football... so I don't get your point!
That the line that has been served up on here is along the lines of 'we are shopping in a different market now' and already 'money' is the stumbling block. We even needed money so much so, that we have sold the biggest goal threat in the league to a promotion rival, that we can't get near in terms of resources.
I don't believe a word these owners say. This will be a constant thing this window. The harsh reality is, we had 4 good players last season, 3 have left/been sold, and the other is yet to sign a contract extension.
May has been sold to fund the incomings we have had, so far. It will not shock me at all if we break even this window, or thereabouts, which we cannot afford to do. We have all just witnessed one of the worst Charlton sides ever, the only ones who were stopping us from being the worst side in the league, are all gone bar a couple.
We need to spend a fair few million to turn this mess around, do I see us doing that? No. As we have already cashed in, or attempted to cash in (Dobsons case) on all our best players so far.
I just don't see how this is any different from the previous owners/windows we have had.
Fella, it is football.. Every single club up and down the country is the same.. What a club wants to do, and putting in to action is different, you miss out on targets, players want to leave.. You can make a plan today, then tomorrow it all changes! Where has money been a stumbling block?? People's value is only as much as someone is willing to pay them!
Everyone keeps going on about we lost 4 good players.. They have been part of a side that has finished lower half of league 1.. That is a fact! It is about the team, not individuals.
One thing for sure is, the club are putting lots of stepping stones in place, ensuring our players stay fit, we are engaging with the local community, we are setting partnerships up which allows to tap into different markets! The club is in a stronger position that it has been for the last 10 or 12 years to be successful again.. Appointed a manager who can get us out of this league, and take us on.
Yes, they didn't get everything right at the start, but they have taken that on board, and make changes..
Let's see what happens between here at the end of the window..
FYI, I think May will flop at Brum, and we will be saying, that was a good bit of business..
I think it’s likely that he doesn’t do that well, I’m not sure their new manager will set up the team or play the style required to get the best out of him. At Huddersfield he’d have scored 20+, with us he probably would as well, at Birmingham I am less certain
Even if he doesn’t do well there, that doesn’t mean it was a good bit of business if we then finish 12th ourselves. We know May can score 20+ at this level playing for us. For selling him to be a success, the team needs to score as many (or more) goals than last season and also finish in the top 6
I know everyone is disappointed about May leaving , I am too but peeps saying Godden is to old do we not remember Garry Nelson , he was amazing and experienced at around same age as Godden in a higher league too , let's see what happens
Nelson was 30 years old when he joined Charlton and was 35 when he left for Torquay
I know everyone is disappointed about May leaving , I am too but peeps saying Godden is to old do we not remember Garry Nelson , he was amazing and experienced at around same age as Godden in a higher league too , let's see what happens
Nelson was 30 years old when he joined Charlton and was 35 when he left for Torquay
And played more games for us than for anyone else in his long career.
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Yann and May were both great for us in their own rights, but they can't be compared as players directly, as they're different styles. May had a brilliant impact here and scored a range of goals. To say he looked like a lost boy, is harsh and simply untrue. Poor management skills left him for dry at times, and players who weren't on his level around him were costing him, the same applies to the other popular players who have left, who you also coincidentally don't rate in Dobson.
It's done now, and he's gone, but saying at any stage he looked like a lost boy, is unfair and simply, wrong. He is the reason we are still a league 1 club. That's a fact.
I remember David McGoldrick looking pretty average in the Championship for a decent Sheffield United team, but then moving to L1 the next season and scoring 22 league goals for Derby.
FWIW I think he'll score between 12 and 15 goals for them this season, but won't be their top scorer and they'll win the league. He'll then struggle in the championship and move in that January to someone else in League 1
Without the full facts I just don’t know how some people can be so sure of their position currently.
Personally I think we are very short at the moment, and it feels like a massive risk to move on the leagues most consistent striker to a rival for promotion.
But until we understand the full make up of the team, and how Jones has us playing, I’ll reserve saying I’m going to stop supporting Charlton.
Even if he doesn’t do well there, that doesn’t mean it was a good bit of business if we then finish 12th ourselves. We know May can score 20+ at this level playing for us. For selling him to be a success, the team needs to score as many (or more) goals than last season and also finish in the top 6