Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : I really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
100% this, and at the end of the day we are Charlton Athletic not Alfie May
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
Can't believe I am about to agree with RM.
Often when a team has a player who scores a large portion of their goals they end up becoming predictable and easier to defend against, we saw it for periods of last season where May was marked out of the game and we suddenly had no threat at all.
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
I guess you mean 3 players scoring 10 goals each. 3 players scoring 10 goals would be 20 goals worse.
Theres two camps of supporters on the AM situation.
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system - If AM wants to move - If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable - If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
I beg to differ C.E.L...there is a third camp
Those (me incl) that think this is all a pile of cack and he ain't gonna leave anyway, so what's with all this meltdown stuff...🙄
I agree that we need more goals across a range of players, but that doesn't mean you have to get rid of May. Last season I lost count of the number of times I wanted an advanced player to give it a go, rather than there being one more pass. That doesn't mean I am in any way against lovely bewildering passing football, but I am less keen on fannying about. May did his bit last season, but not enough of the other players did theirs, I hope next season more players will be braver in attempting to score. Maybe they fear the shame of missing more than they want the glory of scoring. I don't think last season our style demanded everything goes through Alfie.
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : I really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
What we need are goals spread out amongst the entire team a lot more - Ridiculous how our second top scorer didn't get into double figures last season, if my memory serves me right.
This.
In the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying that Alfie is the one & only striker/forward and without him we'd be sunk. The problem is last season once CBT left it was really only Alfie that was scoring. Just look at our goal scoring chart. Until we sign 3 or 4 players that can score 6-8 goals each then we are still stuck where we were. We also have to sort out our set plays and/or bring in a dead ball specialist. Hardly any goals from corners (2?) and when was it we last scored direct from a free kick ?
I am/was hoping this would be the main area we'd be concentrating on this summer. Midfielders who can score (like Bowyer) and players who can score from free kicks. Without addressing those we wont be going anywhere next season.
Let’s face it, the squad hasn’t been good enough for last 3 seasons, and they included fan favourites, like it or not, they are haven’t been good enough for promotion, that is either ability or mentality or both! My comments not everyone will agree, but that is a fact. Personally I am excited by that changes behind the scenes, the attitude of jones, and the fact the clubs attitude is no one is bigger than the club.
negative people will always find holes they are not happy with.. this will be a good season, and will be a busy couple of weeks!
We all HOPE next season will be a good season but none of us know.
Im a big fan of NJ and think in him we potentially have a very good fit for our club. I'm cautiously optimistic about next season, with or without May.
But that doesn't mean your two statements aren't contradictory, because clearly they are.
Either players CAN be improved and their performance and that of the team improved or they are to be judged only on the teams finishing position.
No amount of positivity from fans changes that.
Positivity does have a huge impact on the way the team plays.. yes they need to give the crowd a lift, but negative atmosphere certainly impacts performance and players!
Don’t see how they are contradictory, facts are, the players haven’t been good enough, so doesn’t both me if they go, and the ones that stay, need to do better!
Season not even started and already telling those who go on how they should support
That’s the attitude.. go to games, sit on your hands and moan all afternoon!!
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
Well said Ronnie.
Only problem is that last season we didnt have anyone apart from Alfie scoring 10 goals.
So, I humbly suggest that until we sign players who can get more than 10 I'd rather stick with tmthe player who in the last 3 seasons has got 20 !
If Alfie May goes and we’re not winning our first home game by 4 or more goals at HT, then I think we should chuck 3000 Alfie May beach balls on the pitch in the second half.
An Alfie May beach ball is an almost exact replica of the real thing, only a bit bigger.
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : I really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
What we need are goals spread out amongst the entire team a lot more - Ridiculous how our second top scorer didn't get into double figures last season, if my memory serves me right.
This.
In the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying that Alfie is the one & only striker/forward and without him we'd be sunk. The problem is last season once CBT left it was really only Alfie that was scoring. Just look at our goal scoring chart. Until we sign 3 or 4 players that can score 6-8 goals each then we are still stuck where we were. We also have to sort out our set plays and/or bring in a dead ball specialist. Hardly any goals from corners (2?) and when was it we last scored direct from a free kick ?
I am/was hoping this would be the main area we'd be concentrating on this summer. Midfielders who can score (like Bowyer) and players who can score from free kicks. Without addressing those we wont be going anywhere next season.
This is a genuinely good point to be fair, set pieces were pretty poor (at both ends) were a major weakness last season. There was some improvement under Jones but this basically just meant going from "completely shit" to only being "quite bad."
Regardless of May's eventual destination we'd need a lot more muscle and threat in both boxes. Mitchell sounds like he might tick that box, we're clearly in the market for a big unit up front too, but unless we get someone who can ping a dead ball it will only avail us so far.
Might be that Berry is that guy but I don't think he's particularly renowned for free kicks, unless I've just missed it.
If we do sell May it will be a copy of what happened when that idiot Duchatelet came in and sold Yann. The new management then said - well how good can he be ? - the team is nearly bottom of the Championship and we can get better replacements in - eg Polish Pete, Vetokele, Tucadean. None of them proved to be anywhere near Yann’s level and those of us who had watched all his games knew that. It’s one of those ideas where there is always something or someone better around the corner. May is a proven goal scorer ( twice over !) at League 1 level. Charlton would be stupid to sell him.
Except that one wasn’t sanctioned by the manager. And also this ‘new management’ were the ones that brought him in.
No one knows if he’ll go and no one knows how it will pan out, but with all his goals last season, we came 16th and finished in our worst ever league position. We must improve the squad and if selling May is the only way we can do that then so be it. I’ll be gutted to lose him, but Jones knows what he wants and I have far more faith in him then anyone else who have been running this club for the past 8-10 years.
Why is selling him the only way we can improve the squad?! Thought we were "really backing" the manager in the window and our owners are (multiple) billionaires.
I don't think selling him improves our squad. He wasn't the reason we finished 16th but we must certainly would have finished below that position without him!
How about waiting and see where we are at once the window has closed and see if we are in a stronger position.. if you ask my opinion, we will see a different Charlton this year, and the players left from last season, will be sharper, fitter and stronger
Just a reminder Dubai that you were happy with our transfer business when the window closed last summer.
When I brought that up later in the season, you said "Why wouldn't I have been happy, we signed the league's best goalscorer."
I've no doubt the team needs to function as a unit and Jones needs to buy the ingredients if we want him to make the dinner, but whether we're going to be successful or not, Alfie May is a great player and character and many people will be gutted to see him go.
We need to be integrating/buying strikers who can score 15+ goals in the Championship. Alfie May isn't one who can.
I wouldn’t worry too much about the championship- we need to get promotion first and foremost.
Ideally we would keep hold of May, as he is will guarantee goals. But, if he doesn’t fit in with what Jones wants to do, then so be it. Cleary Jones could well end up with egg on his face…..IF May does go and we come up short at the end of the season.
Peterborough had a 20-30 goal striker at their club and barely started him last season.
They scored more goals as a team (89) last season than they did in either of the two previous seasons at this level where they relied on him for over 36% of their goals (31 of 83 & 26 of 75).
Football is a simple game in most ways but that doesn’t mean it’s as simple as taking out one player’s goal contributions and you can predict how a team will perform without them.
BEFORE ANYONE JUMPS ON THIS TO SAY I’M BLAMING ALFIE FOR THE TEAM UNDERPERFORMING : really am not, I’m trying to show that there is life in a football team with or without your previously profilic forward.
Brilliant post. Spot on
It’s always better to have 3 players scoring 10 goals than 1 man scoring 30 … if you rely on one man injury, suspension can ruin your season
Not if the other two score 9 each
Grammatically not possible. 3 players scoring 10 goals is 3 people scoring an aggregate of 10 goals. It’s 3 players scoring 30 goals or 3 players scoring 10 goals EACH. I’ll get my coat.
Some people are rather dramatic aren't they... Not the first I've seen either.
I've said I'm done if he goes.....and will only return once Nathan Jones leaves.
Are you still sticking to this?
yes sir-ee. I'll obviously still follow the club, post on here & maybe even go to a couple of away games (for my son's sake) but I can't get my head around selling the Leagues top goal scorer when last season he was about the only player who knew where the goal was. Take away his and CBT's goals (who has also left the club & yet to be replaced) and where would we be.
If Alfie May goes and we’re not winning our first home game by 4 or more goals at HT, then I think we should chuck 3000 Alfie May beach balls on the pitch in the second half.
An Alfie May beach ball is an almost exact replica of the real thing, only a bit bigger.
They're ready to go. I'll put in the order as soon as he's sold!
Let’s face it, the squad hasn’t been good enough for last 3 seasons, and they included fan favourites, like it or not, they are haven’t been good enough for promotion, that is either ability or mentality or both! My comments not everyone will agree, but that is a fact. Personally I am excited by that changes behind the scenes, the attitude of jones, and the fact the clubs attitude is no one is bigger than the club.
negative people will always find holes they are not happy with.. this will be a good season, and will be a busy couple of weeks!
We all HOPE next season will be a good season but none of us know.
Im a big fan of NJ and think in him we potentially have a very good fit for our club. I'm cautiously optimistic about next season, with or without May.
But that doesn't mean your two statements aren't contradictory, because clearly they are.
Either players CAN be improved and their performance and that of the team improved or they are to be judged only on the teams finishing position.
No amount of positivity from fans changes that.
Positivity does have a huge impact on the way the team plays.. yes they need to give the crowd a lift, but negative atmosphere certainly impacts performance and players!
Don’t see how they are contradictory, facts are, the players haven’t been good enough, so doesn’t both me if they go, and the ones that stay, need to do better!
Season not even started and already telling those who go on how they should support
That’s the attitude.. go to games, sit on your hands and moan all afternoon!!
If we do sell May it will be a copy of what happened when that idiot Duchatelet came in and sold Yann. The new management then said - well how good can he be ? - the team is nearly bottom of the Championship and we can get better replacements in - eg Polish Pete, Vetokele, Tucadean. None of them proved to be anywhere near Yann’s level and those of us who had watched all his games knew that. It’s one of those ideas where there is always something or someone better around the corner. May is a proven goal scorer ( twice over !) at League 1 level. Charlton would be stupid to sell him.
Except that one wasn’t sanctioned by the manager. And also this ‘new management’ were the ones that brought him in.
No one knows if he’ll go and no one knows how it will pan out, but with all his goals last season, we came 16th and finished in our worst ever league position. We must improve the squad and if selling May is the only way we can do that then so be it. I’ll be gutted to lose him, but Jones knows what he wants and I have far more faith in him then anyone else who have been running this club for the past 8-10 years.
Why is selling him the only way we can improve the squad?! Thought we were "really backing" the manager in the window and our owners are (multiple) billionaires.
I don't think selling him improves our squad. He wasn't the reason we finished 16th but we must certainly would have finished below that position without him!
How about waiting and see where we are at once the window has closed and see if we are in a stronger position.. if you ask my opinion, we will see a different Charlton this year, and the players left from last season, will be sharper, fitter and stronger
Just a reminder Dubai that you were happy with our transfer business when the window closed last summer.
When I brought that up later in the season, you said "Why wouldn't I have been happy, we signed the league's best goalscorer."
I've no doubt the team needs to function as a unit and Jones needs to buy the ingredients if we want him to make the dinner, but whether we're going to be successful or not, Alfie May is a great player and character and many people will be gutted to see him go.
Yes, and on paper lot of signings looked good. But you can say that about a lot of our signings over the last few seasons, which have proved to be tough to get off our books!
I think every single Charlton fan will be gutted to see May go, but as I have said Jones can’t guarantee he will be the first name on the sheet, May doesn’t like it, a club is willing to offer decent money, for a player that isn’t getting any younger, and if we get promoted next year, he would likely be surpluses to requirements.
The two forwards the looking to bring have been mentioned on here, they are at a good age, and will improve under Jones, if we get them both, they will cost us more than May’s fee.
Let’s face it, the squad hasn’t been good enough for last 3 seasons, and they included fan favourites, like it or not, they are haven’t been good enough for promotion, that is either ability or mentality or both! My comments not everyone will agree, but that is a fact. Personally I am excited by that changes behind the scenes, the attitude of jones, and the fact the clubs attitude is no one is bigger than the club.
negative people will always find holes they are not happy with.. this will be a good season, and will be a busy couple of weeks!
We all HOPE next season will be a good season but none of us know.
Im a big fan of NJ and think in him we potentially have a very good fit for our club. I'm cautiously optimistic about next season, with or without May.
But that doesn't mean your two statements aren't contradictory, because clearly they are.
Either players CAN be improved and their performance and that of the team improved or they are to be judged only on the teams finishing position.
No amount of positivity from fans changes that.
Positivity does have a huge impact on the way the team plays.. yes they need to give the crowd a lift, but negative atmosphere certainly impacts performance and players!
Don’t see how they are contradictory, facts are, the players haven’t been good enough, so doesn’t both me if they go, and the ones that stay, need to do better!
Season not even started and already telling those who go on how they should support
That’s the attitude.. go to games, sit on your hands and moan all afternoon!!
Shockingly poor response.
You really need to apologise for that.
You constantly repeat the party line that is feed to you, regardless of whether it contradicts what you said before, and when challenged slag off other fans and moan about pessimism hurting players. At games I'd agree but not on here in June!!
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Alfie May enthusiasts, let's get him
Those who do not want May to leave and cannot fathom any way that its okay.
Those who do not want May to leave but understand there may be circumstances in which its for the best or at least palatable.
- If AM doesn't fit into NJ's plans for the team system
- If AM wants to move
- If Huddersfield or A.N Other offer us a figure we deem acceptable
- If we use the money to improve the squad as a whole
Often when a team has a player who scores a large portion of their goals they end up becoming predictable and easier to defend against, we saw it for periods of last season where May was marked out of the game and we suddenly had no threat at all.
Those (me incl) that think this is all a pile of cack and he ain't gonna leave anyway, so what's with all this meltdown stuff...🙄
Last season I lost count of the number of times I wanted an advanced player to give it a go, rather than there being one more pass. That doesn't mean I am in any way against lovely bewildering passing football, but I am less keen on fannying about.
May did his bit last season, but not enough of the other players did theirs, I hope next season more players will be braver in attempting to score.
Maybe they fear the shame of missing more than they want the glory of scoring.
I don't think last season our style demanded everything goes through Alfie.
May is a 20 goal a season and the manager should be tactically competent to deal with making tweeks to accommodate a goal scorer.
although I agree that £1m plus would be good business, better business would be getting out of this league.
that said, I trust jones to get it right and I’m not going all out golfie mode if we sell him.
In the avoidance of doubt I'm not saying that Alfie is the one & only striker/forward and without him we'd be sunk. The problem is last season once CBT left it was really only Alfie that was scoring. Just look at our goal scoring chart. Until we sign 3 or 4 players that can score 6-8 goals each then we are still stuck where we were. We also have to sort out our set plays and/or bring in a dead ball specialist. Hardly any goals from corners (2?) and when was it we last scored direct from a free kick ?
I am/was hoping this would be the main area we'd be concentrating on this summer. Midfielders who can score (like Bowyer) and players who can score from free kicks. Without addressing those we wont be going anywhere next season.
@DubaiCAFC
Thats abit out of order with this guy.
He has been going for decades and is very knowledgeable on all things Charlton.
Don’t mean to offend anyone. Sorry
Only problem is that last season we didnt have anyone apart from Alfie scoring 10 goals.
So, I humbly suggest that until we sign players who can get more than 10 I'd rather stick with tmthe player who in the last 3 seasons has got 20 !
Regardless of May's eventual destination we'd need a lot more muscle and threat in both boxes. Mitchell sounds like he might tick that box, we're clearly in the market for a big unit up front too, but unless we get someone who can ping a dead ball it will only avail us so far.
Might be that Berry is that guy but I don't think he's particularly renowned for free kicks, unless I've just missed it.
When I brought that up later in the season, you said "Why wouldn't I have been happy, we signed the league's best goalscorer."
I've no doubt the team needs to function as a unit and Jones needs to buy the ingredients if we want him to make the dinner, but whether we're going to be successful or not, Alfie May is a great player and character and many people will be gutted to see him go.
(we love you really golfie please don't leave)
I think every single Charlton fan will be gutted to see May go, but as I have said Jones can’t guarantee he will be the first name on the sheet, May doesn’t like it, a club is willing to offer decent money, for a player that isn’t getting any younger, and if we get promoted next year, he would likely be surpluses to requirements.
You really need to apologise for that.
You constantly repeat the party line that is feed to you, regardless of whether it contradicts what you said before, and when challenged slag off other fans and moan about pessimism hurting players. At games I'd agree but not on here in June!!