Shrewsbury have scored 30% of their away goals, and 26% of their total goals against Reading this season - They may be four points ahead of us now, but on that basis, no reason not to drag them back towards us
Personally, I can’t see how anybody can look at that league table and think anything other than we are in deep shit.
Until we prove we can win multiple games, never mind just one, it looks grim.
The only table that matters is the one that has 46 games played.
We will win games playing the way we have the last two Saturdays.
You need to have a day off, dear me.
16 games without a win. Jones(although not without blame) 4 games without a win. 6 games without a win after Appleton.
The rose tinted brigade give my a*** a headache.
Things are desperate, another game today nearer relegation.
I don’t think my opinion is the minority one. If you think I’m being rose tinted I’ve got nothing to really say.
If you try hard enough you might find something positive to say about the last two games of football we’ve played.
Simple question. Based on what we have seen over the last few games, when are we next going to win, and why?
No gut feel. Data and facts.
Bolton have the 2nd best home record in the league, they couldn’t beat us.
Portsmouth have the best away record in the league, they couldn’t beat us.
After Derby we have:
Northampton are 10th in the home table, Cheltenham are 20th in the home table, Carlisle are 24th in the away table and Fleetwood are 24th in the home table. Wigan are 10th in the away table, Exeter are 21st in the home table.
I back us to win three of those six games, if we play at the level that’s got us two draws against Pompey and Bolton.
Ironically Callum its those teams (Northampton - Cheltenham - Fleetwood - Exeter) that I actually worry about a little bit more... Its popular to use the League Table as evidence as to why we wont get results.
Hence why we got written off before Bolton / Portsmouth / Derby, with those same individuals now scrambling to adjust their narratives.
However those teams we've got coming up, are teams who wont attack us as willingly as the top three, they'll be just as scared of us (if not more so, given the individuals that we have) as we are of them... Their Players / Managers will no doubt come out in the media saying: "How are Charlton in this predicament with the talent they have available"
As a result of them being just as scared, is what'll make getting three points harder - Lincoln at the Valley for example - Teams will sit back, flood their box, and invite the pressure... Our record facing that type of setup since returning to League One hasn't been the best, and is something very few seem to be acknowledging.
Of course Jones has got us playing differently to the last few months, so it could be a completely different situation to what we've seen in the past... But those saying these'll be must win games, must also remember that those teams, equally deserve their own respect.
Hence why its another good reason we could be going into these games, four games undefeated (if we avoid a loss at Pride Park), as we'll want every ounce of confidence possible.
Ironically Callum its those teams (Northampton - Cheltenham - Fleetwood - Exeter) that I actually worry about a little bit more... Its popular to use the League Table as evidence as to why we wont get results.
Hence why we got written off before Bolton / Portsmouth / Derby, with those same individuals now scrambling to adjust their narratives.
However those teams we've got coming up, are teams who wont attack us as willingly as the top three, they'll be just as scared of us (if not more so, given the individuals that we have) as we are of them... Their Players / Managers will no doubt come out in the media saying: "How are Charlton in this predicament with the talent they have available"
As a result of them being just as scared, is what'll make getting three points harder - Lincoln at the Valley for example - Teams will sit back, flood their box, and invite the pressure... Our record facing that type of setup since returning to League One hasn't been the best, and is something very few seem to be acknowledging.
Of course Jones has got us playing differently to the last few months, so it could be a completely different situation to what we've seen in the past... But those saying these'll be must win games, must also remember that those teams, equally deserve their own respect.
Hence why it’s another good reason we could be going into these games, four games undefeated (if we avoid a loss at Pride Park), as we'll want every ounce of confidence possible.
I take your point and I’m not saying we’ll win every game of the six. We still have our own weaknesses that will undo us every so often.
Lincoln had a very specific game plan once Chuks arrived and they just about survived the onslaught. It happens sometimes. Not every game is going to pan out that way.
Your turn @DamoNorthStand , let’s hear how a club legend would’ve got a win in his first four games. No gut feel, data and facts.
The data and facts for the last 4 games is we didn’t hire a club legend and didn’t win a single one of four must win games.
That’s not gut feel or guesswork.
It happened. That’s it.
Now it so happens I can see more of a glimmer than 2 games ago. Definitely something about us. I’m happy to admit that. But nowhere near enough.
But to date, outside of looking a bit more solid than I expected, it’s gone exactly as I predicted. Disappointed with the energy and bounce around the stadium. And around the club. Hasn’t got the feel of precious great escape seasons.
Now there are 12 games to go instead of 16.
25pc of our games under NJ have gone. And we haven’t won one of them. Thats not a great data point!
The midfield is worrying....where is the creativity? someone who can play a killer pass or beat one or two players with a dribble....yes Dobbo and Anderson are workhorses but we need a bit of quality......
Personally, I can’t see how anybody can look at that league table and think anything other than we are in deep shit.
Until we prove we can win multiple games, never mind just one, it looks grim.
Personally I am with you on this. But nobody wants to live in the real world.
We need to win big time Carlisle we can win , but I feel defeat at Cheltenham and Northampton. Then the season will be over before March is halfway through.
Personally, I can’t see how anybody can look at that league table and think anything other than we are in deep shit.
Until we prove we can win multiple games, never mind just one, it looks grim.
The only table that matters is the one that has 46 games played.
We will win games playing the way we have the last two Saturdays.
You need to have a day off, dear me.
16 games without a win. Jones(although not without blame) 4 games without a win. 6 games without a win after Appleton.
The rose tinted brigade give my a*** a headache.
Things are desperate, another game today nearer relegation.
I hate posts like this. Why be rude to someone for having a different view?
what has Callum said that's wrong? There will be more twists and turns over the next 13 games, so yes, the only table that matters is after 46 games. Our last relegation where we were only in the relegation for one game week up until the last game shows that.
people aren't being rose tinted, they are being positive. I'm guessing the manager and coaching staff are also being positive, to prevent players heads dropping like they clearly did under Appleton.
I also agree with Callum that we will win games playing like we have done the last two Saturdays. Can we keep this up for 13 games, time will tell. It's not certain that we will stay up, or go down. We are in trouble but a couple of wins will change that and they will come under jones. 2 points from 2 games where we all expected 0 is a good return, plus a clean sheet for the first time in half a season. Today was another unexpected point and another point closer to the magic 50 mark.
we were in free fall under Appleton and couldn't beat cray valley!!! Jones was never going to come on and automatically turn us into Brazil but we are improving. I hope it's not to late but we are not going rolled over week in week out at the moment.
fair play to Callum for keeping positive and I hope you right. Let's move onto Tuesday and hope we continue to fight and be hard to beat!
I’m still bemused by the idea that someone who hasn’t been a number 1 since pre Covid and failed in League 2 with Southend was going to be the answer
Is that the Southend on the complete slide to hell
show some respect to SCP
the fella who produced a 100+ points and a ninth place with no budget championship finish for OUR club
One point which admittedly is of no relevance to this thread is the Championship season is often overlooked - I actually think that was even more impressive than the title season. If we had half the backing we expected I have no doubt he would have got us back to the prem.
The midfield is worrying....where is the creativity? someone who can play a killer pass or beat one or two players with a dribble....yes Dobbo and Anderson are workhorses but we need a bit of quality......
Camara is meant to be that player isn't he? Hopefully will be able to start soon and we'll see.
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16 games without a win. Jones(although not without blame) 4 games without a win. 6 games without a win after Appleton.
The rose tinted brigade give my a*** a headache.
Things are desperate, another game today nearer relegation.
If we win one or two of those games I'll feel comfortable that the easier run-in will see us safe.
Again, if we only draw or end up losing 1, I struggle to see where the magical run comes from.
Shrewsbury have scored 30% of their away goals, and 26% of their total goals against Reading this season - They may be four points ahead of us now, but on that basis, no reason not to drag them back towards us
No gut feel. Data and facts.
Portsmouth have the best away record in the league, they couldn’t beat us.
After Derby we have:
Northampton are 10th in the home table, Cheltenham are 20th in the home table, Carlisle are 24th in the away table and Fleetwood are 24th in the home table. Wigan are 10th in the away table, Exeter are 21st in the home table.
I back us to win three of those six games, if we play at the level that’s got us two draws against Pompey and Bolton.
Based on better performances over the last 2 games …. I think we win at Northampton.
For example.
Hence why we got written off before Bolton / Portsmouth / Derby, with those same individuals now scrambling to adjust their narratives.
However those teams we've got coming up, are teams who wont attack us as willingly as the top three, they'll be just as scared of us (if not more so, given the individuals that we have) as we are of them... Their Players / Managers will no doubt come out in the media saying: "How are Charlton in this predicament with the talent they have available"
As a result of them being just as scared, is what'll make getting three points harder - Lincoln at the Valley for example - Teams will sit back, flood their box, and invite the pressure... Our record facing that type of setup since returning to League One hasn't been the best, and is something very few seem to be acknowledging.
Of course Jones has got us playing differently to the last few months, so it could be a completely different situation to what we've seen in the past... But those saying these'll be must win games, must also remember that those teams, equally deserve their own respect.
Hence why its another good reason we could be going into these games, four games undefeated (if we avoid a loss at Pride Park), as we'll want every ounce of confidence possible.
Lincoln had a very specific game plan once Chuks arrived and they just about survived the onslaught. It happens sometimes. Not every game is going to pan out that way.
That’s not gut feel or guesswork.
It happened. That’s it.
But to date, outside of looking a bit more solid than I expected, it’s gone exactly as I predicted. Disappointed with the energy and bounce around the stadium. And around the club. Hasn’t got the feel of precious great escape seasons.
25pc of our games under NJ have gone. And we haven’t won one of them. Thats not a great data point!
But we do know 100pc that our new manager bounce has so far yielded 3 points from 12.
That’s the only thing we do know for sure.
But nobody wants to live in the real world.
but I feel defeat at Cheltenham and Northampton. Then the season will be over before March is halfway through.
what has Callum said that's wrong? There will be more twists and turns over the next 13 games, so yes, the only table that matters is after 46 games. Our last relegation where we were only in the relegation for one game week up until the last game shows that.
people aren't being rose tinted, they are being positive. I'm guessing the manager and coaching staff are also being positive, to prevent players heads dropping like they clearly did under Appleton.
we were in free fall under Appleton and couldn't beat cray valley!!! Jones was never going to come on and automatically turn us into Brazil but we are improving. I hope it's not to late but we are not going rolled over week in week out at the moment.
fair play to Callum for keeping positive and I hope you right. Let's move onto Tuesday and hope we continue to fight and be hard to beat!
show some respect to SCP
the fella who produced a 100+ points and a ninth place with no budget championship finish for OUR club