Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
If the one man gets 30 goals, it doesn't matter if he gets injured. His 30 goals will get you promoted and nobody will want to buy him. Win win.
Wouldn't it be amazing if this all turned out to be an elaborate 4D chess move from NJ by letting a transfer saga play out all throughout the summer, letting Hudds continually think they are "this" close, and them wasting a significant amount of time, energy and resources on signing Alfie, only to then pull the plug on deadline day so they end up scrabbling about for a back up option at the last second. Meanwhile we hoover up the talent whilst they are distracted and to really underline it AM lines up the very next game with the captains armband on and a big grin (and maybe a few k a week pay rise in the back pocket for his trouble)
It's what I would do !
I like it.
For me the biggest concern when selling May to Huddersfield is how much it strengthens a direct promotion rival. If he goes there and stays fit, he will be getting in the region of 20+ goals. No doubt.
If he has to go, I would 100% prefer he joins a championship team - even if that means Millwall for a lower fee.
If we are selling to Huddersfield then it feels like a false economy. Better off keeping him as mildly pissed off impact sub if he is not a key man in NJ's plans.
Wouldn't it be amazing if this all turned out to be an elaborate 4D chess move from NJ by letting a transfer saga play out all throughout the summer, letting Hudds continually think they are "this" close, and them wasting a significant amount of time, energy and resources on signing Alfie, only to then pull the plug on deadline day so they end up scrabbling about for a back up option at the last second. Meanwhile we hoover up the talent whilst they are distracted and to really underline it AM lines up the very next game with the captains armband on and a big grin (and maybe a few k a week pay rise in the back pocket for his trouble)
It's what I would do !
Good shout. It’s probably what others have done to us in the past.
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
If the one man gets 30 goals, it doesn't matter if he gets injured. His 30 goals will get you promoted and nobody will want to buy him. Win win.
He’s got to score the 30 goals before he gets injured though
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
Trust in Jones, he has more experience in football than everyone on this forum put together.
I don't think he's got 20 years experience on Football Manager though
He hasn’t got 30/40/50/60 years’ experience of supporting Charlton either. I want to keep the faith but potentially selling not only your own but the league’s top goal scorer is one massive gamble. Curbs warned that we might be heading towards it on Charlton TV.
I think the issue is you can't just spend £5m without it having to be balanced a bit somewhere somehow. Whether that's through player sales, increased pricing on tickets, more commercial deals and sponsorships, or through adding it on as debt or writing it off as equity, it has to go somewhere. So maybe selling May for more than a million helps to balance the books in that way.
Clubs can't just say "fuck it let's spend spend spend and to hell with the rules"
I believe FFP is not applicable in Leagues 1 and 2.
Trust in Jones, he has more experience in football than everyone on this forum put together.
But he has also failed as professional football manager at least twice more than the sum total of all the people on the forum. Every argument has an equal and opposite 😀. 25% win/12.5% loss/62.5% draw record with CAFC. We’ll need our best players available, better players brought in and a much higher %age win return next year. I’ll wait and see re trust and judgement but wish only the best for our club.
There's a separate Alfie May thread ..why don't you all take your Alfie squabbles there ffs.
There's a rumour he may be sold, don't believe this myself, but it's a rumour none the less, agree it is getting very repetitive in it's content, but that's the nature of the beast...🤷♂️
Well it’s not just a rumour. There’s been a bid made which has been rejected and a subsequent bid if some rumours are to be believed
Ok, so a bid has been rejected, and there may be another bid, which by your own admission is just a rumour, but it all started as a rumour iirc... didn't it... I still don't think he will be sold and it will all be a waste of time all round...
The club via the fans who they "feed" have been briefing against the importance of May since the spring. It was quite clear the club were open to selling May if they got a good offer. This was compounded by Jones leaving May out of the team and regularly subbing him. If you thought it just a rumour you've not picked up on all the signs for 3 months. It is rumoured that Huddersfield have now offered £1.2M.
Charlton have said that they are not realistically looking to sell May ..
How does a club unrealistically look to sell someone?
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
Jones came in an a surfboard of promises and assurances, if he then finds out that to get those achieved he’s lost his captain on a free and has to sell his 20+ goal player of the year, he really has got a rapid lesson in the Charlton end of the stick. If I was Jones I’d be giving Luton another call.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
Jones came in an a surfboard of promises and assurances, if he then finds out that to get those achieved he’s lost his captain on a free and has to sell his 20+ goal player of the year, he really has got a rapid lesson in the Charlton end of the stick. If I was Jones I’d be giving Luton another call.
Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
100% this, and at the end of the day we are Charlton Athletic not Alfie May
Trust in Jones, he has more experience in football than everyone on this forum put together.
Hmm… the man who led us to some of the most shit league one draws in our history last season. … Delusional Jury 100% out….. Jones starts from scratch this season. Is he Curbs / Powell or Freye/ Appleton… is to be decided.
Let’s face it, the squad hasn’t been good enough for last 3 seasons, and they included fan favourites, like it or not, they are haven’t been good enough for promotion, that is either ability or mentality or both! My comments not everyone will agree, but that is a fact. Personally I am excited by that changes behind the scenes, the attitude of jones, and the fact the clubs attitude is no one is bigger than the club.
negative people will always find holes they are not happy with.. this will be a good season, and will be a busy couple of weeks!
We all HOPE next season will be a good season but none of us know.
Im a big fan of NJ and think in him we potentially have a very good fit for our club. I'm cautiously optimistic about next season, with or without May.
But that doesn't mean your two statements aren't contradictory, because clearly they are.
Either players CAN be improved and their performance and that of the team improved or they are to be judged only on the teams finishing position.
No amount of positivity from fans changes that.
Positivity does have a huge impact on the way the team plays.. yes they need to give the crowd a lift, but negative atmosphere certainly impacts performance and players!
Don’t see how they are contradictory, facts are, the players haven’t been good enough, so doesn’t both me if they go, and the ones that stay, need to do better!
Season not even started and already telling those who go on how they should support
That’s the attitude.. go to games, sit on your hands and moan all afternoon!!
Shockingly poor response.
You really need to apologise for that.
You constantly repeat the party line that is feed to you, regardless of whether it contradicts what you said before, and when challenged slag off other fans and moan about pessimism hurting players. At games I'd agree but not on here in June!!
Imagine telling someone to apologise for having an opinion on a forum. Everyone is quick to ask him for rumours. Think everyone needs thicker skin
It is such a weak, and lazy argument to point fingers at the likes of May, Dobson and CBT as a reason why we have been finishing so poorly. It is quite literally every other Charlton player except those 3 (with the exception of Kanu & Small).
We needed to keep them, and sign better players to help them, like Luke Berry and Alex Mitchell. Not let them go and start over again.
We would be playing league2 football next season if it wasn't for those 3, but people will use them in a negative light to push their agenda.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then Ill save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then Ill save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
The alternative take on May that I’ve not seen is Jones thinks the squad needs a significant amount of change, Charlie Boy and co agree but the budget to do that just isn’t there.
So an injection to fund it is needed, Leaburn isn’t in the position to be sold for max value yet, so May is the most likely and easiest to attract interest. He’s not made great money in his career so if new improved contract offers are coming his way he’s making hay while the sun shines.
Regardless of that, I also don’t think Jones sees May as being vital. This could be one to suit all parties but the fans.
I don’t get this Bart…..aren’t we supposed to have investors who are prepared to make extra funding to cover squad additions? Was this not discussed with them when they joined the project….surely it was? So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself? We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
100% this, and at the end of the day we are Charlton Athletic not Alfie May
We are not Nathan Jones either…….
He is the manager of the club.. he makes the decision.. That’s what managers do..
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then I’ll save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
No need to denigrate one of our own to make your point. TC could well turn out to have a career that far eclipses anything Alfie will achieve.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then I’ll save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
No need to denigrate one of our own to make your point. TC could well turn out to have a career that far eclipses anything Alfie will achieve.
We have far better and more consistent young players you can level thar at.
Alfie May gives nothing but 100% every time he steps over the white line and without him last year we'd have been in very desperate trouble - based on the evidence our own eyes showed us all.
We have reached the usual point in the forum where some people will have blind faith in what appears to be happening and some refuse to consider the reasons behind what is going on.
There are many more instances in football history of a side selling their top goalscorer one season and doing worse the next, than going on to great things.
Gary Lineker - Everton to Barcelona is one - but Everton just missed out on the title the year before and hadn't lost their other two best players just before selling him.
I genuinely don't know how any fan can think that by losing CBT, Dobson and May (if he goes) can be a good idea for any side dreaming of promotion in the coming season.
Now CBT wanted out. Dobson, (so we are told) didn't and Nathan Jones was quite vocal in saying he wanted to keep him.
I'd prefer to keep Alfie, Kanu, Casey, MBick, Leaburn and Aneke as my striking options - adding one to it and rotating the young and unfit at times and focus on the midfield, goalkeeper and centre half options as they were our problems last year.
10 more clean sheets minimum to what we achieved would be worth 15-20 points.
May in my opinion isn't the problem and the way in which he looks genuinely happy and privileged to be a professional footballer playing for Charlton could (and should) be exactly the type of player TC and all our other young pros should be learning from.
Never give up. Keep on improving. You can become the best of your kind, even in your late 20s / early 30s. His experience could be vital to the development of our own young players and his team mates this season.
We need not just talent, but determination and some old heads. Berry is one. An older goalkeeper could be another but I feel the side will miss more than just Alfie's goals - if he goes.
Ive just cancelled Charlton Tv after paying for a full season since its inception and the previous incarnation. They ask a reason and my reply was " The regime let our best player go in Dobbo, they let CBT go and now the rumours of Alfie being sold, so Im out"
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then Ill save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
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For me the biggest concern when selling May to Huddersfield is how much it strengthens a direct promotion rival. If he goes there and stays fit, he will be getting in the region of 20+ goals. No doubt.
If he has to go, I would 100% prefer he joins a championship team - even if that means Millwall for a lower fee.
If we are selling to Huddersfield then it feels like a false economy. Better off keeping him as mildly pissed off impact sub if he is not a key man in NJ's plans.
Not shit football he ain't
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So with the Alfie to be sold rumours I have learnt we don't need goal scoring strikers as we can share goals around the team.
Just like I learnt we don't need tackling midfielders when we found out Dobson was going as better midfielders never tackle.
It was even mentioned we didn't need defenders that tackle as we just get ones that intercept instead.
I think some posters watch a lot of PL footy on the TV but not much L1 footy in reality.
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Even if Argyle are at least 2 seasons ahead of us getting promoted 🙂
Just saying... but so does Appleton...
As Ive already said, Im not going to blindly believe that Jones is our Messiah until he achieves something. Alfies 23 kept us up and was probably the only real highlight of our season.
Jones renews Campbell's contract whilst insiders reputedly say he doesnt rate Alfie. Alfie's effort and energy is something Campbell can only dream about. Sorry but I think Jones thinking is bonkers.
So until such time as I see something that makes sense (not Jones's ex favourites) then Ill save my money and sleep soundly rather than getting up at 2am to watch.
So why are we talking about selling our best players in order to have the funds required. The investors MUST realise that they will be called upon at some stage to come up with some serious wonga to implement this undertaking isn’t now the time to do so…….. if not why not I ask myself?
We have been a selling club for countless decades (since the unambitious and stagnant Michael Glikstein days in fact), I had hoped that it would no longer be the case. 🤔
Alfie May gives nothing but 100% every time he steps over the white line and without him last year we'd have been in very desperate trouble - based on the evidence our own eyes showed us all.
We have reached the usual point in the forum where some people will have blind faith in what appears to be happening and some refuse to consider the reasons behind what is going on.
There are many more instances in football history of a side selling their top goalscorer one season and doing worse the next, than going on to great things.
Gary Lineker - Everton to Barcelona is one - but Everton just missed out on the title the year before and hadn't lost their other two best players just before selling him.
I genuinely don't know how any fan can think that by losing CBT, Dobson and May (if he goes) can be a good idea for any side dreaming of promotion in the coming season.
Now CBT wanted out. Dobson, (so we are told) didn't and Nathan Jones was quite vocal in saying he wanted to keep him.
I'd prefer to keep Alfie, Kanu, Casey, MBick, Leaburn and Aneke as my striking options - adding one to it and rotating the young and unfit at times and focus on the midfield, goalkeeper and centre half options as they were our problems last year.
10 more clean sheets minimum to what we achieved would be worth 15-20 points.
May in my opinion isn't the problem and the way in which he looks genuinely happy and privileged to be a professional footballer playing for Charlton could (and should) be exactly the type of player TC and all our other young pros should be learning from.
Never give up. Keep on improving. You can become the best of your kind, even in your late 20s / early 30s. His experience could be vital to the development of our own young players and his team mates this season.
We need not just talent, but determination and some old heads. Berry is one. An older goalkeeper could be another but I feel the side will miss more than just Alfie's goals - if he goes.