If we’d stuck with Jackson I’m convinced wed be at least top six by now Forget transfers this January, pay Appleton off and get Alex Neil or Rowett in.
Need new ideas - the "been there and done it" of the League One merry-go-round has been an absolute failure since Adkins.
Should have stuck with Jackson, or need to find someone similar... Where are the comments saying that Dave Challinor would be a bad choice given the poor run of form Stockport were on, I could do with a good laugh
Need someone young with fresh ideas and knows what success looks like, let them make mistakes - If it takes a bit longer to get out of League One (the right way) as a result then so be it... It took Curbs how many years to get from Division One to the Premier League as a result?
Never really wanted Appleton, but god we need to pissing well stop with replacing Managers every few months... THAT is one reason why we cant attract anyone better, why would you go somewhere when there is zero assurance you'll last five minutes, compared to the last however many Managers have shown up.
Who on here would seriously accept a Permanent job role somewhere, knowing the role they're going into, has such a turnover (and not at the fault of the person in the role in the first place).
I think the risk with Appleton is/was that he is not a character to win the fans over - in fact, he is not a character full stop. I believe the kids would say he is an NPC.
Almost inevitable that when things go wrong under him - which they would because let's face it he is mediocre at best - the fans would get irate.
In fact in terms of idiotic appointments, it's up there with Roland appointing Fraeye.
I agree, we need someone young & with fresh ideas or a recent player with a lot of goodwill in the bank. The trouble is most of our recent players are by & large rubbish - so there isn't really a Chris Powell-like figure waiting in the wings.
Who was the last player - the fans unanimously loved. Jackson? Kermorgant?
Getting rid of Jackson was one of Sandgaard’s many many mistakes.
Matt Taylor wasn’t interested because he didn’t think he’d survive long enough to turn things around.
Dave Challinor wasn’t interested because he didn’t think he’d survive long enough to turn things around.
I’m sure there’s plenty of others for which the same is true.
No-one that’s any good is going to come to Charlton when the average tenure is less than six months.
As awful as it may turn out to be, the new owners have to stick it out with Appleton for a while. Either he does well enough to turn it around himself, or he stays in post long enough that when he does eventually go, we no longer have a massive merry-go-around reputation and can attract good managers.
If we’d stuck with Jackson I’m convinced wed be at least top six by now Forget transfers this January, pay Appleton off and get Alex Neil or Rowett in.
The moment the owners prove they are willing to spend someone of that calibre will take the job. You pay for quality you get quality. Still think Appleton will see out the season, unless we are dragged into a relegation battle which is very unlikely. The odd win and finishing 12th will probably keep him in a job IMO.
This squad needs a lot of work and this pertiod until the end of the season is important. Look at the decisions Powell made on the back of the first half season he had.
Need new ideas - the "been there and done it" of the League One merry-go-round has been an absolute failure since Adkins.
Should have stuck with Jackson, or need to find someone similar... Where are the comments saying that Dave Challinor would be a bad choice given the poor run of form Stockport were on, I could do with a good laugh
Need someone young with fresh ideas and knows what success looks like, let them make mistakes - If it takes a bit longer to get out of League One (the right way) as a result then so be it... It took Curbs how many years to get from Division One to the Premier League as a result?
Never really wanted Appleton, but god we need to pissing well stop with replacing Managers every few months... THAT is one reason why we cant attract anyone better, why would you go somewhere when there is zero assurance you'll last five minutes, compared to the last however many Managers have shown up.
Who on here would seriously accept a Permanent job role somewhere, knowing the role they're going into, has such a turnover (and not at the fault of the person in the role in the first place).
I think the risk with Appleton is/was that he is not a character to win the fans over - in fact, he is not a character full stop. I believe the kids would say he is an NPC.
Almost inevitable that when things go wrong under him - which they would because let's face it he is mediocre at best - the fans would get irate.
In fact in terms of idiotic appointments, it's up there with Roland appointing Fraeye.
I agree, we need someone young & with fresh ideas or a recent player with a lot of goodwill in the bank. The trouble is most of our recent players are by & large rubbish - so there isn't really a Chris Powell-like figure waiting in the wings.
Who was the last player - the fans unanimously loved. Jackson? Kermorgant?
Paragraph three. Appleton being here is a million miles away from the Fraeye appointment.
Not going to fall on either side of the fence but I think it's interesting to look at our most recent managerial sackings and why they were dismissed. Lets start with Adkins, forced to play a formation because that's what the chairman wanted, then not given the promised players to play that formation. Jackson refused to play the chairman's formation and played to the players he had. Ben Garner, agreed to play the chairman's formation, then not given the promised players to play that formation. Holden, started the season with only Alfie May as the only forward he had, played the kids because recruitment was poor, tried three at the back because both full backs Edun and Watson were not fit, Camara, brought in, not fit, Taylor brought in, not fit. The pattern keeps repeating, the next manager will have exactly the same problems and those problems are created by the owner, not the manager.
Not going to fall on either side of the fence but I think it's interesting to look at our most recent managerial sackings and why they were dismissed. Lets start with Adkins, forced to play a formation because that's what the chairman wanted, then not given the promised players to play that formation. Jackson refused to play the chairman's formation and played to the players he had. Ben Garner, agreed to play the chairman's formation, then not given the promised players to play that formation. Holden, started the season with only Alfie May as the only forward he had, played the kids because recruitment was poor, tried three at the back because both full backs Edun and Watson were not fit, Camara, brought in, not fit, Taylor brought in, not fit. The pattern keeps repeating, the next manager will have exactly the same problems and those problems are created by the owner, not the manager.
So if Scott is actually up to his job he must have a replacement in mind / lined up.
The problem I assume is that binning another manager is outside the budget constraints of this season.
Has CM the ability to go to the investors and say we got it wrong. We need to spend on a manager as well as the squad?
The answer I fear is no.
Scott has bought two managers in. That should be it for him. Personally, I thought the sacking of Holden was wrong but he has shown by brining two in (when Appleton is finally sacked) that he isn't good at his job. Not forgetting about the players he has brought in with the success amongst them being May who Holden had to fight for. When he said judge me by results, did he mean it? I doubt it!
Get a decent manager like Powell in and let him decide the recruitment. We got BWP, Kermogant etc... under him. A long list of players much better than this league! Have some genuine accountability not fake which lets Scott off the hook!
Don't see the benefit in sacking him now. Wouldn't be upset if the owners were sounding out who might be interested but to sack him without having someone to step straight in would be a disaster.
Like others have said, being renown for not giving managers a fair go is how we end up with Appletons.
We have to suck it up for the rest of the season and hope that we drastically improve or that the owners actions over the next 6 months show that this is a club worth managing.
So basically, either Appleton and/or the Owners need to seriously impress between now and the rest of the season. If neither party show their worth between now and the end of the season, we're really in the shit.
He was a joke figure for years on this website. He's delivered everything that status promised. The problems are the same problems we've had for years, and reflective of a club devoid of identity, structure or strategy:
1. Sacking a(nother) manager isn't in the budget, and it will have to be funded by moving money from somewhere else that is. 2. Nobody who is established, who is still on an upward trajectory in their career, has other offers or who doesn't have an emotional pull to the club will want to come here because the club is unstable and now has a solid track record of hiring and firing managers, and not giving them what they want and/or what they are told they will have. 3. We are about to hit another transfer window. The squad is weak and deficient. Are we really going to sign players now for and with the currency of a manger who might be out before the month is out? If we don't, the pull of the club gets even weaker. 4. The players are weak. The board's and management's structure and credentials are unclear and unproven. There is nothing to effectively support or bail out a manager.
Methven, Scott & Co had their free shot at "their" man. They gave us Appleton. Zero confidence their next decision is any better. If he goes, it will either be another journeyman has-been or someone with a club connection.
Or… we can sack Appleton now and appoint the Cowleys who will themselves last less than a year and on it goes.
Duff isn’t going to be interested. Neil won’t be interested, nor will Rowett.
If you pay them enough and give them a budget then they will join. Managers will always back themselves to do well, and we’ve almost become a free hit where if you fail, no one judges you that badly and you get a nice pay off
The new ownership only have themselves to blame for the hire and fire reputation, because they’ve hired 2 average managers and sacked a manager after 5 games.
Holden lost 4 in a row, Appleton is halfway there now and has got better players available than Holden did
I think the risk with Appleton is/was that he is not a character to win the fans over - in fact, he is not a character full stop. I believe the kids would say he is an NPC.
The main worry is we do alter the squad a lot and spend money, only to do the inevitable in February. The new temporary manager, then bemoans the squad and results improve for a short time, only for the "Charlton Cycle" to be repeated year on year.
I think it's pretty clear that Appleton is not the right man for the job. If we allow him to make changes this transfer window and it doesn't work , he will get the bullet early next season. The then new manager may not like the squad Appleton has put together. Far better to make a change now giving the new manager time to assess what needs to be done next summer.
I think it's pretty clear that Appleton is not the right man for the job. If we allow him to make changes this transfer window and it doesn't work , he will get the bullet early next season. The then new manager may not like the squad Appleton has put together. Far better to make a change now giving the new manager time to assess what needs to be done next summer.
100% - problem is if those in football circles think Scott and methven etc are duds as well and we can’t get better - as hard as that would seem - atm there’s no evidence to think they aren’t duds and plenty to think they are - I think we’re back into looking for a new owner territory if this window is shit as well
I don’t get this viewpoint that MA has been hindered by the absence of key players. Don’t good coaches and managers have to deal with that everywhere and at all times throughout the season ? Yes, losing Chuks blew a fucking great hole in the gameplan but the frustration fans have been venting about have been about the basics. If Charlton get a corner it’s like it’s the first time ever it’s happened and nobody seems to have a clue what to do - ffs, at the orient game we witnessed three Charlton players setting up to take one corner. If we get a free kick there is nobody that can have a shot - come on, it’s the simplest thing in the world to curl a football and a bit of practice during the week hones that skill. We’ve got players that drop their heads far too quickly. We have nobody taking charge on the pitch (unless it’s being done telepathically), especially when defending corners and free kicks. We have players standing flat footed waiting for a passed ball to get to them (and the inevitable happens and the ball is intercepted leaving that player out of position when the opposition attacks). We have players that don’t control the ball….the list goes on. These are basics that a coach or manager can sort out, except atm it’s not happening because we see it every fucking match.
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How about Steve Bould? (currently Igor's manager at Lommel).
Forget transfers this January, pay Appleton off and get Alex Neil or Rowett in.
Almost inevitable that when things go wrong under him - which they would because let's face it he is mediocre at best - the fans would get irate.
In fact in terms of idiotic appointments, it's up there with Roland appointing Fraeye.
I agree, we need someone young & with fresh ideas or a recent player with a lot of goodwill in the bank. The trouble is most of our recent players are by & large rubbish - so there isn't really a Chris Powell-like figure waiting in the wings.
Who was the last player - the fans unanimously loved. Jackson? Kermorgant?
Dave Challinor wasn’t interested because he didn’t think he’d survive long enough to turn things around.
I’m sure there’s plenty of others for which the same is true.
No-one that’s any good is going to come to Charlton when the average tenure is less than six months.
As awful as it may turn out to be, the new owners have to stick it out with Appleton for a while. Either he does well enough to turn it around himself, or he stays in post long enough that when he does eventually go, we no longer have a massive merry-go-around reputation and can attract good managers.
Duff isn’t going to be interested. Neil won’t be interested, nor will Rowett.
The answer I fear is no.
Get a decent manager like Powell in and let him decide the recruitment. We got BWP, Kermogant etc... under him. A long list of players much better than this league! Have some genuine accountability not fake which lets Scott off the hook!
Like others have said, being renown for not giving managers a fair go is how we end up with Appletons.
We have to suck it up for the rest of the season and hope that we drastically improve or that the owners actions over the next 6 months show that this is a club worth managing.
So basically, either Appleton and/or the Owners need to seriously impress between now and the rest of the season. If neither party show their worth between now and the end of the season, we're really in the shit.
jones
challinor
eustace
neil
rowett
would be my top picks atm wld take any at this point some may be out of reach but if the owners/SMT show some ambition and money who knows
1. Sacking a(nother) manager isn't in the budget, and it will have to be funded by moving money from somewhere else that is.
2. Nobody who is established, who is still on an upward trajectory in their career, has other offers or who doesn't have an emotional pull to the club will want to come here because the club is unstable and now has a solid track record of hiring and firing managers, and not giving them what they want and/or what they are told they will have.
3. We are about to hit another transfer window. The squad is weak and deficient. Are we really going to sign players now for and with the currency of a manger who might be out before the month is out? If we don't, the pull of the club gets even weaker.
4. The players are weak. The board's and management's structure and credentials are unclear and unproven. There is nothing to effectively support or bail out a manager.
Methven, Scott & Co had their free shot at "their" man. They gave us Appleton. Zero confidence their next decision is any better. If he goes, it will either be another journeyman has-been or someone with a club connection.
Holden lost 4 in a row, Appleton is halfway there now and has got better players available than Holden did
I believe that he was the only realistic option in September and that remains the case now!!
If we allow him to make changes this transfer window and it doesn't work , he will get the bullet early next season.
The then new manager may not like the squad Appleton has put together.
Far better to make a change now giving the new manager time to assess what needs to be done next summer.