Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
100% this, and at the end of the day we are Charlton Athletic not Alfie May
We are not Nathan Jones either…….
He is the manager of the club.. he makes the decision.. That’s what managers do..
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then I’ll save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
No need to denigrate one of our own to make your point. TC could well turn out to have a career that far eclipses anything Alfie will achieve.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then I’ll save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
No need to denigrate one of our own to make your point. TC could well turn out to have a career that far eclipses anything Alfie will achieve.
We have far better and more consistent young players you can level thar at.
Alfie May gives nothing but 100% every time he steps over the white line and without him last year we'd have been in very desperate trouble - based on the evidence our own eyes showed us all.
We have reached the usual point in the forum where some people will have blind faith in what appears to be happening and some refuse to consider the reasons behind what is going on.
There are many more instances in football history of a side selling their top goalscorer one season and doing worse the next, than going on to great things.
Gary Lineker - Everton to Barcelona is one - but Everton just missed out on the title the year before and hadn't lost their other two best players just before selling him.
I genuinely don't know how any fan can think that by losing CBT, Dobson and May (if he goes) can be a good idea for any side dreaming of promotion in the coming season.
Now CBT wanted out. Dobson, (so we are told) didn't and Nathan Jones was quite vocal in saying he wanted to keep him.
I'd prefer to keep Alfie, Kanu, Casey, MBick, Leaburn and Aneke as my striking options - adding one to it and rotating the young and unfit at times and focus on the midfield, goalkeeper and centre half options as they were our problems last year.
10 more clean sheets minimum to what we achieved would be worth 15-20 points.
May in my opinion isn't the problem and the way in which he looks genuinely happy and privileged to be a professional footballer playing for Charlton could (and should) be exactly the type of player TC and all our other young pros should be learning from.
Never give up. Keep on improving. You can become the best of your kind, even in your late 20s / early 30s. His experience could be vital to the development of our own young players and his team mates this season.
We need not just talent, but determination and some old heads. Berry is one. An older goalkeeper could be another but I feel the side will miss more than just Alfie's goals - if he goes.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then Ill save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
We will always be a selling club, that's never going to change. Getting 1m+ for a player not highly rated by Jones makes perfect sense to me.
What doesn't make any sense is why May isn't highly rated
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then I’ll e let no one save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
We let no one go .. CBT went on strike then had a mystery injury and asked for a move back north .. Dobson was offered contracts but he and only he made the call to sign a contract for another club .. he was badly advised and like 99% of players in his position should have waited till end of the season not take the only offer he received
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Charlie talks in the podcast about the need to make a club sustainable financially. He describes the poor practise of owner(s) spunking a lot of money on vanity players, then losing interest (and/or the club being relegated) and leaving the club with a ruinous employment cost centre that the new owners can’t or won’t sustain. Makes sense to me. Even if you have it, you shouldn’t spend it (all).
Wow! Thank you for that. I've never seen that word written down before and for 60 odd years I've always assumed it began with a "v".
Edited to add: Okay, I'm not completely loopy. This from wiki:
Spoken English south of the Danelaw became, from at least the 11th century onwards, characterised by a pronunciation known as Southern Voicing, such as vrog for frog, or zummer for summer. Vainites or vains, variants of fainites or fains, are surviving examples of this on the borders of the Danelaw to the north of London. Other truce terms prevail within the Danelaw.
The only strange thing being, of course, that I was not brought up north of London.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Charlie talks in the podcast about the need to make a club sustainable financially. He describes the poor practise of owner(s) spunking a lot of money on vanity players, then losing interest (and/or the club being relegated) and leaving the club with a ruinous employment cost centre that the new owners can’t or won’t sustain. Makes sense to me. Even if you have it, you shouldn’t spend it (all).
Getting into the Championship gets them closer to what they want.
Selling Alfie for £1m let's say and not getting promoted will cost them £millions more.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Charlie talks in the podcast about the need to make a club sustainable financially. He describes the poor practise of owner(s) spunking a lot of money on vanity players, then losing interest (and/or the club being relegated) and leaving the club with a ruinous employment cost centre that the new owners can’t or won’t sustain. Makes sense to me. Even if you have it, you shouldn’t spend it (all).
Agree with most of what you are saying. But the new owners would (or should) have been aware of all of this when buying the club. I know you can aquire players on free transfers and the like but the new owners will at some point have to splash the cash in order to get us out of this league. If we sell May for say 1 million but a lack of goals stop us from going up then that's a poor decision. All we can do as fans I suppose is support the club and hope they get it right.
Anyway, rumours. 8 days till players return. About 10 new ones in to make the squad are needed (plus 5+ out but they are less time critical from NJs perspective I am sure).
You guys do realise, as with every year, posters post rumours in the rumour thread and posters discuss those rumours in said rumours thread. I just don’t see how anyone could find that unusual.
If someone has the energy and time I am sure it would be welcomed by some to have the ‘bite sized’ rumours thread.
Otherwise just skim read through the posts if you’re that desperate to see if we are being linked with anyone. Or just wait to it’s on the official site.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Charlie talks in the podcast about the need to make a club sustainable financially. He describes the poor practise of owner(s) spunking a lot of money on vanity players, then losing interest (and/or the club being relegated) and leaving the club with a ruinous employment cost centre that the new owners can’t or won’t sustain. Makes sense to me. Even if you have it, you shouldn’t spend it (all).
Which is fine if he hadn’t presided over the worst season for 98 years. We’re now talking about selling one of the leagues best players to a promotion rival. It looks like the whole project is being done on the cheap, despite the bizarre mental gymnastics on here trying to convince us the May isn’t actually any good. It’s been consistent, Texas documents stating there would be little investment, selling and letting go some of our best players last season, hiring the cheaper Appleton option and now selling May to pocket a modest profit. So Charlie is probably right about keeping it lean at Charlton but as we know, that rules out a promotion challenge.
You guys do realise, as with every year, posters post rumours in the rumour thread and posters discuss those rumours in said rumours thread. I just don’t see how anyone could find that unusual.
If someone has the energy and time I am sure it would be welcomed by some to have the ‘bite sized’ rumours thread.
Otherwise just skim read through the posts if you’re that desperate to see if we are being linked with anyone. Or just wait to it’s on the official site.
How did people live before the internet?
Discussing rumours is fine, however, pages upon pages of bickering and sniping, is not what this thread should be used for.
You guys do realise, as with every year, posters post rumours in the rumour thread and posters discuss those rumours in said rumours thread. I just don’t see how anyone could find that unusual.
If someone has the energy and time I am sure it would be welcomed by some to have the ‘bite sized’ rumours thread.
Otherwise just skim read through the posts if you’re that desperate to see if we are being linked with anyone. Or just wait to it’s on the official site.
How did people live before the internet?
Discussing rumours is fine, however, pages upon pages of bickering and sniping, is not what this thread should be used for.
The internet brings out the worst in some people.
I don’t disagree with you there, many people seem to take exception to individuals having different opinions to them.
However, still does not change my point, this is a rumours thread where people will post and discuss rumours.
The fact that it turns into a soup of people making the same points, or getting irked that people have different points to them is just what happens.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Charlie talks in the podcast about the need to make a club sustainable financially. He describes the poor practise of owner(s) spunking a lot of money on vanity players, then losing interest (and/or the club being relegated) and leaving the club with a ruinous employment cost centre that the new owners can’t or won’t sustain. Makes sense to me. Even if you have it, you shouldn’t spend it (all).
Which is fine if he hadn’t presided over the worst season for 98 years. We’re now talking about selling one of the leagues best players to a promotion rival. It looks like the whole project is being done on the cheap, despite the bizarre mental gymnastics on here trying to convince us the May isn’t actually any good. It’s been consistent, Texas documents stating there would be little investment, selling and letting go some of our best players last season, hiring the cheaper Appleton option and now selling May to pocket a modest profit. So Charlie is probably right about keeping it lean at Charlton but as we know, that rules out a promotion challenge.
This is exactly what I was talking about. Show me the one post on this thread where someone has said Alfie is not any good!
That is the title of this thread, so it started as a rumour that Alfie May could be sold then Cawley gave it oxygen and then of course its up for discussion with strong feelings at play. It seems quite normal to have a, for and against debate when the top scorer may go to a team in the same division. If Huddersfield have gone up to 1.2 million then this is the thread to discuss the pro's and cons of a "Charlton summer transfer" of League 1 top goalscorer in 23/24.
If a new rumour starts then it will be posted on here and it should be more this week as Nathan Jones wants the players in ASAP so they can work the pre season together.
I'm proud of anyone who uses their soapbox but there are times you have to listen as well as giving it large. (Took me a life time to realize!)
Carry on the heated debate. Was Sid James in that one ?
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Alfie May gives nothing but 100% every time he steps over the white line and without him last year we'd have been in very desperate trouble - based on the evidence our own eyes showed us all.
We have reached the usual point in the forum where some people will have blind faith in what appears to be happening and some refuse to consider the reasons behind what is going on.
There are many more instances in football history of a side selling their top goalscorer one season and doing worse the next, than going on to great things.
Gary Lineker - Everton to Barcelona is one - but Everton just missed out on the title the year before and hadn't lost their other two best players just before selling him.
I genuinely don't know how any fan can think that by losing CBT, Dobson and May (if he goes) can be a good idea for any side dreaming of promotion in the coming season.
Now CBT wanted out. Dobson, (so we are told) didn't and Nathan Jones was quite vocal in saying he wanted to keep him.
I'd prefer to keep Alfie, Kanu, Casey, MBick, Leaburn and Aneke as my striking options - adding one to it and rotating the young and unfit at times and focus on the midfield, goalkeeper and centre half options as they were our problems last year.
10 more clean sheets minimum to what we achieved would be worth 15-20 points.
May in my opinion isn't the problem and the way in which he looks genuinely happy and privileged to be a professional footballer playing for Charlton could (and should) be exactly the type of player TC and all our other young pros should be learning from.
Never give up. Keep on improving. You can become the best of your kind, even in your late 20s / early 30s. His experience could be vital to the development of our own young players and his team mates this season.
We need not just talent, but determination and some old heads. Berry is one. An older goalkeeper could be another but I feel the side will miss more than just Alfie's goals - if he goes.
What doesn't make any sense is why May isn't highly rated
Edited to add: Okay, I'm not completely loopy. This from wiki:
Spoken English south of the Danelaw became, from at least the 11th century onwards, characterised by a pronunciation known as Southern Voicing, such as vrog for frog, or zummer for summer. Vainites or vains, variants of fainites or fains, are surviving examples of this on the borders of the Danelaw to the north of London. Other truce terms prevail within the Danelaw.
The only strange thing being, of course, that I was not brought up north of London.
Selling Alfie for £1m let's say and not getting promoted will cost them £millions more.
But the new owners would (or should) have been aware of all of this when buying the club.
I know you can aquire players on free transfers and the like but the new owners will at some point have to splash the cash in order to get us out of this league.
If we sell May for say 1 million but a lack of goals stop us from going up then that's a poor decision.
All we can do as fans I suppose is support the club and hope they get it right.
@Everyone post all your Alfie thoughts/feedback/feelings/fears on the old thread that Shirty5 has just resurfaced.
If someone has the energy and time I am sure it would be welcomed by some to have the ‘bite sized’ rumours thread.
Otherwise just skim read through the posts if you’re that desperate to see if we are being linked with anyone. Or just wait to it’s on the official site.
The internet brings out the worst in some people.
However, still does not change my point, this is a rumours thread where people will post and discuss rumours.
Would expect so if he had a medical yesterday and they got all the media and contract stuff done too.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/sport/football/5013819/dunfermline-athletic-josh-edwards-charlton-athletic-transfer/
We can then move on from the Alfie May stuff to discuss what this means for Small. 🤣🤣 (That's a joke by the way, he will stay).
That is the title of this thread, so it started as a rumour that Alfie May could be sold then Cawley gave it oxygen and then of course its up for discussion with strong feelings at play.
It seems quite normal to have a, for and against debate when the top scorer may go to a team in the same division.
If Huddersfield have gone up to 1.2 million then this is the thread to discuss the pro's and cons of a "Charlton summer transfer" of League 1 top goalscorer in 23/24.
If a new rumour starts then it will be posted on here and it should be more this week as Nathan Jones wants the players in ASAP so they can work the pre season together.
I'm proud of anyone who uses their soapbox but there are times you have to listen as well as giving it large. (Took me a life time to realize!)
Carry on the heated debate.
Was Sid James in that one ?
A wonderful book that thinking about it I have read, used and referenced all my life, whether it was in my working life or personal life.
If you can find a copy I recommend it.